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==What is a recast?==
 
==What is a recast?==
A recast is a copy of a doll (or doll part) made from moulds of existing dolls. When done without the express permission of the original artist or company, this is a violation of the original artist's or company's exclusive right to control the reproduction of their own intellectual property. These recasts are a violation of the artist's or company's exclusive rights whether they are made for personal use or for sale.
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A recast is a copy of a doll (or doll part) made from moulds of, or digital scanning of, existing dolls. When done without the express permission of the original artist or company, this is a violation of the original artist's or company's exclusive right to control the reproduction of their own intellectual property. These recasts are a violation of the artist's or company's exclusive rights whether they are made for personal use or for sale.
  
 
===What does it mean to be ___?===
 
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* '''Pro-Artist:''' A stance that is against recasts. Supports the original artist or company by purchasing a doll directly through them, their approved vendors, or through research on the second hand market. Synonym: Anti-recast.
 
* '''Pro-Artist:''' A stance that is against recasts. Supports the original artist or company by purchasing a doll directly through them, their approved vendors, or through research on the second hand market. Synonym: Anti-recast.
  
==What BJD makers say about recasts==
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==How to Spot a Recast==
Click the company name to read their statement.
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Ebay, Facebook, Instagram, and other sites are filled with recasts. Some people label them as recasts, but others do not – they may just not think about it, or they may try to purposefully lie and say that their recast doll is legit.
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<span class="js-collapseNodeTrigger categoryStrip__collapseToggle" title="Toggle Visibility" style="float:none"><h3 style="float:left">Batchix Dolls</h3> <i class="uix_icon js-collapseIcon uix_icon-collapse uix_icon--fixedWidth"></i></span>
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Here are some things that may be an indication of a recast doll. Most recasts, especially newer ones, will not have every one of these traits.
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<li class="node page level_2 node_900"><p>I don't know what to say that hasn't already been said. It's disheartening and it's frustrating and depressing. I've actually backed off on doll making to concentrate on my day job. It takes so much work and time and money to develop and produce a doll. People whine on about how they don't recast artist dolls, but it's evident they do if they get popular enough. To think that if I make a doll that appeals to a larger audience than my current one would open me up to people ripping me off makes the whole process feel completely pointless. I like to share my work with other people and I try to make sure to keep my costs down so I can sell at a reasonable price. It seems pointless to keep creating if I can't share it for fear someone will decide to recast my work.</p>
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<p>I can't imagine how desperate and helpless the artists who have been ripped off must feel. How do you come back from something like that emotionally? How do you come back from something like that financially? Especially knowing how little is left over after the cost of production.</p></li></ol>
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'''Color:''' A doll may be a recast if it is offered in a color that is unavailable from the original company. For example, if the original company only sold dolls in white or normal skin, then blue or purple dolls may be recasts. If a used legit doll has been dyed, this will usually be noted in the description, and there is usually some unevenness to the coloring.
  
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'''Markings:''' Some dolls have stamps or engraving on the inside of the head or headcap, or right/left indications inside arms and legs. Legit dolls' markings are usually deeper and cleaner. Markings inside a recast doll may be missing or look faint.
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'''Connectors:''' Recasts may have resin hooks or metal s-hooks where the legit company usually uses magnetic parts, for example in hands or feet.
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'''Price:''' Recasts are often – but not always – much cheaper than legit dolls.
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<li class="node page level_2 node_900"><p>I'm afraid of being recasted one day, it's always in my mind. So I have to think about protecting my creations all the time. Basically, the recasting for me it's more stress and more expenses >_< </p></li></ol>
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'''Seller:''' Only official dealers have the authority to sell a company's doll as a 'new' item. Research sellers to make sure they are official dealers for the dolls they sell. If you are buying a used doll, ask if the seller has feedback on DoA or another site.
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'''Rarity:''' If a doll has been sold out for years on a company website, be wary about buying from a seller that has ‘new’ dolls in stock or available to order, especially if the price is too good to be true.
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'''Quality:''' Most recent recasts are of average quality. However, the quality of older recast dolls may be noticeably lower than legit dolls, with rough edges, large seams and extra resin in abnormal areas. In a few instances where a legit company was having trouble with quality control, a recast may be better quality than the original, but this is rare.
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<li class="node page level_2 node_900"><p>As a Doll artist, I know that recaster are our worst enemies.</p>
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<p>Let me talk about designing, doll sculpting, concept building of a characters we originally made. This is a very long process that may take MONTHS of hard work.</p>
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'''Shrinkage:''' The process of recasting can result in dolls that are smaller than the original. If a doll is significantly smaller than a known legit version, it could be a recast. This issue is less frequent on newer recasts.
  
<p>While recaster only need 1 day to make silicone molds and 15 minutes to cast 1 doll.</p>
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'''Channels:''' Sometimes the channels for elastic inside doll parts may be smaller or larger than those on a legit doll, or have extra resin inside, or noticeable seams inside the parts. This issue is less frequent on newer recasts.
  
<p>If recaster keep doing this, BJD art itself will extinct. Imagine that one day BJD is not a form of art anymore but just another mass produced toys.</p>
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'''Headplates:''' Some companies attach plates on the back of dolls’ heads to mark that they are legit. Recasts may be missing the headplates, but be aware that headplates can be copied. A replicated headplate may be made of a different material, be a slightly different color, shape, or size, and any text may look blurry or fuzzy. If there is a serial number, it might be random or might be the number for a different doll. However, some do have the correct number and appear similar to an authentic one.
  
<p>The soul, passion, and artists works deserves appreciation. Fighting recaster is the best way to supports artists.</p></li></ol>
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Note that many dolls – especially older ones – do not have headplates. Sometimes headplates come unglued and fall off, so if you are buying a used doll with a missing headplate, check for other clues to determine whether it is legit.
  
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'''Certificates of authenticity:''' If a doll is sold as new without a certificate of authenticity, it may be a recast. Older dolls may not have come with CoAs, but most newer ones do. However, CoAs may be copied. Some recasters do a good job of copying CoAs, but here are some things to look for when comparing an unknown CoA with a legit one:
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• lower quality with blurry text or incorrect colors
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• the wrong font for stamped serial numbers or dates
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• paper that is too thick or too thin
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• serial numbers that are random or for the wrong doll
  
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===Identifying recasts on sales sites===
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Here are some things to look out for on Ebay listings, or other online sales venues like Etsy, Mandarake, Mercari, or YahooJapan:
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<span class="js-collapseNodeTrigger categoryStrip__collapseToggle" title="Toggle Visibility" style="float:none"><h3 style="float:left">FreakStyleBJD</h3> <i class="uix_icon js-collapseIcon uix_icon-collapse uix_icon--fixedWidth"></i></span>
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'''Generic listing titles:''' Some recast sellers use generic listing titles like '1/3 BJD SD head' and never say anything about the company or sculpt name.
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<li class="node page level_2 node_900"><p>This is a pretty crowded market. It’s hard enough to ‘make it’; unless you’re a big name, most of the time you’ll only sell up to 20 copies of your doll. The last thing we need is unfair competition of a recast.
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Recasting is stealing. It’s waiting to see what doll is popular, spend two days making a mold and then casting it. No wonder they sell for so much less than the original: 2 days of work vs. 8 months to 2 years.</p>
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<p>My company is very small due to issues in my personal life. Luckily, I’ve never had to deal with recasters myself, but that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t affect me. The threat is there. What should be a good thing: One of my sculpts becoming popular, so that I’m able to make enough money to get by, has become a threat. I know that when a sculpt gets popular, it will be recasted. Could I survive that, financially? I’m not sure.</p>
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'''Long title using multiple company/sculpt names:''' Some recast sellers mix up multiple companies' proprietary names and sizes in their listing titles, like '1/3 SD Uncle’. Some use multiple company or sculpt names in the same title 'Volks DOD Soom,' or 'SD fairyland littlefee reni mio shue soom.'
  
<p>It is one of the reasons why I changed my business format. I only make OOAK’s, and sculptures anymore. They are less likely to get copied.</p>
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'''No official dealership:''' Some recast sellers offer a wide range of sculpts from a wide variety of companies, many of which do not have official dealers. Official dealers (such as Doll'sSinging/jeeryama) will mention their legitimacy in their listings.
  
<p>Recasting has affected our community in other, more indirect, ways too. Everything has to be cheaper. People have told me that my dolls are too expensive, so could I please make a custom one for them for 100 dollars. Others say that I’m a thief, because Recasting Company A is selling dolls for much less. Recasts are being used to compare prices, and thus create a falls sense of value.</p>
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'''Doll doesn't come like the photo:''' Some recast sellers show photos stolen from company websites to advertise their recasts. They will frequently offer 'free faceup+eyes,' but the faceup will not look like the photo. They may even say something like 'the faceup will only be 75% similar to the photo.' The wig/outfit/shoes shown in the photo are normally not available either; recasts are sold without clothes.
  
<p>Recasters are a threat, not only to the artists, but to the community as a whole.</p></li></ol>
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==What to do if you accidentally purchased a recast==
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If you have accidentally purchased a recast via a secondhand sale or directly from a recast seller, you can first try to communicate with the seller to do a return and refund.
  
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If the seller is willing to do the refund, you should wait until the seller has actually refunded you the money, and wait for the money to clear back into your account, before you ship the doll back.
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You may need to be willing to pay a little extra to ship the doll back. Consider that losing $20 may be better than losing a few hundred dollars.
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With either type of seller, you may run into issues where the seller is non-responsive. This could happen when you first ask for a refund. Or even if they do agree to a refund, they could suddenly stop communicating with you and not actually send the refund.
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It is important to utilize any tools at your disposal to get your money back.
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Via a sales platform (Amazon, Ebay, Etsy, Mercari) - you can reach out to the platform to tell them there was a problem with your purchase. Tell them that the item was not as described, and that you were sold a counterfeit or bootleg item, which you thought was legitimate. Those sites all have processes you can follow to get a successful resolution. These do have time limits however, so if you learn that you bought a recast, try to start the process as quickly as you can.
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DoA mods are unfamiliar with other non-English platforms (like AliExpress and Taobao, etc), so we unfortunately cannot offer recommendations for these sites.
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With private sales, via Instagram, Facebook Messenger, Tumblr, etc, there are no protections other than your payment service. So you need to be aware of time constraints and limitations on filing claims for your chosen service. For example, this is why it is important to use the Goods and Services payment option in Paypal. They offer you a 180-day period in which to file a claim. If you send via Friends and Family, you cannot file a claim to get your money back in the event of an issue. And they clearly specify that being sold counterfeit goods is covered under their buyer protection.
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Other payment services are not as thorough or as helpful as Paypal though; Cash App does not have clearly defined guidelines for what they will do if a purchased item is not as described. And Venmo has clear statements on their website, that their service is effectively a Friends and Family payment service, and does not offer any buyer protections at all. So Paypal is recommended for purchasing from a private seller, due to their stronger protections.
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Unfortunately, if you purchased a recast years ago, you would be well beyond any return or claims periods, so you would be unable to file a claim to get your money back.
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It is ultimately up to you, to decide what you want to do with it.
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As far as DoA is concerned, it cannot be shown or discussed here, but an individual will not get in any trouble simply for owning a recast.

Latest revision as of 22:34, 10 April 2021

What is a recast?

A recast is a copy of a doll (or doll part) made from moulds of, or digital scanning of, existing dolls. When done without the express permission of the original artist or company, this is a violation of the original artist's or company's exclusive right to control the reproduction of their own intellectual property. These recasts are a violation of the artist's or company's exclusive rights whether they are made for personal use or for sale.

What does it mean to be ___?

  • Recast: An unauthorized copy of a doll or doll part made from an existing part without the express permission of the original artist or company. This is a violation of the artist's or company's exclusive right to control the reproduction of their own intellectual property. Synonyms: counterfeit, bootleg.
  • Legitimate: An original doll or doll part made and approved by the original artist or company. Synonym: legit.
  • Recast Friendly: A stance that is for recasts or actively looks for and purchases recasts. Synonym: Pro-recast.
  • Recast Neutral: A stance that accepts recasts without openly supporting them. In practice, it is similar to being recast friendly.
  • Pro-Artist: A stance that is against recasts. Supports the original artist or company by purchasing a doll directly through them, their approved vendors, or through research on the second hand market. Synonym: Anti-recast.

How to Spot a Recast

Ebay, Facebook, Instagram, and other sites are filled with recasts. Some people label them as recasts, but others do not – they may just not think about it, or they may try to purposefully lie and say that their recast doll is legit.

Here are some things that may be an indication of a recast doll. Most recasts, especially newer ones, will not have every one of these traits.

Color: A doll may be a recast if it is offered in a color that is unavailable from the original company. For example, if the original company only sold dolls in white or normal skin, then blue or purple dolls may be recasts. If a used legit doll has been dyed, this will usually be noted in the description, and there is usually some unevenness to the coloring.

Markings: Some dolls have stamps or engraving on the inside of the head or headcap, or right/left indications inside arms and legs. Legit dolls' markings are usually deeper and cleaner. Markings inside a recast doll may be missing or look faint.

Connectors: Recasts may have resin hooks or metal s-hooks where the legit company usually uses magnetic parts, for example in hands or feet.

Price: Recasts are often – but not always – much cheaper than legit dolls.

Seller: Only official dealers have the authority to sell a company's doll as a 'new' item. Research sellers to make sure they are official dealers for the dolls they sell. If you are buying a used doll, ask if the seller has feedback on DoA or another site.

Rarity: If a doll has been sold out for years on a company website, be wary about buying from a seller that has ‘new’ dolls in stock or available to order, especially if the price is too good to be true.

Quality: Most recent recasts are of average quality. However, the quality of older recast dolls may be noticeably lower than legit dolls, with rough edges, large seams and extra resin in abnormal areas. In a few instances where a legit company was having trouble with quality control, a recast may be better quality than the original, but this is rare.

Shrinkage: The process of recasting can result in dolls that are smaller than the original. If a doll is significantly smaller than a known legit version, it could be a recast. This issue is less frequent on newer recasts.

Channels: Sometimes the channels for elastic inside doll parts may be smaller or larger than those on a legit doll, or have extra resin inside, or noticeable seams inside the parts. This issue is less frequent on newer recasts.

Headplates: Some companies attach plates on the back of dolls’ heads to mark that they are legit. Recasts may be missing the headplates, but be aware that headplates can be copied. A replicated headplate may be made of a different material, be a slightly different color, shape, or size, and any text may look blurry or fuzzy. If there is a serial number, it might be random or might be the number for a different doll. However, some do have the correct number and appear similar to an authentic one.

Note that many dolls – especially older ones – do not have headplates. Sometimes headplates come unglued and fall off, so if you are buying a used doll with a missing headplate, check for other clues to determine whether it is legit.

Certificates of authenticity: If a doll is sold as new without a certificate of authenticity, it may be a recast. Older dolls may not have come with CoAs, but most newer ones do. However, CoAs may be copied. Some recasters do a good job of copying CoAs, but here are some things to look for when comparing an unknown CoA with a legit one: • lower quality with blurry text or incorrect colors • the wrong font for stamped serial numbers or dates • paper that is too thick or too thin • serial numbers that are random or for the wrong doll

Identifying recasts on sales sites

Here are some things to look out for on Ebay listings, or other online sales venues like Etsy, Mandarake, Mercari, or YahooJapan:

Generic listing titles: Some recast sellers use generic listing titles like '1/3 BJD SD head' and never say anything about the company or sculpt name.

Long title using multiple company/sculpt names: Some recast sellers mix up multiple companies' proprietary names and sizes in their listing titles, like '1/3 SD Uncle’. Some use multiple company or sculpt names in the same title 'Volks DOD Soom,' or 'SD fairyland littlefee reni mio shue soom.'

No official dealership: Some recast sellers offer a wide range of sculpts from a wide variety of companies, many of which do not have official dealers. Official dealers (such as Doll'sSinging/jeeryama) will mention their legitimacy in their listings.

Doll doesn't come like the photo: Some recast sellers show photos stolen from company websites to advertise their recasts. They will frequently offer 'free faceup+eyes,' but the faceup will not look like the photo. They may even say something like 'the faceup will only be 75% similar to the photo.' The wig/outfit/shoes shown in the photo are normally not available either; recasts are sold without clothes.

What to do if you accidentally purchased a recast

If you have accidentally purchased a recast via a secondhand sale or directly from a recast seller, you can first try to communicate with the seller to do a return and refund.

If the seller is willing to do the refund, you should wait until the seller has actually refunded you the money, and wait for the money to clear back into your account, before you ship the doll back. You may need to be willing to pay a little extra to ship the doll back. Consider that losing $20 may be better than losing a few hundred dollars.

With either type of seller, you may run into issues where the seller is non-responsive. This could happen when you first ask for a refund. Or even if they do agree to a refund, they could suddenly stop communicating with you and not actually send the refund. It is important to utilize any tools at your disposal to get your money back.

Via a sales platform (Amazon, Ebay, Etsy, Mercari) - you can reach out to the platform to tell them there was a problem with your purchase. Tell them that the item was not as described, and that you were sold a counterfeit or bootleg item, which you thought was legitimate. Those sites all have processes you can follow to get a successful resolution. These do have time limits however, so if you learn that you bought a recast, try to start the process as quickly as you can. DoA mods are unfamiliar with other non-English platforms (like AliExpress and Taobao, etc), so we unfortunately cannot offer recommendations for these sites.

With private sales, via Instagram, Facebook Messenger, Tumblr, etc, there are no protections other than your payment service. So you need to be aware of time constraints and limitations on filing claims for your chosen service. For example, this is why it is important to use the Goods and Services payment option in Paypal. They offer you a 180-day period in which to file a claim. If you send via Friends and Family, you cannot file a claim to get your money back in the event of an issue. And they clearly specify that being sold counterfeit goods is covered under their buyer protection. Other payment services are not as thorough or as helpful as Paypal though; Cash App does not have clearly defined guidelines for what they will do if a purchased item is not as described. And Venmo has clear statements on their website, that their service is effectively a Friends and Family payment service, and does not offer any buyer protections at all. So Paypal is recommended for purchasing from a private seller, due to their stronger protections.

Unfortunately, if you purchased a recast years ago, you would be well beyond any return or claims periods, so you would be unable to file a claim to get your money back. It is ultimately up to you, to decide what you want to do with it.

As far as DoA is concerned, it cannot be shown or discussed here, but an individual will not get in any trouble simply for owning a recast.