OAK Fullsets Made from a Company Doll?

I'm not sure I fully understand the question. Do you mean the person bought a blank doll, then did a faceup, mods and clothing and sold it as the company's doll, but with their OOAK style? Or that they claim the doll as their own full work?

I think if a person still lists it as the company's doll, just describes what they did to it, it's perfectly fine. This hobby is all about customizing, that's what the dolls are meant to do. I think there are plenty of people out there that want a professional look to their doll, but might want something more unique than what the company offers. Some people would pay extra to have a doll fully clothes, faceupped and wigged, if it is done professionally.

If the person is modding the doll, creating a fullset and claiming the doll itself as their own creation...that's just flat out illegal and unethical because they are basically claiming someone else's art as their own.

Would I buy one? Highly unlikely. A big part of the hobby for me is to do my own faceups and sewing, do my own mods (if I'm able) or commission an artist of my choosing (if I'm not able). A fully customized doll with a OOAK set is very unlikely to meet my desires, since it's someone else's creation and not my own. This is also why I don't like fullsets from thecompany. I always try to buy my dolls blank if possible.

Would I make one? I'm not sure. I think if I put that much effort into a doll, enough to do a faceup, pick out a wig and eyes and make a full outfit, I'd probably get too attached and want to keep him. I have sold dolls on the MP before with wig, eyes, clothes and faceup by me included, bu I didn't list it as a fullset or raise the price significantly. Usually, if I toss in extras, it's to add appeal to the listing and attract a buyer, not to raise the price.

Sure, it's fair to the company. They got their listed price for it, it's no longer their doll. Again, as long as the person is not claiming the company's work as their own, there's really no reason to get upset over changing things that are meant to be customized.

 

I've seen this. There were dolls from companies that were faceupped and clothed and styled by various artists (Valerie Zeitler and Marbled Halls) at the Austin BJDC. They did NOT claim they made the dolls. I've seen this done many times on ebay--with various dolls that were faceupped and clothed and made OOAK fullsets by people and sold.

I don't see why it wouldn't be fair to the company. Someone BOUGHT the doll to begin with. What a person does with the doll afterwards is their own business!

If I liked what the artist had done with the faceup and clothing, I'd buy. Why not? I'd buy clothes I liked. I'd buy dolls with artist faceups I liked. If I liked the whole package, it'd be great.

I most likely wouldn't make one since I don't make clothes or do faceups for others. But, say, if I wanted to sell a doll and had them in a special outfit and sold it all together, it just about adds up to the same thing, maybe.

 

Plus, some encourage modifying dolls; customizing dolls is at the heart of this hobby.

When an artist has bought the doll and credits the company who made it, I don't see what's wrong with selling a OOAK fullset. It's been done before and some are absolutely stunning. And I think I'd buy one if the doll in question is a mold I was looking for and the modifications are to my liking.

 

Sure, there have been plenty of independent "editions" of things, I guess you'd call them-- like Val Zeitler or Cristy Stone, I see them do those nowadays. There also used to be fullsets customized by the Japanese artists, like Avvelenato & Satoko Ohno, where hair & eyes & outfit would also be included, and the doll had a fabulous faceup, often slightly modded... I used to see them a lot on eBay. Not so much nowadays though.

Since the dolls aren't being touted as the artist's own creation, it's perfectly fair to the doll company. It's not like they're claiming they sculpted the doll themselves - just styled it. If they put the doll's brand & sculpt right there in the descriptor, I fail to see what the problem is.

Yes, I would buy any of these fullsets, same as I'd buy a fullset from a company, regardless of whether or not I wanted the clothes/hair/etc. If the doll itself was exactly what I wanted, I'd buy it. I don't care what else it does/doesn't come with. Long ago I bought a Satoko Ohno repaint which came in a one-off fullset, and he is still one of the most stunning dolls in my collection.

 

Oh, well, in that case, sure, it's perfectly acceptable as others have said. I used to be very interested in OOAK Bratz and Barbie dolls, they were usually much more attractive than default dolls, so I see no reason why a OOAK BJD couldn't be as well.

 

Well if the person does not list the doll as their own creation, just lists that the wig, clothes, faceup, and whatever else they did with it was their work, then of course there's little wrong with them selling a company doll in a custom OOAK fullset the doll's owner made.

Would I buy it? No. The only fullset doll I will ever buy is Dollzone's Una, simply because I adore it. I don't really like fullsets, and....well if this company doll is still being made by the company, I'd just buy it from there. I can assume the I would not be able to buy this doll from the MP by itself, so unless this doll was reasonably priced, and a limited no longer being made, I would not buy it.

 

I would make one, if I ever were intending to part from said doll. I do adore the ooak's, but I am more satisfied of just looking rather than owning one. I am not really keen on buying fullsets, or even company made clothes for that matter. (Only buying shoes and eyes for now, since those I can't make the way I want them.)

The company would be fine~ unless the doll used is a recast.

 

Go for it! It sounds like fun to do - a good way to establish your own style & get it out there - and plenty of people like buying dolls in a set that comes with everything. Anything they don't want they'll change later.

 

A lot of people sell OOAK custom dolls built from the base of other dolls (Blythe and Monster High spring to mind first) so I think it's fairly accepted. As long as you credit the base properly it should be fine.

 

I know most here have already said it, but if the artist is giving credit to the company for sculpting the doll, I don't see any harm in it. Customization is what this hobby's all about, and if someone wants to make some cash doing it, then why not? They already paid for the doll themselves, so what happens to it after that point is out of the company's hands. I think the only time I would feel there was something wrong about it is if someone didn't list the sculpt of the doll with the intention of deceiving people, as idrisfynn mentioned.

I wouldn't personally buy a one-off because a big part of my enjoyment of this hobby is painting face-ups and sewing clothes for my dolls, so I'd rather do the work myself than pay someone else to do it. I would also kind of feel like the doll was the fruit of someone else's creative vision instead of my own.

As for making one, I don't think I would do that either. I've had a hard enough time second-guessing my handiwork when it's on my own dolls, let alone going on one I intend to sell.

 

Technically, ANY BJD purchased and then even moderately customized by the owner, even with an eye change, is a OOAK doll.

So when I see a doll for sale as an owner made fullset, I roll my eyes and consider it a cash grab on their part to try and make it seem more special when it's really not. The only time I don't have that reaction is when it's an extremely well known customizer who has clearly put a lot of work, time, and talent into the doll, like Satoko Ohno's old fullset auctions or some of the ones you see on y!j. That really doesn't happen too often in the DoA marketplace.

 

I agree with this. I was once looking for a somewhat inexpensive doll (she sells new blank for $265) and found one for sale "OOAK Fullset" for $700!!! The faceup was sub-par, the wig was messy and looked damaged, the clothing was worth...eh...i don't know, maybe $50-75 IF it was something you liked....it was far from anything I'd ever want on a doll. The seller thought it was worth more than double the original price, but considering the faceup she had done, I actually wouldn't have paid the original blank price for it, since I'd have to wipe it and I'm not sure if she sealed first, if there was staining, etc.

 

Ooh this is definitly an interesting topic that I will keep my eyes on for sure!

Im also like you, Ink13, thinking of doing OOAK dolls and sell. Not becouse I particulary want to make OOAK dolls to sell but becouse I have a project in mind that will leave me with two pukifee bodies without faceplates. Instead of just selling off the bodies as they are I figured why not make it into something fun. I sew a lot and recently Ive been starting to do face-ups so doing two OOAK dolls would be something fun for me. I also would like to try to mod sleeping faceplates too so doing two OOAK dolls just seemed like the perfect thing for me to do. Yay creativity! n_n

As for the questions. I think as long as company name is mentioned properly and it's clearly stated what you customized I dont see anything wrong with doing OOAK dolls to sell. I always enjoy fullsets no matter if theyre from a company or an artist. If it appeals to me, I will buy it

 

I think that would be a great idea! Then the buyer can decide if the extra work is worth the extra cost or not.