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Potential health risk with larger magnets!

Feb 26, 2014

    1. I'm starting this thread just to alert people with implantable medical devices such as pacemakers and implantable defibrillators that some doll bodies now have fairly strong magnets inside and to take care with handling them. I'm not talking about the small magnets for holding head caps on but much stronger ones in the torso for attaching arms. I have recently bought a feeple 65cm male body which I love but it has these magnets. They are strong enough for metal things to stick to as I found out when a kitchen knife got stuck on my dolls back. I am not saying that these particular magnets will definitely cause problems for people with these medical devices as that would require proper testing but I would just like caution people of the potential risk. Also if you have one of these beautiful dolls as I do, it would not be a bad idea to let people know about your dolls stronger magnets if they wish to handle your doll, for example at a doll meet. Keeping the doll body further away from their chest will decrease the risk as well. I myself have worked for many years in cardiology which makes me more aware of this kind of risk. There are many people out there with implantable devices and not just the elderly. I have looked after many younger people as well. I figure with our large doll community there are bound to be some of us with implantable devices and it can't hurt to be careful.
      There are other threads on the forum dealing with resin and sealant risks when modding and how to prevent problems so just be careful and we can all enjoy our lovely dolls.
       
      #1 Kavarr, Feb 26, 2014
    2. Thanks for the info. I wouldn't have thought of this, and while I don't personally have any health issues that would be affected by strong magnets, this is something to keep in mind. Good point!
       
      #2 Purple Lady, Feb 26, 2014
    3. Agree, this information should be pinned to the top as part of health safety concerns when handling dolls. Awareness is key!
       
      #3 GlukoZza, Feb 26, 2014
    4. Thank you for the heads-up, I'd never have thought of this!
       
      #4 Jany, Feb 26, 2014
    5. It isn't something many people would think about but I thought it worth letting people know just in case. I know lots of us (me included) love holding/hugging our dolls and I would not want someone to come to harm from this. Most people with devices are well informed about risks but as these stronger magnets are a relatively new thing with bjds many would be unaware of them being there at all. I had no idea until my doll got a few things on the bench stuck onto him!
       
      #5 Kavarr, Feb 27, 2014
    6. Thank you for posting about this. I have had a pacemaker since I was 32, and am usually very careful with magnetized things; but I did not even think about bjd magnets until you mentioned it. Thanks!
       
      #6 cmataki, Feb 27, 2014
    7. Oh, I had never thought about this! Thank you for sharing. I don't have any dolls right now with really strong magnets, but I may in the future. Since I don't generally mind letting people explore and handle my dolls, this is something I want to remember!
       
      #7 chanarivka, Feb 27, 2014
    8. Thanks for the heads up, it would have never occurred to me. I'll have to keep friends/family in the know if they choose to handle any dolls with magnets if I get any in the future. :)
       
      #8 coldstar, Feb 28, 2014
    9. Do you think they could also interfere with insulin pumps or other medication pumps? A lot of those are computerized.
       
      #9 Victoria Victrix, Feb 28, 2014
    10. Thanks for sharing this information. This would have never crossed my mind.
       
      #10 hyacinthusmoon, Feb 28, 2014
    11. I honestly do not know whether they could effect medication pumps Victoria Victrix . I know some pumps are affected by very strong magnets like in an MRI scanner and I know a mobile phone can alter medication pumps and other equipment in the hospital.That is why we ask people to turn them off in the hospital. I would recommend to anyone that has a concern to consult the manufacturer of the medication pump for further advice. My initial concern was that many people tend to hold their dolls resting against their chest and that would bring the magnets into close range to the implantable devices that are known to be affected by magnets such as pacemakers and implantable defibrillators. Also remember that the further away from the person the magnet is then the less likely it will interfere with a device.
      Now i'm glad that I posted this cmataki and I'm sure there are many others in our hobby with them too:)
       
      #11 Kavarr, Feb 28, 2014
    12. This seems a little scary if anyone like cmataki has the same implantable devices. If you don't mind me asking, I'm just a little curious, how would magnets actually affect them? Will it stop the device from functioning properly/working?
       
      #12 Chamillia, Feb 28, 2014
    13. Without going into to much detail if a magnet is placed over a pacemaker it causes the device to go into a operating mode that can be different to what the patients has been set at. Moving the magnet away will allow the pacemaker to go back to it's normal program. With implantable defibrillators the application of a magnet can stop the devices ability to detect a dangerous fast rhythm and therefore it won't deliver it's programmed treatment. Again once the magnet is removed it will return to normal function. I won't go into anymore detail as this thread is just to let people know about the stronger magnets being used by some doll companies and to alert people to the potential risk.
       
      #13 Kavarr, Feb 28, 2014
    14. Do we know for sure doll magnets are strong enough to cause problems? Caution is great but I wouldnt want people unnecessarily panicked. What is the max strength magnet that is safe to be near implantable devices?

      If we are thinking about the magnets, strong magnets do pose a known health risk to pets, young children, and teenagers stupid enough to swallow magnets. (Saw a recent news article about a teen who had to have surgery after swallowing two magnetic balls.) If swallowed they can cause intestinal blockage or tears. I would not let any child young enough to still be putting everything in their mouth a bjd with exposed magnets.
       
      #14 DeadLegato, Feb 28, 2014
    15. DeadLegato, I would imagine they would be strong enough, since they're as strong as or stronger than the magnetic nametag I wear at work, which is printed with a warning about pacemakers on the back of it. (It reads, verbatim, "Caution -- Magnetic Device Do not use with pacemaker" on the back of the magnet strip.)
       
      #15 vicemage, Feb 28, 2014
    16. Okay, good to know. ^_^
       
      #16 DeadLegato, Mar 1, 2014
    17. I would not be so concerned about the little head cap magnets but the ones inside the torso of my feeple boy are really quite strong. I do not know if any other companies are using them this is the first I have seen. Having the dolls in the house would be fine it would just be a risk if held close to the persons chest. Different companies manufacturing medical devices may be able to give some more precise information about magnet strengths and safe distances that have been tested. Most people with these devices are great at knowing what is safe or not. My concern is many would have no idea that these magnets were even there unless someone tells them.
       
      #17 Kavarr, Mar 1, 2014
    18. Having a quick search for "rare earth magnets and pacemakers", I came across this article about tests done with the two:
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18334784
       
      #18 kawaii_mon, Mar 2, 2014
    19. It would if the magnet was placed directly on the pump, pod, or CGM. If it was a pod and it had an issue the device should error and suspend.
       
      #19 MelancholyWings, Mar 2, 2014