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Sopa and Pipa- Foreign sites will be blacklisted?!

Jan 18, 2012

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    1. This scares me, wikipedia and mozilla and many internet websites went black today to raise awareness of the Sopa and pipa bills. They've been talking about it quite sometime. But will it affect our hobby as we buy from many foreign websites.

      This is what I read.

      SOPA and PIPA would put the burden on website owners to police user-contributed material and call for the unnecessary blocking of entire sites. Small sites won't have sufficient resources to defend themselves. Big media companies may seek to cut off funding sources for their foreign competitors, even if copyright isn't being infringed. Foreign sites will be blacklisted, which means they won't show up in major search engines. SOPA and PIPA would build a framework for future restrictions and suppression.

      In a world in which politicians regulate the Internet based on the influence of big money, Wikipedia — and sites like it — cannot survive.

      Congress says it's trying to protect the rights of copyright owners, but the "cure" that SOPA and PIPA represent is worse than the disease. SOPA and PIPA are not the answer: they would fatally damage the free and open Internet.

      Comments:
      The Washington Post's Alexandra Petri commented, who called them "nightmarish."

      If this were surgery, the patient would have run out screaming a long time ago. But this is like a group of well-intentioned amateurs getting together to perform heart surgery on a patient incapable of moving. “We hear from the motion picture industry that heart surgery is what’s required,” they say cheerily. “We’re not going to cut the good valves, just the bad — neurons, or whatever you call those durn thingies.”

      This is terrifying to watch. It would be amusing — there’s nothing like people who did not grow up with the Internet attempting to ask questions about technology very slowly and stumbling over words like “server” and “service” when you want an easy laugh. Except that this time, the joke’s on us.

      What do you think could this possibly affect the BJD hobby in anyway or shape or form? Think about it, if it does block foreign websites on google and search engines we use, how are supposed to find our foreign friends and doll sales pages? I would love to hear your opinions on the matter. Good idea or bad idea? Pros or Cons?
       
      #1 pink_dollie, Jan 18, 2012
    2. I have woken up and watched many youtube videos about this SOPA subject and most of them are news clips explaining what it is.


      I agree that this is a valid subject for Debate on this Forum, because this bill could potentially stop collectors in the US from assessing websites from overseas to order dolls from Asian BJD companies. Thus affecting the Hobby.

      And this bill could potentially, cause Den of Angels to shut down.
      - Why? There are a lot of Photos of Celebrity dolls and Character dolls that come from movies/t.v shows Ect.
      For example: Just one photo of a Doll made in the likeness of Batman ( a copyrighted movie character) could shut down this forum without any notice.
       
      #2 Elysion gear, Jan 18, 2012
    3. Agreed this is a frightening. I'm still working (temporary hiatus for better working weather) on a doll based on a Marvel comics character. So, I could literally bring about the doom of any site where I post him. Let alone that if they wanted to be picky they could simply say that a doll looks like a celebrity. I know my one boy has been mistaken for Alice Cooper, Nicki Sixx, and a host of other people... Scary stuff.
       
      #3 Duskkodesh, Jan 18, 2012
    4. Those Americans who feel strongly about the issue may write to their local political representative and express their opinion regarding this legislation. Wikipedia currently opens to a black-out form, which allows you to do just that.
       
      #4 Katyok, Jan 18, 2012
    5. When thinking about SOPA I didn't even imagine it could affect Den of Angels! Now, I see how stupid that was not to think up! There are many dolls made in the likeness of other characters....One of things is, they don't ask questions before a site is shut down (so I've heard!) They shut it down, then review! So a mistaken doll identity could cause everything to spiral down! I really hope that the government truly sees how many are opposed to this and stops it where it stands!
       
      #5 XvPandavX, Jan 18, 2012
    6. It's a frightening idea. I can't believe someone came up with these ideas and thought they were good! Censorship is never a good idea. I'm appalled and writing to the government.
       
      #6 SharpestLife19, Jan 18, 2012
    7. Just found this while searching for a way for Canadian users can send there thoughts on this matter:

      Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/CanadiansAgainstSOPA
      (This one has alot of information)

      and another form here: http://americancensorship.org/
      (If you are not in the US, There is a form at the bottom.)

      If you are not in the US, you can still get in contact with your local political representative and tell them that that you strongly oppose the bill. As this Bill will affect Canadians as well.
       
      #7 Elysion gear, Jan 18, 2012
    8. Not that I'm for SOPA or anything, but I think the whole all foreign sites will be blacklisted for no reason bit is a little misleading.

      It seems people have taken "sites that infringe upon copyright and trademarks will be blacklisted" as "ALL foreign sites no matter what will not be available period". It plays into the "let's scare people so they'll protest".

      Now, I'm all for protesting, but people need to be informed about what they're protesting. :/ Not that any of this is crystal clear, which is the biggest problem. They're waaaaay too vague and sweeping.

      I don't think it will pass, but if it does, and what I quoted above is correct, I don't think doll sites would have a problem as long as they're not breaking copyright or trademark laws. The Pirate Bay on the other hand is a major foreign target.

      DOA...one wrong post and it could be removed from searches perhaps.
       
      #8 Patches, Jan 18, 2012
    9. Depending on how malicious people want to get, simply posting links to company photos/other sites, which is integral to the forum could have serious repercussions.

      I'm sort of surprised this hasn't been brought up before now... though it shouldn't have ever gotten to this point.

      I'm hoping that now this has been made personal (not just through DoA, but other blackouts and the like) it will raise awareness about other ridiculous bills and make people pay more attention to what their governments are doing.

      Not just in the US - though they are in the spotlight right now - but everywhere.

      I don't think it will, but one can hope.
       
      #9 Tayma-Leigh, Jan 18, 2012
    10. I was thinking about posting this question for a few days.
      It's even scarier than I thought D: I thought that it would only affect US sites and thus, BJDs would be safe. Apparently not!
      GODDAMMIT this is america, not china!
       
      #10 sahoma, Jan 18, 2012
    11. I agree with this post. I don't like the bill, but I hate fear-mongering. It's not going to take the site off the internet, but removes it from searches.

      This is still a big issue, as that means the flow of traffic to the site can slow (unless you know the URL). Leading to less new members unless by word of mouth, and (doll) advertising reaches less people. This means less ad-revenue to run the site with and I think we all know what happens to websites when there's no money... Members who have shops won't get as much traffic as they should, and people who have doll websites with infringing content can be shut down.

      This is pretty general (not DOA specific), but it's why this whole thing scares me. There's so many people that make their living off (extra money, food money, doll money...) off stuff like that, and even getting shut down for a month can be devastating.
       
      #11 Larin-Lazet, Jan 18, 2012
    12. Here is a little link, for those of you out there that are reading this and thinking "Ridiculous, this will never pass, never!"

      http://sopatrack.com/

      Look up your congress representatives for your state. Look to see how much money they are getting from big media ( the only people that this will benefit form this bill passing)

      And here is another site that shows your congressman stance on the issue. ( Again find your state representatives in the drop down bar at the top right, in the blue box.)
      http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/CA


      So now, how will your Representative vote? Still think it wont pass?
       
      #12 empty_fullmoon, Jan 18, 2012
    13. I was wondering when this would show up on here since it's shown up almost everywhere else. Quite honestly, it's extremely scary. But we did live without the Internet before, so it's not a huge deal. What is the scary part is the fact that the US government would try to do something so ridiculous to take away our First Amendment rights of Freedom of Speech, Press, and Protest. It almost seems that it's another way for those slimy politicians to control the puppets of the United States. I myself have taken several actions, such as sign several petitions and write to my Congressmen/women. Plus, people make a living from doing things off the Internet and they could potentially lose that extra money because of some "copyright infringement." It's stupid and quiet honestly hate it.
       
      #13 hmeyer15, Jan 18, 2012
    14. Oh please stop T_T I think I'm gonna cry!
      I won't be able to sleep until they Announce the results of the votes. And if SOPA wins, I'll blow up the damn planet!
      I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THIS PLANET ANYMORE è_é

      No but just imagine.... If they do block foreign sites just for being foreign I'm f**king screwed! I'm not done paying off 3 dolls AND All my dolls are naked!

      I really hope I'm freaking out for nothing! I hope that either SOPA won't win or that it won't be as bad as it sounds!


      hmeyer15: when my Dad told me about this, m'y first thought was: wow, lots of people Will be out of job! This is really stupid! The only réal reason behind this is money and most likely : controlling society. I hate humans a bit more each day >.<
       
      #14 sahoma, Jan 18, 2012
    15. I understand what your saying here, but this is just one step, in the wrong direction.

      A gateway into a whole other mess where they can do what ever they want, because, as you stated, its way to vague, and it was made to be so.

      Think about it, how can they really do this? Is it not regulation of the internet?
      The only true way to regulate the internet would be to do what they do in countries like China, you have to log into a program that then logs everything you do. And YES they do use that in the USA! I went to a school where you have to go in everything you got on a computer, the program was called Cysco Clean Access, ( Cysco systems) THE SAME people that make that program are the ones ones that made the one China uses to regulate their internet.

      What I am saying is that if this passes, it will fail, it will only bring own the small business people that use the internet was a way to make extra income, as was already mentioned. So what are they going to do next? Just think about it.

      Step in the totally wrong direction.
       
      #15 empty_fullmoon, Jan 18, 2012
    16. SOPA has been shelved, luckily, but only for now. Even though it has gotten this far, which I find shocking, I do not think it will come to full terms. There are many large corporations protesting it, and the internet blackout today will probably help, though I wish Facebook and Twitter and such did the same so politicians can also feel it since they use it quite a bit.

      Unfortunately, even if this is American legislation, it will affect the world. America will be cut off in ways that could never even be foreseen. Selling in the marketplace will probably be affected as well. I somewhat fear for my future use of DoA.
       
      #16 knightjeran, Jan 18, 2012
    17. The only "Pro" that I can think of if a bill like this had passed, was the fact that Mijn Schatje Would no longer be able to make thousands of dollars off of her Digital "Tracings" of other people's dolls.
       
      #17 Elysion gear, Jan 18, 2012
    18. Agreed!
      I was also thinking about Andreja who had some of her pics stolen....

      But unfortunately, I see more cons than pros. To me it almost screams : WORLD DOMINATION!!
      Well, not YET. But as empty_fullmon said, it's definitely one step in the wrong direction!
       
      #18 sahoma, Jan 18, 2012
    19. Oh I completely agree. Something should be done to help protect IP's but this is not the way.

      Well, schools and like, businesses monitoring their students or employees is not the same thing as monitoring your general populace, but I get what you're saying. Cisco claims they do not sell anything to China that they don't to US companies and schools but it still should be shameful to know your technology is now being used as a tool of oppression. :<

      Money talks unfortunately.
       
      #19 Patches, Jan 18, 2012
    20. The point is, who would be making the decisions on what is an "infringement"? If the law is vague enough, an infringement can turn into "anything that 'we' don't like".

      I understand the need to protect copyrighted material, but blocking internet freedom is not the way to do it. At least not here in the "land of the free".
       
      #20 strangeangels, Jan 18, 2012
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