Accidentally Buying a Copy: What Should They Do?

I understand why you would destroy it. I just couldn't personally bring myself to destroy/throw out something that cost me so much! If I got a refund, sure, but I've had a doll that took 2 months to ship to me from the US, so if I bought one it might always go past the paypal 45-day mark before I find out.

If I want an oddly colored doll too, I'd buy from RS or dye it! I'm not adverse to dying things, and dying is in one of my future projects!

 

Even the color argument does not really count for me. From this thread http://www.denofangels.com/forums/s...Idol-Marcus-and-Baby-Aimee&highlight=impldoll you can see that some doll companies cast in colors they do not normally offer. Another company I know of would be Mirodoll. Thus, even this is no real reason to buy a recast.

 

Being a newbie myself to bjds I could see how this could easily happen to someone so I too would say keep the doll and enjoy it. It really wasn't her fault, and having surfed the web myself for dolls I saw some soom dolls that I had no clue were fakes until I came here. Luckily for me I'd already bought my doll from another member of a doll site I belong too so know I got a legitimate doll. Also coming here has made me aware that the fake dolls exist so I'll be very careful in the future when I buy a doll.
Love,
Lee

 

Paypal requires counterfeit goods to be destroyed so they won't end up back on the market. I don't imagine they would allow a refund without ensuring the goods have been properly destroyed.

 

Plus, you could of course modify a sculpt to have to colour of your choosing. If I wanted a baby blue Volks Reisner, I'd get some RIT dye and start boiling doll pieces.

EDIT,
Just saw the thread you posted. It's so awesome of Impldoll to make a custom doll like this! Shows that it never hurts to just ask.

 

Yup. I'd take the opportunity to destroy it creatively. Maybe encase it in concrete and make a birdbath out of it. Really, every time I hear "omg I'd keep the doll" in this thread I go "so you wouldn't even pursue a refund??" which just kind of nauseates the living hell out of me. That's voluntarily and willingly leaving money in the hands of recasters. Why would you even do that?

Someone make this happen.

 

Well, I don't 100% know how paypal works. All I know is there's a 45 day limit to file a claim.

 

But what if you CAN'T get a refund? If you try every possibility and are still unable? It's not your fault, and you shouldn't have to be punished twice for something you didn't cause. :/

 

How about ethics? You do have to look at yourself in the mirror once in a while. Can you live with yourself knowing you've stolen from some artist who is barely working for minimum wage as it is?

If you didn't do the research before buying, it is your fault you wasted the money. Make amends.

 

Well no, someone ELSE stole from them, and you got the doll by accident. It's not your fault if it happens, it's only your fault if you buy directly from recasters.

 

It's your fault if you go on ebay and grab something just because it's cheap; it doesn't matter who you are buying it from. Ask for more photos of mold markings, etc. Research to find out whether the doll you're looking at ever had a box and paperwork; know what should be included with this particular doll (headplate if any, which mold markings, etc). Make sure everything is correct before you get the credit card out.

Always know exactly what you're buying before you buy it. Don't look at a pretty faceup and say "good enough" if it's something likely to have been recast. If there is any doubt in your mind as to whether it's authentic, don't buy it.

Most importantly, don't try to pass the blame to the person who bought the recast in the first place. Once the doll is in your hands, it becomes your problem.

 

Yes, but this thread isn't about this. This thread is about if you were to buy a doll that was the usual doll price. Not every doll comes with authentication cards, and not everyone keeps their boxes. Some recasts are genuinely the same in looks these days. And there's always the risk of someone having a legit version and a recast version, then selling the recast as legit with the original box, certificate, headplate etc. from the legit version.

Don't blame people for owning something they had no control over.

 

Actually, you're completely mistaken as to "what this thread is about". Quoting the original post:

If a buyer jumps at a too-good-to-be-true deal blindly without doing thorough research, it is on the buyer. You have control over what you buy, so don't say it's something you have "no control over". And if you're going to try and derail/shut down a conversation by using the "that's not what the thread is about" argument, you should probably make sure you're correct when you talk about what the thread is apparently actually about.

Just sayin'.

 

PayPal aside, your credit card company can reverse the charges and if they have a time limit, it's certainly longer than 45 days.

 

Some people don't research anything before they buy. Research or not it's not their fault they got scammed if the description of the doll is a lie. The scammer is the guilty party period. Now if you know you're buying a recast that is a whole different story.

 

It's still the buyer's fault for not researching. Ask questions on this forum -- this seller on ebay has a lot of dolls available, are they legitimate? Ask the seller questions -- get more photos, get as much info as you can about the doll you are thinking of buying. A shop should be able to tell you where they got the dolls. Cross check against other companies' molds -- does it look too similar, does this body look familiar?

It's the same as buying any other collectible: Question before buying, and that will avoid most problems with recasts. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is.

 

You're assuming everyone who buys a doll wants to or has looked into these dolls before which is not always the case. Many people buy things they know nothing about because they like the picture they see of it and have the money to buy it. If the seller is lying about what they are selling they are a thief and as scammer. You can't just assume everyone who wants to buy a doll knows their are boards like this to ask questions about the dolls.

 

If they buy without reading, that's their own fault. Right this moment I'm looking on ebay at a "ball joint doll resin kit" for which the description says outright it's a recast. The photos show it's a recast of a Unoa. Most sellers are bold about this nowadays. (And yes, I've reported it to ebay.)

How is it not their fault if they buy it because it's cheap and they like it instead of researching what it is they're buying? I would do the same for any other collectible: what is it, who makes them, and what is it worth? A few minutes of Google time does a lot of good for most collectibles. If they can't do that much, it doesn't make it not their fault.

Also: considering the general idea of "$100+ dollars = expensive", who is going to spend that much without checking? People don't randomly look around on ebay for tupperware and decide to buy a doll, do they?

It is purely "buyer beware". If they get taken on a recast, they need to deal with it instead of deciding they love the doll anyway.

 

I didn't say they didn't read the description I said they nothing of the doll before they saw the listing saw the pic and bought it because they liked it. And for many people $100 is nothing at all. I'm pretty cynical but I would never assume someone who bought a recast did so on purpose unless they said so or that they were stupid. Lots of people buy things on ebay on a whim no research, they just like what they see. Maybe they then later find this place come on here post a pic and someone says that's not a real doll it's a recast. Should everyone just shun them because they bought something without researching it first? I wouldn't.

 

What if someone has no knowledge of the hobby, has plenty of money and decides to delve right in? What if the seller posts pictures of a legit doll and lists it at its regular price? How are you, as a buyer, supposed to know that it's a recast? I didn't learn about recasts until I'd been in the hobby for a few months, and by then I'd bought my first doll. Also, not everyone is on DoA, and it shouldn't be assumed that everyone in the hobby is a part of or knows about this forum. I'm just saying, if I saw a doll on eBay listed at the original, legit price and there were photos of a legit doll, and the seller has good feedback, how is it my fault for buying it?