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Are FL's New Fairyline Considered True BJDs..?

Feb 8, 2016

    1. First of all, really sorry if this is posted under the wrong forum section. I was debating whether this belonged here or in Mini Discussions. :/
      Ever since I saw the promo video, I've been wondering-- would Fairyline bodies be considered true BJDs? I don't have one personally (hoping to get Sia someday though), so all I have to go off of is the video.
      It just seems that Fairyline are constructed more similarly to Obitsu type dolls than traditional BJDs (i.e. the arms are held in with a peg, torso sort of has an internal skeleton, many parts are held on via magnets). Then again, they mostly just showcased the body with mermaid parts.
      Sorry if this has already been brought up-- I couldn't find anything, so I figured I'd ask. I've been curious ever since I saw the demo.
      Any thoughts? ^-^
       
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    2. The fairyline looks similar to how the FL65 line are constructed. The arms are held together by their own string each, and then they magnet and lock into the torso (the "internal skeleton" you see is probably the extra hidden piece with the magnets for the arms). The FL65 line takes it even farther, each leg also hair their own separate elastic, and the torso has one elastic. LOL.
       
    3. I can't see any rational reason why they would not be considered "true BJDs". They're "dolls". They have "ball joints". And they meet the articulation requirements that DOA has set out for a doll to be considered "on topic". This question was bound to come up though because there is always someone looking to tear other people down in order to build themselves up. This kind of toxic s#%t really needs to stop. If it did I'd probably participate in this site a lot more. :(
       
      #3 Danzig, Feb 11, 2016
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    4. Uh - overreacting much? It was a valid question from a newbie (I'm only guessing OP is a newbie, of course but since she doesn't have Marketplace access, yet, it's an educated guess). If I were new to the hobby I'd be confused, too, because those Fairyline bodies are really different from your good ol' standard BJD body which usually has the arms on one loop of string and the legs on another (or two separate ones, one for each leg, depending on how you string it).

      The OP didn't personally attack you or gave you any other reason to get quite so defensive so just take a chill pill. It's probably the kind of attitude you show in your post that makes people post on BJD confession boards what a toxic place DoA is.
       
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    5. @Celestine --I found myself wondering the same thing to be perfectly honest, even after all this time. However, this is an ever-evolving hobby, and innovations do have to be taken into consideration. :)

      It's a perfectly valid question, I think, and I'm of the school of thought that the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked. ^-^
       
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    6. Oh spare me your faux outrage. It was elitist crap from DOA (the galactic hub of elitist crap) and I called it out as such. If more people did the same we might be able to clean up this place and purge the cancer at the heart of DOA before it metastasizes and kills us all.

      Why don't you go and post how much you hate me on Tumblr or some such. I'm sure that will make you feel better. :barf
       
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    7. Someone has anger issues and need to chill real quick :roll:

      I see no elitism from her question, she didn't say that they are not BJDs, she was just merely asking and I see nothing wrong with that.

      @Osaka: I agree, there's no stupid question and it will help others who have been wondering the same thing.
       
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    8. I should think the Fairyline dolls would be considered BJD and on topic here. OP thank you for drawing my attention to them, I hadn't seen them before & they are so lovely! BJDs are an ever evolving art form. I think it's very interesting to see how the engineering of doll bodies has changed over the years :)
       
    9. I can sort-of see why you might come to that conclusion based on the OP's word choice, Danzig.... "regular bjd" or even "on-topic bjd" might have been a better way to go for clarity's sake... but in the context of the rest of the post it's pretty clear that there was no value judgment attached to using "true" descriptively.

      That said, the stringing on these little dolls really is similar to the way the F65s work, as was mentioned upthread. It's not a traditional arrangement, but it's not all that far removed from what we're used to seeing, either.
       
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    10. I'm not questioning if they're 'on topic'. I realize they are. I know Obitsu's etc. are technically BJDs and I actually do consider them as such. however, many people prefer to differentiate between the resin, strung BJDs, and 'fashion doll' type BJDs. It was an honest question, as they seemed to be constructed more like the latter. I'm not trying to insult anyone, or act like I'm better in any way, shape, or form. I also don't see how a simple question should be considered toxic. I really don't want to start a fight.

      Oh wow. xD I'm already pretty awful at stringing BJDs with just two pieces of elastic. I don't know how I'm gonna manage four or five. o//o

      Although, I suppose, once the body is all together, it's much easier to swap out body/fantasy parts and such.

      Thanks for clarifying. ^-^
       
      #10 Celestine, Feb 11, 2016
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    11. @Celestine Yeah, Fairyland likes to do REALLY amazing and crazy things with their engineering, which I honestly respect a lot. They've come out with some ingenious ideas, and a lot of it has to do with making swapping fantasy parts easier. :D For example, most, if not all, FL dolls now have back and head magnets for wings and horns! Multiple strings actually also makes stringing easier, since you don't have to pull as hard (and possibly strain a muscle. LOL.) It can get confusing though, I admit. xD
       
    12. Thanks. ^-^
      I actually thought the construction looked pretty cool (no more having to take apart the whole body to change fantasy to human parts, yay)-- I just wasn't sure if they were strung or not. ^^'
       
    13. I'm not looking for a fight either, but it's this desire to "differentiate" within the BJD community that I think is toxic. By all means discuss how a doll is strung or what kind of mechanisms it has but leave the "differentiating" out of it. It feeds the already existing "us" versus "them" mentality that is prevalent in the BJD community.

      As for this issue at hand, many dolls are strung differently from from might be considered "normal" or "standard". For example, the upper and lower bodies of some Iplehouse dolls (for example the JID girl) are strung independently from one another and the upper and lower body parts are then strung together. If you were to ask if they are not "real" BJDs you'd probably find many people having psychotic breaks. So by all means discuss the intricacies of particular dolls but leave the judgement, and the classification, and the "differentiation" out of it. For the sake of building a more harmonious community where no one is made to feel that their doll isn't good enough.

      As far as "fashion" dolls or "fashion" BJDs go, "fashion" is a reference to the doll's size, nothing else. Specifically a small-sized doll that is meant to represent a young adult or adult. Take for example Dollshe's new "Fashion BJDs". They are literally identical in every way to their larger SD counterparts except they are MSD size. You should take a look at their website because they're pretty damn impressive (Home - DollShe craft). But that's all that "fashion" means. At least that's all it's supposed to mean.
       
    14. MODERATION

      Any more fighting, arguing, or obscenities and this thread will be closed. The question as to whether or not the Fairyline dolls would be considered ball joint dolls in a traditional (using ball joints and strung) sense is a perfectly valid question.
      If this cannot be discussed without members finding a reason to be offended by the subject, the thread will be closed.
       
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    15. I think they are. I got to play with a friend's Sia recently and I was really impressed by the way the arms and bust can be swapped easily. I think it's just the next logical step from some of the innovations built into lines like the F65s and the C-lines, but it's more noticeable because the Fairy Line actually has the fantasy parts to utilize them.

      You have to remember that there was a time when all dolls were single jointed and relatively simple, but that's changed over the years as new ideas filtered in. Fairyland has always been an innovative company, from the first crazy jointed PukiPuki to the "Active" lines. I don't think of it as not "true", just another evolutionary step. Whether it sticks or becomes a dead end is really the only question in my mind; it doesn't impact their legitimacy as BJDs.
       
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