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Artists Using Doll Likenesses without Crediting [Mijn Schatje discussion]

May 31, 2009

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    1. Oizys, I'm so curious, if you "desaturate" the image before you Live Trace it, do you get a better result? Mijn's works do have her own color palette, so she doesn't need the color info...
      Also, I haven't done more with Illustrator than read through a tutorial or two, so I don't even know if you *can* desat in Illustrator (I'm a Photoshop geek:)
       
      #761 fishcake, Jun 5, 2009
    2. That was what I was trying to say lol fail.
      But yeah and you can very easily color change, just select the layer with the color, and change.
      There's a billion ways to flip, rotate, scale and sheer. (can't spell, sorry) and they're all very easy, click of a mouse, drag and pull and there you go. Takes moments to reuse and fit it into whatever place you want it.
      Makes her actual tracing and work for each image be... The face a body and putting bits into place. Goes from... A weeks time to a few days maybe?
      These are my guesses of course.
       
      #762 Oizys, Jun 5, 2009
    3. Actually that is a myth. As I have said before here, if it were to come to a court case (from About.com, several other internet sources, and a lawyer of my aquaintance) it comes to this: a jury of ordinary people is shown the original, the copy, and any manipulation that was done. If they say "it's a copy," the copyist loses the case. As About.com said, paraphrased since most cases go in favor of the original artist you would be insane to take that chance.
       
      #763 Victoria Victrix, Jun 5, 2009
    4. Victoria Victrix is right, in the US it is "the man on the street" test, where you are pretty much at the mercy of the jury's opinion. It used to be "seven points of difference", but I think that got tossed during the Carter Administration or something, and now we go by eyeball.
       
      #764 fishcake, Jun 5, 2009
    5. That is interesting! Especially considering that all of these near identical overlays are like 20+ smoking guns, a pair of bloody gloves that fit, a confession tape, and high definition security footage all smushed in to one colorful package. :lol::lol:
       
      #765 sadistic_x_blood, Jun 5, 2009
    6. All right, before I do this, I would like to take an informal poll. I'm now considering going to art and illustration magazines in the US about this. I am a professional writer, and with radiotrash's help. I can certainly put together an actual article about how this fraud was perpetrated IF any of them ask me to do so (as opposed to having one of their in-house editors do it).

      So here are my questions:

      First: do you want me to start contacting art and graphics magazines.

      Second: if they ask for an article, would you like me to do one?

      IF they actually paid me for the sucker, I would ask them instead to donate the fee to charity (Make A Wish seems like a good place).

      Edit: I know we have writers for Haute Doll and FDQ here, anyone want to contact THEM?
       
      #766 Victoria Victrix, Jun 5, 2009
    7. That is interesting! Especially considering that all of these near identical overlays are like 20+ smoking guns, a pair of bloody gloves that fit, a confession tape, and high definition security footage all smushed in to one colorful package.

      Would any of the graphic artists in the audience like to render this? XD
       
      #767 saintsavin, Jun 5, 2009
    8. You can always desat in PS and transfer it to Illustrator. I should give it a try though...
       
      #768 Oizys, Jun 5, 2009
    9. Yes! I think that you should contact them. I totally support you in this Victoria Victrix. Many know who you are and I think your name would carry weight if this went to press.
       
      #769 NabeeRain, Jun 5, 2009
    10. I definitely think you should start contacting magazines if Mijn continues her current stance of lying and continuing to put out copied works. Even moreso if she doesn't apologize. If they'd want an article on it, I personally think that'd be a good idea - not everyone browses this corner of the internet, and people do have a right to know the truth about her works.

      I also agree that your experience as a professional writer would help in the matter. =)
       
      #770 Sonja, Jun 5, 2009
    11. Victoria Victrix - I say go for it! I think it would be good and if it is just you doing it and not a billion and one different people it's not an overwhelming assult and. Okay blah blah blah I'll avoid a rant and just say do it.
      Make a Wish is good. Or animals. Animals are always good to give to.
       
      #771 Oizys, Jun 5, 2009
    12. I agree, do the article! At least if people still like her work, they'll no longer be under the impression that she came up with the look.

      Just think of this BJD publicity O.o
       
      #772 E.Hadrian, Jun 5, 2009
    13. Do it! As someone who knows a lot of street artists who are trying to "go pro" The fact that she's been featured on Juxtapose's website really irks me. And I saw reference to Hi-fructose as well?! There are legitimate artists that should be getting the money and contracts she is accepting by doing this.

       
      #773 wc_dragon, Jun 5, 2009
    14. Definitely go for it. There is no way this person should profit from other people's work. At the very least their reputation should reflect what they are really doing - tracing other people's work.

      That's crazy if she's been referenced in Hi-frutose when she traced Audrey Kawasaki's work.
       
      #774 Darkrogue, Jun 5, 2009
    15. Reebok contacted. I believe they take image theft very seriously.
       
      #775 Victoria Victrix, Jun 5, 2009


    16. Actually DON'T... not until the companies involved as well as the galleries are fully aware of what is going on. Perhaps waiting until the legal actions start. You don't want to get sued for libel or def of character. Also While they might be interested, they probably will not touch it until said time.

      I know it can kill you but wait a month. Then once all the statements have been made, go for it!
       
      #776 yalissa, Jun 5, 2009
    17. I agree; hold off until we know for certain one way or another about any possible lawsuits. Magazines won't want to hear that someone may or may not have done something illegal; they like a proper, juicy scandal complete with lawyers rattling their sabres to get their teeth into - at which point you'll have the inside scoop.
       
      #777 Arkady, Jun 5, 2009
    18. The sad reality – someone’ll always get famous for swiping a less popular form of art, redoing it, and redistributing it. The fact that it seems so blatant is what scares me.

      I know the BJD world is like that of many collectible trends – you either know, or you don’t – but you’d think people in the art world would check these things out. Guess not, as this woman’s made a name for herself, and a lot of money. It’s a good thing someone did catch it.

      What’s even better is that the word is getting spread, especially to the right ears who have the pull to make sure something appropriate is done about this. Fan artists get ripped off a lot by the big corporations, it’s sort of funny that the reverse is the basis of this issue.

      (An aside, I wish I’d gone public with something I’d seen a MMORPG company do! Maybe I wouldn’t have gotten the brush-off…)
       
      #778 Shinta, Jun 5, 2009
    19. I don't have a MySpace account to comment, but has anyone let this group know their "cover art" is traced Audrey Kawasaki?

      http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.viewcustom&friendId=87625&blogId=244852030&swapped=true

      I don't see any reason to wait, other than for the companies to be notified. Waiting for "legal action" is silly. No one waits for that before writing an expose and no one is going to have a libel or defemation of character suit against them for bringing attention to a something suspect.
       
      #779 Darkrogue, Jun 5, 2009
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