Artists Using Doll Likenesses without Crediting [Mijn Schatje discussion]

I wouldn't mind what that guy wrote. From his rant I gathered he was speaking about David Hockney's Camera Obsura theory. Yeah like "Caravaggio used photography

 

HAHA, VV, I LOVE IT. Ahaha that is so excellent.

 

Yes, his jump from camera obscura to printed photograph was pretty funny. Because sitting in darkened box with a pinhole in it to get an idea of perspective is exactly like making prints using an SLR or digital camera! Sounds like someone didn't learn a whole lot in his art history class.

To those who keep going on about Picasso saying it's okay to steal, perhaps they should show us specific instances of where he plagiarized-- because they're equating that word "steal" (which has a really specific meaning in this context) with Mijn's plagiarism. I'm having a hard time imagining him going up to other artists works with pencil and tracing paper, somehow, which would be the technological equivalent of what Mijn has been doing.

 

I have the urge to use this quote:

"If Picasso jumped off a cliff would you jump off a cliff??"
~quote attributed to parents everywhere


"Talent borrows, genius steals"
...and if genius steals in 2009, genius may be in legal hot water.

 

Haha ah I love you guys! And like someone said before, if someone plagiarized his precious little books, he'd feel a LOT differently!

 

I'm just sickened by other artists stealing work sometimes.

In art school my teacher used to quote all the time "Good artists copy. Great artists steal." ~ Pablo Picasso (<-personally didn't care for this quote). But to once again quote another artist "Creativity is the subtle theft of another's ideas." . That being said "subtle" stealing is one thing. I believe like so many that she has done more than subtle.

 

xD We were just talking about that quote, read the last page or so. Good points were made about it.

 

I think all those quotes, at least as people seem to be understanding them these days, are utterly offensive to anyone who tries hard to think outside the box and bring new ideas into the world : \ It's like saying that people who steal without being noticed or caught are more skilled than people who work their lives trying to breath life into new and unique ideas.

Agh!! This is what disgusts me most about this whole ordeal.

 

Anyone ever notice that the people who wave that quote about stealing around like a flag are also the people who never really produce anything themselves? Or if they do...it's stolen, and they're trying to justify themselves?

 

That's a good point. Either that, or the subject matter of whatever is being stolen is of no interest to them, so they don't care.

 

Hi I just found this pic on DA:

http://adriano10.deviantart.com/art/november-106487697?offset=25#comments

And got furiois. Obviusly a Luts Kid Delf Cherry editet etc. and shown as his own artwork~
What makes it even worst, it seems to be a photo by a dollowner, not an official picture.
I really DOUBT the owner gave his permisson.

Maybe the owner can comment on his picture~

 

"Good artists copy. Great artists steal." ~ Pablo Picasso


What Picasso meant was not that it is okay to steal as in trace someone's work.
He meant to take an idea, even if that idea has been presented before and to transform it into something new.

Another quote I like is...

An idea is a point of departure and no more. As soon as you elaborate it, it becomes transformed by thought.
Pablo Picasso

A good article on the first quote can be found here...

http://www.businessofdesignonline.com/picasso-good-artists-copy/

It's one thing to take an idea and transform it so it totally becomes something unique and yours, at that point people MIGHT be able to tell where you got the idea from but they will realize it is a total departure from the original and so then your own.
(None of this condones tracing, copyright theft, or plagiarizing)

 

Yep, exactly. The intent was the reinterpretation of -ideas-, not source material.

It never fails to amaze me how people who are capable of creating on their own understand that principle so profoundly and easily, and how people who can't? Well, I'll just hush before I get way too unkind to people like our dear Mijn and her lackwit supporters who are in the midst of doing precisely that.

 

Well I'm glad people commented on that deviant, let's hope he does the right thing. The fact that he never mentioned dolls at all, though, worries me. He's trying to pass of off as completely his like Mijn did.

 

Because he thinks she is getting away with it?

 

But I'm sure that Picasso meant referencing. You see someone else's idea and it inspires you to run with it using your own techniques, ideas, etc. It would be like me seeing another photographer do super close ups of everyday items to make them look abstract. I would say, "That is so frikkin' awesome!" and go grab camera to experiment with super close ups with things around me. The only thing I am taking from the photographer is the idea of close ups making good abstracts. Making that idea work for me would be my own doing. While I'm doing that I find that crouching down and giving it a different angle makes it even better. That's how one "runs with it" and makes it their own.

 

Well I found the Jack Sparrow picture he used (it's a screen cap):
http://jeffreykishner.com/images/captain_jack_sparrow.jpg
And I think I've seen the originals for several other pictures you used... like the Willy Wonka (what can I say? I'm a Johnny Depp fan girl) which came from the DVD cover.

Or the Charlie Chaplin:
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-california/CharlieChaplin.jpg

So... um... yeah... looks like everything is just filtered.

Edit:
I reported both the Jack Sparrow and the Charlie Chaplin. Disney kicks butts if they find filters slapped on their images... and Charlie... Well that image has a signature on it from the photography studio. It was edited out and not mentioned. Copyright is death plus 70. Charlie died in 1977. His family still owns his likeness, especially since the photo is of his Little Tramp character. (I have a fondness for Charlie, he's a local celebrity since he had a film studio in our town and he filmed "The Tramp" here.)

 

That's assuming the owner of the picture uses deviantArt.

 

Wow, that's even more blatant than Mijn's stuff.