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But I wanted THAT faceup...

Aug 18, 2023

    1. Looking for some advice! I ordered a doll because I loved the company faceup. I'm aware that the actual faceup you receive isn't as polished/ has some differences as painted by different artist etc. I have bought four other dolls from the company over the years and the faceups have all be very good and very close to the promotional pictures so wasn't too worried.

      However i've just received the doll and the faceup is...so bad. Not only doesn't it not match the promo faceup, the faceup itself is badly done. So this puts me in a bit of a difficult spot. I basically wanted something very close to the company faceup. I can't send the head to a different artist to re-faceup because I would be asking them to copy the company and that's a no-no and I don't really want a different faceup.

      So is it a case of 'if the company can't reproduce it's own faceup, THAT particular face up isn't obtainable'? :sweat
       
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    2. Artist say they wont copy other artists cause they don't want to be known for copying and also no two styles are exactly alike so it wouldn't be a perfect 1:1 and they don't want to deal with the drama from either of those issues. That said I would find an artist with a similar style or a style you like, take a picture of your doll's current faceup (not the company faceup) and tell them to recreate it in their style. Key being "in their style". You can give directives and improvements on what you want for them to do to your head. I've never had an artist have a problem with that.

      Another option is to find examples of things your like in their own work, or google and use people makeup examples that are similar to the company faceup and give them those pictures.

      But if the faceup from the company is THAT bad and the rest from the company were good, I would email them and ask about the quality control to see if you can get another one. They might be a bit put off about it but seeing as you've already bought 4 dolls from them I can't imagine them not wanting to work with you in some way as a repeat customer. Before you do that though search IG and Weibo (you dont need an acct to search but you do need to put in the chinese name of the doll/company if applicable in the correct characters to get the right results) to see if you can find other company face ups of that sculpt and how it compares to yours. You will definitely have a case if yours is just bad and everyone else's is good but if its all bad I probably wouldn't ask for a redo, although in that case its likely a completely different artist did the promo faceup).
       
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    3. I feel you. One of my favorite mini-size doll companies has had a distinct style of faceup for years, and which I love. But lately they're letting their artists do faceups that do not match the promo pictures. I received a male doll with a faceup so heavily blushed on cheeks and chin and over-lashed so much that it definitely needs to be on a girl doll (it came on the boy body as I ordered). Not that it's done badly, but is so off the mark that I'm hesitant about ordering direct from the company any more.

      My feeling is if your artists want more leeway in style, give a style A and B (or more) option for ordering, or even an option for "artist's own style". But otherwise, if I order a faceup and there's only one option shown, it should be that faceup.
       
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    4. Okay, I didn't add photos of the faceup as I didn't want the discussion to be distracted by comparing faceups instead of addressing the question I asked. But it might help clear up any confusion to have the visuals-
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      Of concern is-
      The eyebrows are different heights, lengths, thickness and colors (a little hard to see on the front on photo)
      There is almost no shading on the upper eyelids.
      The shading on the lower eyelids is well below the eye rim (in the middle/end of the lashes) so there is a noticeable gap (it looks like she hasn't been getting enough sleep lately :XD:)
      The blushing on the cheeks is heavy and noticeably heavier on the left side
      The nose is very heavily blushed (this is the biggest issue as I personally hate red noses so I can't stand the way this looks)
      The mouth is a different shape (I loved the mouth shape, it was one of the key things that made me choose the faceup)

      The only things that match and are well done are the eyelashes and eye fold lines. So it's weird to have some bits skillfully done and the rest be so clumsy. :eek:
       
      #4 Epicari, Aug 18, 2023
      Last edited: Aug 18, 2023
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    5. I had the same problem with a loongsoul face up. It was so orange and soft while the promo pictures were strong and masculine on a big male doll. I'm now just living with that tbh, but it's still on my mind.

      I did get a face up from a company once where the forgot some things and my friend who does face ups just added missing parts. You could go to an artist for having it touched up but I'm not sure they'd want to do you'd have to ask. Things like the blush can be fixed. Honestly though since you don't like tbf red nose, I would have it removed and ask an artist for something new. You could tell them you want the mouth in this shape etc, but still have it their own style, like the others say.
       
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    6. Yes, i've been in the art world for a long time and I know it's really bad etiquette to ask an artist to copy another artists style. So I wasn't too surprised to find that's also the case with faceup artists!

      I'm probably not understanding this because i'm tried, but i'm a bit confused as to why I would ask an artist to recreate a faceup that is bad and I hate? But it does suggest a possible workaround. It might work to create a digital mock up that has the key things that is liked about the company faceup but some changes to the non-essential bits so it's not an exact copy. I wonder if that would be acceptable?


      The funny thing is, I bought this sculpt when they first released it and the faceup was a good match on the promo images. They re-released the sculpt with some improvements and new faceup which I fell in love with. My plan was for it to be a non-identical twin to my original doll.
      One thing I did notice with the last doll I received from them is that the blushing was more heavy handed than usual. I think they've brought on a new artist who does thee spray paint and it seems like thier work is getting much worse rather than better. That's why I have doubts now that the company can actually do the faceup! :sweat
       
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    7. I see why you are disappointed and I think that if you pick out an artist who works in a similar style, explain your situation to them, and if it's okay to do it in their style but you just want the same make up features or "feel" as the original, most would be happy to oblige. Yes some may not be cool with it, but this isn't such an unusual face up style that you wouldn't be able to find an artist who would be comfortable using the company promo pictures as a reference.
      I think the main concern, is that no artist wants to be a plagiarist. They could also be wary that it could be used in some shady way, like the possibility that someone would use a fake "company" make up as proof of legitimacy, on an illegitimate doll. So they will surely tell you, I can't copy this exactly. But if you just want the same type of make up such as lip shape and blush amounts etc, it's not something that's particularly unique to this design in the promo photos. It all depends on your expectation here and how you communicate that to the artist.
       
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    8. From what you wrote I assumed what you hated is the quality not the style/type of faceup, correct? From the pictures you posted of company promo vs what you received it looks near exact except for the quality/detail level and the heavy handed blushing. There are lots of faceup artists whose own styles are very similar to the company's style you've shown in the promo photo. It's a pretty classic/standard style, with no unique tattoos/markings, so finding someone who can do it shouldn't prove difficult.

      Once you do find someone, as I previously said give them directives and improvements (colors/more detail) on what you want for them to do in their particular style (i.e. a similar style of brow/lip/lashes/etc from their portfolio that matches the style from the company photo). They can get the overall vibe of what you want from the photo of your own doll. A good artist wont send you back a shoddy quality faceup because the reference pic you sent of an existing faceup was poor quality lol.
       
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    9. I'm reminded of a tweet thread someone wrote about autism and how some struggle with substitutions. And I think that part of what I'm struggling with. I don't want any old faceup, I want something very close as it's the combination of specific details that is making my brain say 'yes'. I think that's what's making me nervous about getting a different artist faceup as it's going to be a gamble on whether I'm going to like what they come up with. (it also doesn't help that there's only a few UK faceup artists so limited on style matching) :sweat
       
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    10. I don't think you're being unreasonable. One of the main reasons I buy heads is for specific face-ups. I've had that problem with Doll Leaves. I bought such a cute boy and when I got him it was like, "UHHHHHHHH?????" It is actually so off key that I'm still considering selling it. FML.
       
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    11. I have to say, at first glance, they look very similar. However, the nose and mouth REALLY stand out as not the same. Try contacting the company and point out the differences (like circle them in the photos if you need to) and ask if it could be redone...or some amount refunded. It never hurts to try.

      If the company can't help, getting it redone is your option (besides selling it). I can't say I know any face up artists who do that style but I am sure they are out there.
       
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    12. Have you tried contacting them about it?
       
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    13. Well, personally I have to say: wow, that's not the same Faceup at all. I don't think it even matters to discuss "skill". The lips are painted completely differently, different style and different outcome. The nose in the Faceup you wanted is blushed pink lightly on the bridge, and the one you got is blushed heavily on the end of the nose (the crying nose I call it). I think other differences are possibly "error" but I really feel for you because this is simply not the same design, no matter who executed it.

      In my own humble opinion... I believe it should not be a problem to find an artist you can take the original company Faceup image to and even the image of what you received and tell them about what was important about image 1 and the problems in image 2 and someone with a suitable style should be able and most likely willing to help you out. Artists are different about their opinion on the level of details that constitute copying. I'm not trying to advocate habits of specific copying but this company faceup was a pretty natural Choice of look for the doll.... it's different than copying a very specific unique style or an OC Faceup with distinctive markings. The artist will have to do it "their own way" is really what I think it comes down to on something like this.

      I really hope you can get it sorted out. Would definitely have been a bummer for me too.
       
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    14. My goodness, the general color tones aren't close either in addition to placement, it's very unfortunate. I think it would be a good idea to reach out to the company and see what they are willing to do to fix this. If you are put off of them fixing it, I completely understand. I typically order blank dolls because it seems like my personal nightmare to have this happen.
      I'd also say, personally company face-ups very much are on the table for me as references for my own dolls, and I will offer tweaks to them as needed. I expect an artist to not copy it perfectly as it's what I intend. It's what I've done with Giselle, and will do if I cannot obtain what I need from a company face-up.
       
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    15. Even I as a newbie think this is really bad execution of the make up. It looks not at all like the picture.
      I would contact the company asap.
       
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    16. Thanks for all the replies, I will need to take a proper look through them :thumbup

      But a quick update, I contacted the dealer to let them know I wasn't happy with the face-up and why. I suggested a refund for the face-up as a resolution and the company has agreed to it. The dealer also said they were going to stop taking orders for the company as they have had complaints from other buyers about the face-ups.
      So it seems it's not just me being super picky which makes me feel a bit less of a jerk about complaining. I'm guessing the company had a change happen with their face-up artists and the new artist/s are struggling to match the skill of the older artist/s. Tbh it's a shame as it was one of my favorite companies so i'm hoping they'll be able to resolve the issue soon! :sweat
       
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    17. Glad you could get it resolved, but I'm really sorry that the company face up came out like this.
      It's definitely not just you being dissapointed by their face-ups. Purchased a doll from them last year and had the same problem as well. I was super disappointed by the lips, it was like they missed a layer there. I always order company face-ups and so far this only one I'm thinking about getting redone.

      [​IMG]
      ode
       
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    18. I don't think that anyone thought you were being a jerk here. They clearly missed the mark by a lot. It's just out of the ordinary that a dollmaker would agree to redo or refund a face up, they're always putting in these disclaimers to avoid it if the issue arises. So it's fantastic news that they have sided with you! Now you can use that refund to have it done more like you expected and fall back in love with the doll :hug:
       
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    19. I bought a blank doll through a dealer once, and after a bunch of runaround to get my doll shipped to me they finally offered me one with body blushing if I'd pay the difference for it. I looked at the promo images and the work looked nice, just not what I planned but I figured at least the doll would be painted since I wouldn't get around to my project right away. Man, when this doll arrived! Instead of a range of pinks, reds, dark reds creating a layered look, the whole thing was just done in bright rash red, no nuance or care.

      When I mentioned it in the company thread, most of the replies were just, "Oh, yeah, their faceups/blushing are not worth it."
      So now I do check for that kind of feedback before buying from a company I've never dealt with before.

      I don't know if "unblushing " a nose can be done, but you could send a head with an underwhelming company faceup to a faceup artist willing to paint over existing work. They could over paint the lips to look like you want, add more to the eyelids and even out the brows and cheek blushing.
       
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    20. That´s a clever move, unless they find skilled artists which are able to match the promo pics.
      I´m scared of receiving something that doesn´t match the pictures/description.
       
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