Do you believe that some owners mistreat their dolls?

I was seeing how my DOI Luke would stand when ge arrived.. He was standing like a champ.. then he lost his balance and fell.. He broke 3 fingers and my heart fell.. I was in depressed and sad.. We re-attached his fingers and moved on. I keep promissing him new hands (with joints)

I can't picture harming him on purpose..

Then again some people do horrible things to their doll as part of the story line.. So is mistreating them as part of the story line ok.. I don't think so.. But there are those who do it..

 

Well i think not much of someone who buys his doll tojust throw it away on theground or just not taking care about it. Because for example now: There is a limited doll stock and one person who thinks the doll is just fancy purchases it but then he just careless after time, you on the other side who would have done everything for the doll didnt get any. Now this i think is really unfair, and i think the people should just sell it after some time if they werent so intrested.

But also i think its their money and their dolls. They can do everything with it.

 

I have to say.. Dolls are inanimated objects, just like some people had said here befoe. But for me, I know I'll be treating my future BJD as my own baby. I would find it odd if anybody would want to just throw their dolls and not care about it, when the doll is actually expensive. But then again, it's their money.

Also their very great damn loss. If they want to do that, might as well give the dolls to people who wants them so badly and who deserves them. Lol.

 

My Karin is precious to me. I make sure that when I sit her some where or have her stand somewhere(I never leave her standing all day, but when she stands for a photo) that she'll be safe.

I understand that Karin is a doll. However this doll is something I CARE about. Though she may not be real, why would I want to hurt something I care about?

 

I think that the hobby has different meanign to different people. Maybe part of teh hobby for one person is sheltering their from all harm. Whil to other it may mean, playing the heck of their doll. I don't know what would be counted as doll abuse, though, because they cannot tell us if somethign is hurting them or makign them uncomfortable.

As an example, if there is someone who swings their doll around by their legs, to the person owning the doll that may be an action that their doll enjoys.

Because we make the personalities, likes and dislikes for our doll. We decided what abuse is for our doll. I leave my doll sitting in the dark when I got out, but in her personality that I made for her, that is actually one of her hobbies. So, to me, it is not abuse becasue she is interested in her alone time.

I don't think I would particularly enjoy breaking their doll, but I can not help what the hobby means to them. It is the line for what is considered doll abuse and what is not considered is very vague and blurry. It is a case by case judgement that only the owner can really make.

 

I think that the hobby has different meanign to different people. Maybe part of teh hobby for one person is sheltering their from all harm. Whil to other it may mean, playing the heck of their doll... Because we make the personalities, likes and dislikes for our doll. We decided what abuse is for our doll. I leave my doll sitting in the dark when I got out, but in her personality that I made for her, that is actually one of her hobbies. So, to me, it is not abuse becasue she is interested in her alone time.

One way to look at it: Some people consider the doll an art object, and others consider the same doll an art tool. Because when a doll "demands" that I buy it, or "tells" me its name, I'm using that doll as a "tool" to unlock my creativity, or my subconscious, the same way an artist uses pigments on canvas. And the people who do faceups, costuming, and elaborate photostories are patently "using" their dolls as instruments, even though we joke about the dolls using *us* as servants!

I think most BJD collectors, especially the self-selected DoA collectors, consider their precious "soul children" to fall somewhere along a continuum between ArtObject and ArtTool -- the sort of collectors who keep their BJDs under lock & key in museum-quality storage conditions and only tell their insurance adjuster about their new possession probably wouldn't enjoy these forums. At the same time, we all have different standards along that continuum, so that one collector's "abuse" (re-dressing a limited edition, re-painting an expensive faceup, using a tiny as one's travel doll, cutting off or sanding down resin) will always be another collector's "only way I can enjoy this thing I've spent so much money/time/effort on". Even in the case of the reckless owners who damage multiple dolls... you could argue it's better someone like that should be stepping on doll hands and leaving expensive resin neglected on a sunbaked windowsill, than if that person were expending their scattered energies and inattention on real children or animals.

 

I believe that some owner's make too big of a deal over what other owner's do with their dolls.

I've had people tell me that my doll was dirty and that his hair was unkempt. I guess to them I was abusing my doll.... My whole thing is, I love it when people tell me about my doll like I don't know. "OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS?? IS MY DOLL'S HAIR REALLY... MESSY!?" Yeah, I knew that. Thanks, go be inanimate with your lifeless shell of a toy.

To me, however, I just like to keep mine close by. I take mine outside, play with them, ruffle their hair and put them in the bed with me. They eat with me, watch movies with me, sit in my lap and so on and so forth.

If they happen to get a little bit dirty or their hair tends to get messed up... then I'd say I'm doing a great job of loving my dolls. I'd go so far to say that I'm treating them much better than someone that only touches their doll long enough to dress them.

So what if my doll has a smudge? It's MY doll.... I'm fully aware of what he looks like.... not to mention, my doll that goes everywhere with me... is supposed to be fourteen. How many super clean, perfect hair boys do you know? They play outside and have a good time with their friends. Mine just looks accurate to his age. ^_^

That's how i feel about it.

 

Oh, sorry for the double post... but i went through and was reading the majority of these posts to see if anyone felt how I did and I came across alot of people that had a problem with the word "abuse"

a·buse (-byz)
tr.v. a·bused, a·bus·ing, a·bus·es
1. To use wrongly or improperly; misuse
2. To hurt by maltreatment; ill-use.
n. (-bys)
1. Improper use or handling; misuse
2. Physical maltreatment.

Technically.... that word is more than accurate. Abuse is the proper word.

 

Who cares? They obviously don't. If they are dumb enough to pay in the hundreds or thousands and then mess it up, its on them.

Not much you can say or do...but feel bad for the doll.

 

I take this matter very seriously actually.
Seeing this sort of inspires me, and de-spires me as an artist.
I hope to some day make these 'dolls' these 'none living HUNKS OF RESIN'
<_< Sure its a hunk of resin, but it is hand made, some thing that a person put allot of hard work and emotion into.

How many people Draw pictures here? Or Paint?
Or spend hours on sewing a beautiful gown?
Sure, they aren't living things, but they are works of art.

Would you like to know that your drawing that you stayed up all night working on, just got ripped to shreds? Or The gown you sewn, was simply tossed in the mud to some rabid animals to tug on?

Also, there is a total difference between 'modding' some thing, and destroying it. <_< [For any one that would want to say 'moding is the same or w/e.]
I wont let some one buy some thing from me, for no amount of money; after I put countless hours of time into that "thing", just so they can ruin it.

Now, I wouldn't consider 'yellowing' or messy hair, mis-use or abuse, or just in general a bad thing to do. [Yellowing happens to old things, or fading. That doesn't mean its being hurt. Just means its aging, like every thing else. As for messy hair <_< well... I happen to think messy hair is the best looking kinda hair out there.]

PS; Don't worry thread starter, I catch your drift. You are Obviously talking only about mis-use of dolls, leading to doll horror.
Considering this is a DOLL site, any thing else is pretty much off topic...
Oh and another thing. Not every one is a 100% A student in Vocabulary, gamer, sentence structure, and using proper words. I can totally relate to accidentally once in a while being 'incorrect.' [Sorry for getting off topic.]

PPS/PSS; Sorry. I didn't actually chose to come in this topic. I stole the lap top from my girl friend after catching a glimpse of what she was reading. I cant control my .... 'debate/rantfull ness' [I couldn't control myself!] I'll be leaving now <_< *Giant space robot loom* 'IGNORE ME!'
*runs away to hide from the debate section for ever, once again.*

 

my two cents:

Yes there are things that eppel coudl see as mistreating. i know that i've done a few things that alot of owners would never do/put/allow their dolls to do but that doesnt mean im a bad owner. I put my hard earned money into it and if i want to do something that will damage, break or other wise devalue their dolls who are we to condem them.

As for modding, once again we've paid quite a bit to get a doll and thats just one more thing that people can do to make them theirs. A "one of a kind" so to say. it's perfectly fine. it's not like i spent 600+ dollars on a doll that i've found a way to "fix" or alter

 

Course some people mistreat there dolls, but either way theres nothing we can do about it,

 

Really.. you guys are taking the term abuse WAY too seriously. :/ NO ONE has compared 'doll abuse' to something like child or animal abuse. That is in no way what this debate is about (at least, from what I gather).

Anyway.. yes, I do believe there are some people that probably 'mistreat' their dolls - but then again, it IS their doll to do with what they please. No one SHOULD leave their doll laying on the floor, or try to scrape paint off of their eyelids with a knife, or do their faceup with a sharpie or poster paint.. but if they do, no one else has the right to tell them they can't.

 

I have to say that I think that once a person buys a doll it's theirs to do whatever they want with it. Like I know several very protective people and I have yet to get a doll but am ordering one very soon, I think even though i am usually very careless with everything else i can't really judje other people, but after spending so much money on a doll they should take care of a doll how ever they want even though it saddens me to see them mistreated. But they are not living things and people can treat them however they want, but i don't think i could think very highly of a person who mistreats them to much.

 

I think a lot of people just get dolls without realizing how much work and care and love they should put into it. I've been seeking all the advice I can for when I finally get a doll, that way I know the proper way to take care of it when it gets here. But I think a lot of people don't do that and end up hurting their dolls, like putting them in places they can get easily broken or damaging the resin in general

 

*blinks* Wow. People seem to have really strong opinions on this. I LOVE BJDs with all my heart. I have over a dozen of them. I do not clean them very regularly though I do change their clothes and set up little play scenes with them (often where they get dirty!). I display them all over my house, wherever I feel they should be that day, and so they are often sitting in the sun. I yank their clothes off and switch their outfits and put messy wigs on them and make them dance around. I like to play with my dolls because I LOVE them and they remind me of my childhood. I do not take better care of them than I did with my $9.99 Barbie dolls when I was a little girl but I cherish them just as much--and knowing how much a little girl can love something means that I love them a WHOLE LOT! Am I mistreating them? Am I stupid? Careless? Negligent?

Yes, I realize that they cost a whole lot of money. I paid it after all! But I did not BUY them because they were expensive and collectable! I bought them because they were beautiful and cutomizable and SO MUCH FUN to play with! That is WHY I purchased them and it makes me a little sad that so many people on this forum must think that I am stupid or careless. I LOVE my little boys. I show that love through my manhandling, my child-like adoration, and my love of dolly play. I have found people on this forum to be very kind and I really hope they can respect that just because I spend hours playing with my dolls instead of hours washing them or protecting them from sunlit areas, that does NOT make me foolish or negligent.

We all have our little loves for different reasons and I think that we should accept that those reasons are different. Maybe if you "hurt" your doll simply because you don't give a damn about it then you are being negligent. I don't even know if I accept THAT. But just because what I do with my dolls may seem like neglect or mistreatment to others, I know in my heart that I love them SO much and doing things that others think is stupidity is, to me, LOVING them. They are my toys and I just want to play with them without worrying constantly if I'm gonna mess 'em up!

*shrugs* I just think that we must understand exactly people's motives for treating their dolls the way they do before we judge them.

And I believe *wholeheartedly* that my boys are loved and that no one should be wincing at their mistreatment.

 

hey its their dolls and their money, let em do as they please don't get bent out of shape because your jealous >>shrug<<

 

People can pretty much do whatever they want with there money and if they want to treat there 600$ doll like crap then I guess they can, I don't really care. Though can be a little disheartening to see something that could of had good potential to be really beautiful go to waste.

 

Well, they are their dolls and not mine. Some may treat them in ways that I would not. Sometimes it makes me cringe, but at the end of the day, it's not my concern.

If it's a limited or something, it hurts a bit more because I know there only so many in existence and one of them is now mucked up or could be soon. But it's not as though if that doll weren't in their hands it would automatically be in mine.

 

I like dolls that are played with. A friend of mine has several limiteds and they are all well played with. My dolls gets played with, sometimes they fall and sometimes they get dirty. That does not mean they are abused (none of them are broken yet), it means they are used. The children and the elderly (whom I work with) gets to play with them too.