Dollzone Originality - Discuss it here.

Hound's joints ALSO look a lot like Yukinojo's.... (Yes, I have been notified Hound came first). At least from what I can see in those photographs. The exact shape isn't the same, but the mechanism of how they're put together deffinately shared a common origin.

Sooo... why wasn't Yukinojo ever under suspicion of copying hound for having the same joints? *curious* I mean, not copying the actual pieces, since it's obvious they didn't, but the mechanism of joint. Also, didn't CP have those shoulder joint cups long before Yukinojo ever got them? And I haven't seen them on older Volks (though I haven't seen many, so I could be wrong) So wouldn't *that* be inspiration from another doll company, too?

If anything, I think the new DZ boy looks a ton more like the Hound than he does the Yukinojo when closely compared.

 

Well, the hands feet and ankles look like a dead ringer to me ^^ Thanks for the pictures (and pst, yeah they have been modded slightly, in the same stlyes as all their other ones).

 

I really can't understand how somebody can think those...you're gonna have to forgive me, UGLY feet are a copy.

 

After seeing a hound and yukinojo in person....no their joints are not the same. Actually I think even pictures show this quite clearly, but it's even more obvious in person.

As for the new comparison pics. Hmmm....the joint structures of the DZ and SD16 are too alike to me. And then there's the fact that all the DZ joints seem overly "inspired" by the SD16. One or two is one thing, but all of them at once? It's too much. Though I'm not so sure the actual body sculpt is a copy. But then this really doesn't change things for me considering that their copy of kid delf Woori pretty much was enough for me to decide to never support this company.

Anyway, thanks for the comparison pics! It's interesting seeing all the different doll sculpts side by side.

 

I have a Megi, personally, I think all DZ feet are ugly. Its a trademark XP

I'm with you on this one though. The joints are suspicious (to me anyways) but the feet, I don't see where anyone is getting that the feet are copied.

 

The feet do look totally different to me.

 

I still disagree, it still looks very much like a modified SD16 to me.

The lineup is great, btw! (I didn't realize Kiss was so tall!)

 

Just for completeness' sake, since someone mentioned Unoa Lights and their three-part knees in the other thread:



Do keep in mind, when making comparisons, that there are going to be *functional* similarities between many styles of three-part knee, especially if you don't want the front to look like a separate patella (Hound-style). For example, there will be two stringing grooves in the back, and it will be roughly lozenge-shaped or rectangular, just by virtue of the type of joint that it attempts to emulate aesthetically and in terms of range of movement.

Not taking sides, just providing an extra piece of info :>

-- Andi

 

But even the Unoa joint manages to look quite different from the SD16 one (or should I say the SD16 one is different since the unoa one came out first afterall!) That's not really the case for the DZ one imho...it's too similar for me.

 

Similar perhaps, but quite different all the same. I'm absolutely loving the new DZ body.

However I am quite disappointed by the fact that people are saying that a similarity, as such, would keep them from enjoying it. If that's the case...man, I should never by an off-brand car part just because it's so similar to a Chevy one. =_=; It's bound to happen, and if it's not a DIRECT COPY, meaning exactly the same, I see no harm in it. It's like the difference between Barbie and Takara Jenny-almost null, but differrent enough to be, well, different.

It's looking like there won't be any resolution on this one. But thank you so much for the pics, though, it really cleared a lot up for me~!

 

I don't think that the Dollzone doll has too many similiarities to Yukinojo. They're definetely different.

Besides when we get into originality and plagirism lets remember that NO BJD is a "complete" original as their design actually began a long time ago. As far as ABJD is concerned, the most important part is the face, right? As long as the face sculpt is different, what's the huge deal about the body and the joints?

My two cents.

 

The knee joint makes me think it's a copy because of that little hook on the end e___e; Correct me if I'm wrong - but that hook thing is pretty unique to Volks. Roo has one, too. It's the knee-locking mechanism, and I know it's unique because it bothers me, and I haven't seen many other dolls with the same system XD

Functional similarities do exist. But when too much of the doll is similar... :/

And to the above comment - it's a big deal if someone copied because these dolls are so expensive to buy, and to make. If I owned a Louis Vittan purse and another company like Coach copied that purse, but claimed it was original... I'd be pissed XD And I do own a Volks XD; But... that's just me.

 

A car is also expensive to make and to buy, but when one car designer copies the wheel suspension, I don't see anyone getting pissed as long as the car LOOKS different.

My point is that these nitpicking differences are sort of pointless when we're talking about something like the joints. Technically ALL the joints are copied off someone else's designs. No one really buys a doll for the joints.

Further if you're going to get into couture as a comparison - all mid-range stores copy what designers do all the time. Much more than what the similarities between Volks and Dollzone are doing.

 

Thank you for the photos~

Interestingly - the DollZone foot doesn't look much like the SD16 foot, but rather, it looks like a modified version of the SD13 foot. The little toe curves inward, while the two toes next to it curve outward. Neither the Hound foot nor the SD16 foot does this. In my photo, the SD13 foot isn't at quite the same angle as the DollZone foot, but the similarities in the curves of the toes are still there:



Granted, the DollZone foot features more details and deeper carving between the toes, but those are easy mods to do. It just strikes me as odd that the toes of both feet curve in a rather unusual (and to me, an extremely similar) way.

 

Again, this is only my opinon, but banning dolls will probably not reduce the number of unhappy people. There'll be even more conflict because the ones who do own the banned dolls will probably feel like they've been ostracized. It's like immediately creating a dividing line between two groups of people. Plus, the owners might own both unbanned and banned dolls and that would just make things hard for them. Other than that, like in the case of Dollzone, there has been no legal outcome yet on whether they've been copied. So it would be pretty hard on owners who bought the dolls and then a year later, find out that they're banned from posting on them when there was no law against buying the dolls during the time of purchase.

Banning the dolls, reducing the number of posts on the dolls, less open talk about it... While it's not our job to educate newbies, making it harder for them to research about the doll on the forum is not exactly helpful either. And if they can't find out more about the dolls in a BJD forum (the pros and cons, opinions, owner pics, comparison pics, what happened), where should they find out about it?

And yes, definitely, it's up to the mods. Which was why I repeated that I don't think the mods have a decision yet so we shouldn't jump the gun about the banning and also that I was only stating my honest opinion.

 

There are no comparitive points on the DollShe body with the DZ body. It is the Volks SD16 body that is being mirrored. The comparitive photos of the DZ feet with the SD13 feet are too close for comfort as well.

Is it a mold recast? Obviously not - although the arms could be as they are the same size as the SD16 and far too esthetically short for the DZ body. However, recasting a product in clay and modding that mold and then casting it are pretty common abilities of anyone with a mold-making setup. It's a way to get a "base" to work from when an original sculpt is not possible - either because of skill or time.

The DollZone body is not a counterfeit - meaning that the doll is not being marketed under the same name. That is fraud and illegal. However, a knock-off or a copy still is legally and ethically questionable.

Those sound like very legitimate concerns - other than the Lynn/Woori recast have these issues been aired on the board?

 

Even if the patent isn't valid, does it really bloody matter?!
Because everyone knows that law isn't always right. Murderers go free and innocent people are put in gaol, to make a horrible comparison.

What's really bothering me, to make another point, is the fact that a lot of people are saying, "OMG LOOK DIFFERENCES IT CANNOT BE COPY" but completely ignoring the fact that the rest of the doll is obviously copied.

 

Zagzagael, all of those issues have been brought up on the board, but I think a lot of it is in the "Dollzone Supporters' Alliance" thread, which is very long and hard to navigate at this point.

I'm no longer an owner of a Dollzone doll, but I've had in my posession both the male and female new-style mini bodies. I see more similarity to the mini bodies than I do to Yukinojo, but maybe that's because I've never owned a Yukinojo. Things like the weird feet and the position of the arms at rest make me think that they might have just copied themselves in a bigger scale! But I admit I don't know much about different types of knee joints in big male dolls. I don't think the Dollzone knee joint looks like Yukinojo's, but I am definitely no expert on the matter.