Dollzone Originality - Discuss it here.

I think that everyone that owns a DZ should just be happy and enjoy there dolls. Who gives a *Poop* what others think. *Dont feel ashamed or bad*, (absolutely no reason to) If you want to take one to a meet and/or post pics, I say "go for it! there is no reason for anyone to be judged or let down because of there preferences in buying what they like or can afford......... it's "Ridiculous" and "Immature" and it actually hurts peoples feelings, yes, it actually does. And people should have the right to feel comfortable not outcasted?

Just voicing my feelings.......

 

You're absolutely right Angie2Insana ^^;

 

Very elegantly worded. Thank you very much, from a happy DZ owner.

 

Before anyone continues to make the claim that Volks invented ball jointed dolls, I offer this as evidence:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Doll-Ge...9QQihZ007QQcategoryZ84622QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This is an antique german doll, ball-jointed in exactly the same way as Volks, and like Volks, strung with elastic.

Volks may have done many things but they certainly did NOT invent ball-jointed dolls. This doll predates theirs by at least 80 years.

 

While I am at it, here is a ball-jointed Betty Boop that dates from 1930

http://cgi.ebay.com/Wood-Jointed-Co...74QQihZ006QQcategoryZ4628QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

Go Calflove! Yea i agree with wot u said just cut out a little cos this post would be long. I had the same prob, i ordered Rae on the hearing of good things of DZ but then i saw this thread linked from a deleted thread, i was upset but now annoyed.

i'm taking photos of Rae all the time! don't worry about wot ppl say about DZ.




this is my Raphael(Rae) ok here's the task... find another doll that looks EXACTLY or 98% like him! (good luck trying, and i mean face shape, eyes, nose and lips obviously face up is different and of course NO DZ)

I am an artist (or an art-student) of course we kno there is no limitations to expression. I luv volks dolls, i think the face up and the scuplts are very beautiful. Still because volks are gr8 doesn't mean DZ isn't!

I find this very true. I kno some ppl prefer volks dolls cos they like it the best but it doesn't mean that they are the ONLY company. Everyone has opinions. I personally are not very fond of some dolls but i don't broadcast it. Everyone has opinions and stamping down one company's confindence is not going to make u better. In truth all those ppl in this thread slagging of DZ are just degrading yourself. It's more or less compatible to racism if u have to look at it.

thank you! Of course there is nothing wrong with DZ. They're still in business after court right? They started a brand new line right? they're trying very hard and i think they're quite successful. Why should we the owners be punished for liking DZ? I'm saving for a CP Delf next and just before anyone decide to comment on the price, it would not be a problem for me to get a full set volks right now. I have the money but guess wot everyone has different responsibilities. Just because u can afford it doesn't mean u need to buy it.

@Baakay: yea this never dies does it? I seriously think it should be locked up soon >__< but it's a nice debate i suppose tho i just feel like saying something cos in some past posts i've read there is a huge discrimination and it's not just due to the copying issue, it's more than that. Sorry i kno it's pointlss arguing but i feel we need to stand up to this cos being proud owners of DZs i don't think it's fair to attack owners for which type of doll they like or own. It's just childlish and low.

 

Yukihotaru! I've said it before, but your Rae is such a cutie and your pictures are actually the clearest to see how beautiful an eyeshape Mo's have. There are a lot of dolls out there with sleeping/dreaming heads but I've not seen anything like Mo.

It's sad that even in dollie fandom, you can still get punished for liking a particular style or brand. It's sad, but true. Just read this thread. There are plenty of molds I really don't like but I don't make anyone feel uncomfortable about it. It's just having mutual respect for other people.

Mmm CP Delf. I might punish myself and get either a DOD girl or Mini Fee ;___: I was only wanting one doll mind you but..I can't stop looking at sites and lusthing >_<:!!!

 

They never went to court. DZ is in China, Volks is in Japan, DZ filed a patent in China first. Volks now cannot take them to court over the KIPS and there have not been any developments since last year on whether or not Volks found some way to fight the alleged body copying. CP was also never able to bring them to court.

Their "brand new line" included seemingly original, but oddly proportioned, heads on Kid Delf copy bodies, they merely stopped using Woori's copied head. It took months for them to stop distributing the Kid Delf bodies, and it took even longer to stop using the Kid Delf hands.

 

Pardon my skepticism, but without an actual side by side comparison of the current Dollzone line with other BJDs, and I mean physical side by side comparison, with the dolls right in front of you, I find it next to impossible to believe that anyone can say "Oh it's just like X" from a picture. Even in the best photographs, a different angle can make an enormous difference in how something looks. I am married to a full time professional artist who has done sculpture as well as 2-D art; I will not pretend that makes me an expert, but I do have some experience in this. Now if someone actually has done this physical, in person, side-by-side comparison and has proof of current copying, then something should be posted. Has anyone done such a thing?

 

Not that I'm aware of. I know there have been comparisons, and if you search the forums you might be able to find some, but I don;t think they have been quite what you describe.

The current accusations of copying have been much harder to prove than the original copied Woori, which was undeniable.

Personally, I don;t see any hard evidance of DZ copying in it's current doll line, and unless the companies in question are pressing the point, I see no reason to personally remain suspicious of the current dolls. Even without being able to prosecute becuase of international law, I am sure that if one company thought they were being copied, they would be very vocal about it.

 

That's a difficult one, because no one would spend $200+ on something they believed to be a copy. So it's hard to get the side by side comparisons.

Dollzone put out photos of their 1/3s and Volk's SD16. To many of us, it was evidence of copying. But to many others, it was evidence of originality. It's not hard evidence either way. That's in this very thread I think, excuse me for forgetting where it is!

Only Dollzone know if the current dolls are copied, but what I have heard is that Dollzone in China have been swinging between being boastful about no-one being able to stop them copying, and threatening those who highlight it. Unfortunately my Chinese is not good enough to trawl through DollSky to find any statments by Dollzone, so I'll urge any members of DollSky to bring us evidence either way if they can!

 

I don't know why, but these images seem to have been removed from this thread. There was one post with all of them and now it only has one, and I looked at the source and there weren't broken images, it was just only one image. Thankfully, I saved them.

Some things to take into consideration, also, before viewing these images.

1. Dollzone's first doll was an exact 100% copy of another company's doll, Cerberus Project Kid Delf Woori.

2. DZ's second mini line has single jointed bodies.

3. The 70cm body of DZ's with the advanced jointing came out months after Volks released their Yukinojo Sawaragi. The 70cm body resembles none of the other DZ dolls. Volks' Yukinojo closely resembles the sculpting style of their Super Dollfie Cute Arashi's body, the face looks very much like one of their Neo GO's and the body also like one of their Neo Guys. This was not a new style for Volks, it was just new to this scale.

 

The fact that the newer DZ dolls look don't look similar to the older ones is irrelevant. They do use different sculptors for different dolls, of course there would be a difference.

 

It is not irrelevant. One of the few ways to prove you aren't copying someone's style is to consistently show off your own style. Volks does this even with five sculptors and ten known face up designers.

 

You can't be consistent in style if your not the one sculpting the doll though. I've seen Volks dolls that look totally different from each other, it doesn't mean anything. When I draw a picture it will look different to my friends picture, doesn't mean we aren't working on the same comic book....

 

I'm going to have an unpopular opinion here...

I hardly see why people freak out over it. I belive it's something the comapnies shouid worry about and not the consumer. It happens all the time. Many of us buy "generic" products, you don't freak out about soup or dish detergant.

I have a DZ Ying...he rocks does he look like a Volks...umm yeah, and?

I gotta say when you see a similar product offered at a better rate and you paid more, youre probably gonna be upset, especially when you would have bought the cheaper one. I belive this may have something to do with so many pepole wigging out about it.

Even if Ying was a complete rip off and I knew it, I'd buy it. Moral objections...ummm paying close to or over $1000 for a doll, whose morally corrupt the poeple selling the doll for $1000 of the pepole trying to make the hobby affordable for more collectors.

It's all about intentions here. I think it's much to easy too judge.

Since most of you are ladies, do you feel it's morally objectionable to buy a designer one-off (don't answer it's rehtorical).

What about tryin to save a few dollars at the grocerry store, do you think the generic comapnies should be closed out for obviously taking the product and mass producing it.

I say ROCK ON DZ...TY for figuring out a way to make an awsome doll, while not ripping me off on the price!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I was concerned about the face mold myself, they look WAY WAY different in real life!

 

ok fine maybe not complete at court but at least they sorted it out between themselves haven't they? A new line, well does volks have a head like Mowan before he was published? In truth i've seen alot of molds and have seen loads of dolls that are 'similar' to CP dolls too. I've seen a comparison photo of DZ body's now and CP bodies, at least the boys are taller and a different structure to CP kid delf. Very noticeable too.

I'm not going to argue this cos i find it pointless. DZ have started new things and even with a previous rep, they finished with the 'copied' versions and are making brand new original stuff. I don't see a problem with that itself.

If this continues then it's just plain discrimination, even the greatest artist needs inspiration for a new art piece. I doubt YOU ever drew a picture and haven't had a person go it's like so and so's drawing/ work. Nothing is original in my opinion. If the companies themselves have settled it then it's not our place to say. Discriminating them for a reason sorted is low.

Ok then, if u reckon the body's are identical may i ask HOW ARE you suppose to join a doll that size? looking at the jointing system it is the same but apart from double/single and the new triple joining system what else can u do? Next the body sculpt is different in my opinion. Just where ribcage/ muscle tone and other lines are not identical. How can u make a complete copy of a resin doll anyway? This isn't being sarcastic i truly wanna know.

I just think what u're saying is relevent but it doesn't mean u're completely right. Ok the copy was taken off the market, is it still right to discriminate them for still being a company? what do u want them to do stop producing and pack up? Some ppl are saying things as if NO companies have ever did something wrong before.

also think of some ppl's positions in life, some may not be able to afford these luxuries. First no crap about "well they shouldn't buy it then" cos in truth there are millions of ppl in debt for overspend. I personally can afford even the expensive dolls and many other designer stuff but as i have said, just cos u can doesn't mean u have to. If someone likes a certain doll then leave them be for liking it! I have a policy of never buying a rip of version like designer handbags. If DZ are makin a poorer quality doll for the same price that looks exactly like the other companies then frankly i wouldn't buy. The DZ i do have is very original and i am very pleased with the quality. So are u going to come and tell me "be ashamed of a doll from a copying company?" well i wouldn't listen thank you very much.

just to let u kno usagi665 i'm not trying to argue with u on this. I'm still new at this and of course i don't kno all the facts but i reckon from my perspective, this is a stupid and unnecessary argument as it's already been sorted by the companies themselves. We are only buyers, we're not the sculpters, u don't like DZ don't buy from them it's that simple. No need to argue and counter argue about this.