Dollzone Originality - Discuss it here.

I agree entirely . I love both my dolls and I have to say it rather ruined the whole 'meet up' thing for me when at my first one I had a girl run up to tell me how pretty my doll was and ask what sculpt he was. Then when I told her she basically threw him back at me, yelling very loudly (so loudly people turned around and stared) about how he was a copy and "not a real dollfie". When you want to get right down to it, I'm pretty sure most dolls at that meet were not "dollfies".

Everyone is welcome to their opinion on this topic. But I wish people would just remember that despite Dollzone's actions in the past, there has never been any double about their originality now.

When I saw Xi, I loved the way he looked. After he was ordered, however, I started reading about how Dollzones were "cheap" and "poorly made". Needless to say I was kind of worried. But when I got him he's as well-made as some of the other dolls I've looked at. That possibly might be why so many DZ owners state the quality of their dolls...because that is what is the most questioned with the thought that "If they're not as expensive, they're not as good".

I think it shouldn't really impact owners of these dolls as much as it has unless you were personally affected. Did you buy a Lynn only to find out it was a copy? Did you buy a Woori only to have someone attempt to tell you that their Lynn was better? If not I don't see why people are so upset.

Personally, I think it should all be a matter of "Okay. You like Volks and I like Dollzone. You buy your Volks and I'll buy my Dollzone and if we hate each other we'll keep those opinions to ourselves instead of putting one another down".

Well, that'd be the ideal, anyway .

 

that is very sad actually. I'm arranging a mini meet for the upcoming Saturday and hopefully this summer holiday. Well needless to say all types of dolls are welcomed. BUT the thing is there is to be no harrassment of ANY type of doll, be it DZ or Volks.

Just to be annoying, we've stated a dollfie is a volks made doll. Apart from any of the Volks models all others are 'not real dollfies' as they're not made by volks, they're BJDs anyway next time that happens, ask the person what mold they THINK it is and then work on there.

All those low-lifes that judge a doll on it's company shame on u. I hate either said saying wrong about the other. It's a debate not facts anymore. God i hate being caught between both companies, i like both and will support both for seperate reasons.

'not a real dollfie' god that person is annoying!

 

It was a genuine query based on a genuine observation, and Tez gave me a very good answer.

Tez realised what I meant, which was basically, do Dollzone owners feel they have to defend themselves before attack? If that is something they feel, it must be addressed. Don't you think?

Kama- That's another point I hadn't thought of- stating the quality is high in relation to price. (I do tend to forget that DZ is a bit cheaper than other dolls)

About the girl at the meet up, I hope you didn't let her upset you. It was totally her problem. I'm really shocked that someone would act so disgusted at a doll right after saying it was pretty. That's really petty and ridiculous. All I can say about that person is...grrr! It's a doll it never hurt anyone! (In fact I'm sure it's done the opposite for you ^^)


Yuki- I'm sure your DZ will get a great response. I don't see why anyone would give abuse at a meet up. Usually abuse is only dished out on places like anonymous posts on LJ, cowardly things like that. Face to face, no-one would dare. That's not how we Brits work! And if someone did pick on you, you can be certain they'd have me to deal with, not to mention the rest of the UK doll community!

 

Sometimes there will be jerks or rude people in life. It's sad, but people are far from perfect--that doesn't excuse bad behavior, but it does explain it. Rudeness isn't just people who are against DZ, though. There are people who are rude and nasty about all kinds of things. It's horrible, but you have to understand that it's the OTHER person's problem and not yours.

On another related topic... Copying a doll doesn't mean merely LOOKING similar. Copying is BAD. No matter what. It means someone has stolen that exact sculpt, usually by making a mold of another companies dolls and re-casting it illegally.

Re-casting joints and parts and heads--that's illegal.

Unethical, but not necessarily illegal, would be to have another company's doll in front of you and set out to make something that looks like it, but not make a direct re-casting of it. This means that you're just being lazy and not make your own doll and joints and... and you want to not take the risk of relying on your own designs to sell, but are either trying to build on the success of someone else--or are trying to outright trick people into thinking the piece is the other person's work in order to sell stuff. It MAY be illegal, but is usually hard to prove. But either way, it's unethical... (which is a personal thing, but to me, it just is a bad thing! And to most others, too.)

Separately... ideas usually can't be copyrighted. Ideas are general things. Such as the idea of a BJD. Others can make their own BJDs... Volks knows this, even though it was their idea and they dislike having it taken by others. They can only be unhappy about it (and it's their right to feel any way they wish, you know!). And they can go after other companies in legal ways if they actually re-cast their dolls. If a company copies too closely, if their sculpts still look too close, so that they can actually be mistaken for one of their dolls, then they may also have a case legally.

And on another related topic--Accusing others of copying does NOT make copying RIGHT. I find it annoying when people do this. Just because others do something wrong doesn't mean it's OK.

I'm also annoyed when these accusations are thrown about without any thought. It's slanderous, which can be illegal, for one thing.

While a company such as CP/Luts, for example, may indeed be capable of copying a doll, they have no reason to do so and no track record of doing this. They have shown they can and DO make their own sculpts and have their own style. To say from a few photos that a company is copying is just ridiculous! Everyone knows that photos can make things look different than they are in reality.

If people want to throw accusations around, then wait and prove it. Have the doll in hand and put up comparison shots and show details of what make your case.

Aren't you doing exactly what you're complaining about when others are saying unsubstantiated things about DZ??? Please!!!

Personally, I think if people have problems with a company--like DZ, then they'd better have the proof to back it up. AND the same thing goes for people who say things about other companies as well.

 

The fact that CP/Luts copied from Volks is a fact, actually. Luts pulled the doll in question off the market. So I appreciate what you're saying, but it might be a good idea to check your facts before you jump into a debate.

 

Well, I do not aim to be picky on DZ since I'm kind of OK with their kids. But I wonder if anyone notes that DZ 60 cm hand parts look like as Luts' and DOD's......

http://www.dzdoll.com

Click on the right icon (零&#20214 in the green box.

#1, 2, 4 are Luts hands
#3 is DOD hands...

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OK, people. I admit I am too offensive and jump too fast to conclusion. I get what ppople say. I agree this thread should be locked because of my weird concern. So, pls try not to reply unless u still want to punch on me after u read my last reply on page 2.
Thanks to all who replied this thread.
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For the 1 set of hands, they look ALOT like the Luts Minifee Soo/Lishe, but they are different.

They do SEEM like they were copies, but they are different.

 

honestly, i don't see any similarities. They look nothing like any luts hands i've ever seen, and I have mostly luts dolls. They honestly do not really look like DOD hands either, and i've seen a number of those. I wish the "dollzone" copy debates would end already.

 

I'll have to disagree for certain on the luts hands, because the hands that they look most like are all the wrong size for a DZ 60 cm doll... fist hands are only for kid delf, and have the thumb in a different place, the pinkies up hands would be minifees, and still aren't curved that much.

 

Hands can seriously only take on so many shapes.
Thumbs up and fists are universal gestures, I don't see how it's copying. They don't look that much alike to me either.

 

um.... OK. I think I should use the word "similar" rather than "copy"
Let me make myself clear. I am not saying that DZ copys the hands out of luts or dot hands directly. I am saying that they copy the ideas of hand postures.

I will not argue a lot for #1 basic hands because most companies hands look like that.
But when I first saw #2 hands, they reminded me of luts hands-9 and #4 of luts mini fee #3
#3 Thumbs up fists of dot hands 1 I saw stone hands/fists but there were not a lot of them like dot fists with thumb out.

I really dont mean to say or make DZ a copycat. I saw a lot debates on copying body but I didn't agree with 70cm body was copied from volks or other companies. I just wonder because the hands looks alot like luts or dot to me.
Actually, I think most China dolls are not copying and they have better joints structure than japan and korean dolls.

yay, sorry, I am too picky on hand poses and I didn't use the corret wording.
I believe companies can and hope they create alot more different hands gesutures. Why they choose to keep creating hands which similar to other companies..

 

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I think people just look for similarities with DZ. Those hand gestures aren't omg-so-original-luts-invented-the-heart-shaped-hands! Really, it's not like human hands are particularly flexible. People don't tend to have very different fists do they? There are so many possibilities with a fist (if anything except the thumb were to stick out, it wouldn't be a fist anymore).

At this point, I think there are going to be some people who always look for copying in DZ, even if there is none anymore.

Seriously, the DZ-bashing should stop.

And before any DZ haters criticise me, I'd like to point out that I don't care for DZ myself - the head sculpts, while interesting, are not my style. But I hate seeing people pounce on a company that has stopped the blatant copying its been notorious for.

I don't think the hands are that similar.

 

There are only so many ways to model a hand.

It is FAR more likely that the artists in both companies are using the same art books for reference.

 

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Body positions are not copyrightable. No foul, no harm.

 

Please stop the witch hunt against DZ. Why do I never see posts that any other company may have copied. People always jump on DZ, looking to see if they copied something. Maybe it was the other way around? Could you not change the post to something that says 'similarities' between DZ and Delf and DOD. Where your compairing them, vs jumping on the attack DZ for copying thing.

-Anneke

 

Like so many people have said already... you can only pose a human hand so many ways. Just like after a while, the general face features of humans look the same, and the body, ect, ect. But hands and smaller apendages especially. So I highly doubt its a copy, and similarity in hands is moot because like everyone said, hands aren't all that different from everyone elses.

 

This is an excellent point, but I also have to add, there are only so many way to model a useful hand.

Keeping in mind that most of us keep the same pair of hands on our dolls all the time, how many natural, but not completely useless poses are there for hands?

Not many.

 

I think they look suspiciously LIKE Luts and DOD hands.. but not enough to matter. :/

 

Well, if you look at pictures, it's obvious DZ has done some copying. Others can only be suspicious when they see DZ hands in the same position as another companies. Sorry you're offended, but don't tell someone to change their post or opinion because of that. :/