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Dollzone Originality - Discuss it here.

Jul 2, 2006

    1. That's actually a really interesting point - the rabbit is a common motif in both cultures. The only way to know where inspiration was really drawn would be to ask the teams behind each doll's design, though. We may never know.
       
    2. If they're following the trend, they're following it too closely. I saw both of these dolls on Y!J yesterday while flipping through and looking at the gallery photos. I didn't realize that they weren't the Pipos dolls until I had the auctions loaded, saw the bigger photos, and then looked at the auction title that said Dollzone.

      Honestly ... they look like badly modded Pipos dolls. And if they're smaller than the Pipos ones, well, that's what happens when you take a mold from another doll. The copy will always be smaller than the original.
       
    3. Wow, can't believe how quickly everyone picked up on if these new petdolls are copied or not.
      I have to agree with what someone said earlier. Its a trend that they are following. It happens in EVERY type of consumer product out there, be it a hobby of ball jointed dolls or something as simple as a type of tv or toy.
      And the thing is they are not even making a profit of these dolls. They are being sent out as gifts if you purchase through Dollzone.
      If you look at a picture of a Pipos Curo plus the dollzone bunny petdoll they look different.
      First off look at the shape of the head - the Pipos Curo is a longer more square shape. The DZ petdoll bunny is a roundier smaller shape. The Curos have this cute little poofy cheeks and the Dollzone is more shaped in a comple round shape that comes to a point at the nose/chin.
      Second the eyes are COMPLETELY different. The Dollzone bunny has eyes that are slightly smaller and more oval and pointed more towards the ends. Curos is more round.
      Third look at the bodies. The Pipos has got a little pudgy tummy while the Dollzone is alot more flat.
      Also look at the nose and mouth structure. The nose is slightly larger looking and the mouth even opens a little on the DZ bunny while the Pipos has a very small area within the nose and mouth.
      Lastly the Dollzone is a completely different size than the Pipos.

      A couple other things... I do not think the dollzone bunny ears are jointed like the Pipos. Also the headcaps for the DZ dolls are a bit different than how the Pipos headcaps work.

      The only thing I see that could be consider remotely the same are the hands/feet/paws. And not even that, b/c the DZ seems to take on a more pudgy shape in the hands and feets
       
    4. Minerva - a copy does not become 3/4 the size of the original.

      Carolyn
       
    5. I read a post on another forum made by a dealer that said the DZ bunny's ears are not jointed. Aside from being cute pudgy rabbits, they really don't look alike, and I'm not sure how anyone could look at them and think they were copies. The ears, the shape of the head, the shape of the eyes, the height, and body shape (as far as I can tell) are different.
       
    6. Well, I think the bunnies look similar. Though, it was mostly the angles the DZ one was shown in the news thread. I prefer Curo after looking at all the differences.

      But I like the fox the most!
       
    7. You know, it is about time someone said something about this. I don't think some of you are aware of what this looks like to a relative outsider to your community.

      This thread is 44 pages long, the debate should long since have been put to rest. "Yukinojo is copied" is claimed, except that the face is not, the torso is not the only thing that is shown as being copied is the joints and In an effort to do so, I myself posted links to human artificial limbs that are jointed exactly like Yukinojo and predate the doll.

      Instead, there is page after page of this.

      What does it look like to an outsider?

      There is the very real appearance that some people are continuing this in an ill-mannered and spiteful attempt to make Dollzone owners feel bad about owning their dolls.

      If this is not intended, perhaps those continuing this so-called debate ought to start rethinking, if not their position, but at least that they owe other doll owners the courtesy of keeping their opinions on their LJs.
       
    8. Very well stated Victoria, there can only be so much discussion about this before it starts to be pointless.
       
    9. There is alot of agression in your posts, and it's not very pleasant when we are trying to have a discussion.

      Most of the posts about the Dollzone bunny have been saying that it doesn't look like a direct copy. Wouldn't that be defending Dollzone? I said I didn't believe it was copy, and I didn't need to say that. As someone who wanted Dollzone shut down when they first appeared, why am I defending Dollzone?

      The reason is that I don't want Dollzone owners to feel bad.
       
    10. Emphasis is not aggression. As a professional writer I take great care with my words. Emphasis is used to underscore a point which others seem to be missing.

      There are some people posting here who are taking beating a dead horse to an art form. Kudos to you if you are not one.
       
    11. Just an interesting thought I had.

      Dollzone is less costly then other companies, so I would think that the workers would be paid less. Now compare it to Volks (I chose them simply because they are a very well known company. I'd like to have one of my own, but simply can't afford it). They sell their items for a higher price, but because they are a name that had been established before hand people will still buy from them. Because of their higher cost they logically should be able to pay their employees more.
       
    12. Dollzone is a Chinese company and Volks is a Japanese company.

      Converted to US dollars,
      $1.30 per hour would be considered a non-poverty wage for China
      $6.78 per hour would be considered a non-poverty wage in Japan

      http://www.sweatfree.org/documents/FINAL2005Non-PovertyWageTable-7page.pdf

      We don't know what the workers are actually payed in either case, but it is possible that the labor cost to create a BJD in Japan could could 5x what it costs in China.

      Note that the pay amounts I listed specifically do not indicate a sweatshop but rather a low but livable wage.

      Carolyn
       
    13. carolyn S is amazing.... :) just thought I'd throw that out there....
       
    14. I agree with Victoria Victrix, this isn't a debate anymore because nothing new is being brought to the discussion. Each time Dollzone does something new there are people who will automatically consider it bad. Why? I really don't know, they hate Dollzone with a passion and make other people feel bad they should own a Dollzone.

      BTW I am not being aggressive in this thread (before I am accused of being aggressive) but like Victoria Victrix said, it's just like beating a dead horse and I don't see why this thread is still active.

      If you still have resentment towards Dollzone for the past well there's a simple solution, don't buy their dolls and leave people who want to own Dollzones alone. Everyone's tastes in dolls are different what you find ugly, another might find cute. After 44 pages of venom, really what does this discussion bring if not more ire?
       
    15. I don't think anyone here is being out of line, myself included. If you wouldn't mind citing specific examples where you felt something inappropriate was said, I'd appreciate that. It'd be educational.

      Again, could you please point out specific examples of aggression, resentment, or passionate hatred of Dollzone? I'm not seeing any of that.
       
    16. With the animal dolls I have to agree that it is a popular trend right now. It is like when platform shoes are in style and all the shoe companies make them. They aren't coping any one shoe or company, just a style that is making the money at the time. (not a great comparison but I like shoes and dolls)
       
    17. THIS IS YAKO. NANA AND I ARE SISTERS, AND THE COMPUTER SWICHED US, sorry.
      I agree with Vampurgatori, I could make a list of brands that make pet dolls. So what- Piopos *sorry if it's SP* was the first to make them *I'm not sure if they where*? Look in the artistan BJD threads, you can find many animal ones, of differnt animals, inculing bunnies. Are THEY copying? No, they're taking a trend they like, and making it. DZ prolly did the same.
      So, did people get like this when the 2nd BJD company came around? "_____ Copying VOLKS?" "______ Orignaity"? Someone must have though BJDs where nifty, and tried their hand at making differnt ones. It thus came popular. The same way pet/animal dolls are.

      I don't think it's very kind though, that almost every time DZ releases a new doll/part of doll *not wig,eyes, or clothes aka* that every one has to make a big deal about it, and saying how simaler to things are, cause soemone could go to random sites, and see how simaler some others are, and no one would be "ZOMFG, that comany must be awful! Let's start a huge debate every time that they come out with ANYTHING. Even YEARS later!" *sorry if I sound agressive, I don't mean to.*

      And I'm sure that people will get pet dolls, and maybe one will have a Pipos bunny, and compair them, and then that could be that. Can't we all quit dissing DZ already though? And asking "are they copying?" or advising people not to buy from the past things? Think about how serously happy DZ has made first time doll owners, some without jobs? I mean, if we're grading the COMPANYs actions, not the doll itself, could we insult and pick at every comapny for bad communication, slow shipping, face up looking differnt, it not being perfect in every way? If someone likes a doll, they should get it. If it's a copy, then if the person knows before hand, they can get the real doll, if they don't know till later, they'll love the doll they bought, copy or not. it will still be the doll they held before. However, they could also feel worse about that... In the end, it really is just beating a dead horse. Can ANYONE tell me the last time/thing DZ accualy copied? =/
       
    18. Copyed by YAKO, to aviod confusion *or try anyway*

      I agree with Vampurgatori, I could make a list of brands that make pet dolls. So what- Piopos *sorry if it's SP* was the first to make them *I'm not sure if they where*? Look in the artistan BJD threads, you can find many animal ones, of differnt animals, inculing bunnies. Are THEY copying? No, they're taking a trend they like, and making it. DZ prolly did the same.
      So, did people get like this when the 2nd BJD company came around? "_____ Copying VOLKS?" "______ Orignaity"? Someone must have though BJDs where nifty, and tried their hand at making differnt ones. It thus came popular. The same way pet/animal dolls are.

      I don't think it's very kind though, that almost every time DZ releases a new doll/part of doll *not wig,eyes, or clothes aka* that every one has to make a big deal about it, and saying how simaler to things are, cause soemone could go to random sites, and see how simaler some others are, and no one would be "ZOMFG, that comany must be awful! Let's start a huge debate every time that they come out with ANYTHING. Even YEARS later!" *sorry if I sound agressive, I don't mean to.*

      And I'm sure that people will get pet dolls, and maybe one will have a Pipos bunny, and compair them, and then that could be that. Can't we all quit dissing DZ already though? And asking "are they copying?" or advising people not to buy from the past things? Think about how serously happy DZ has made first time doll owners, some without jobs? I mean, if we're grading the COMPANYs actions, not the doll itself, could we insult and pick at every comapny for bad communication, slow shipping, face up looking differnt, it not being perfect in every way? If someone likes a doll, they should get it. If it's a copy, then if the person knows before hand, they can get the real doll, if they don't know till later, they'll love the doll they bought, copy or not. it will still be the doll they held before. However, they could also feel worse about that... In the end, it really is just beating a dead horse. Can ANYONE tell me the last time/thing DZ accualy copied? =/
      ADDED: And someone tell me, lets get hypoltehtical and say...HOUND was copied. Yes, every one's beautiful HOUND *not to soudn rude, it's just a loved-popular doll, sorry Mr. Hound* Would that make you hate yours? Would it take away from the love you have/had with him? *sorry if there are she-hounds* Would you tell people "MINIFEE copyed, dont' buy from them."? As said, hypolteical, and I do not mean to sound rude. *more apologies to Mr. Hound*
       
    19. People never forget that type of thing. :/ They just don't. They don't forget any type of bad karma that follows a company. It's not just copying but other things like bad service, bad quality etc that aren't forgotten. I have no problem with DZ usually but the copying incident will be in the back of my mind. As will LUTS is crappy communication and other things.
       
    20. Soory, I didn't mean to sound like I was saying "Let's all forget that" ^_^'; It was really late when I was posting that, after a *very* long day.
      I've never really seen bad quality from them, and the only real 'bad service' The worst experience I can think of is when I was trying to order from the DZ site and the 'register' button didn't work. And their new site is semi-buggy and confusing, but thats all.
      I suppose what I was trying to say is "Don't let the copy thing cloud your mind from seeing a doll you like" because as far as we know, the copy insodent is done and over with, and we're the only people who are truely keeping it alive. I'm not saying it's bad to know about it, or to discus it, but in a way, it is... DZ is as much a doll copany as any other, weither it copyed in the past or not.
      A suppose another compairison I could use is *sorry to get on LUTS again... >_<* is LUTS's comminication. If you say...fall in total love with Cherry, and I don't mean "oh, I want her someday" but "O_O MY DREAM IS HERE!", then I don't think that you'd really be able to say "...Oh, she's a LUTS doll." And if you saw one in the marketplace could say "Oh, she's a LUTS. LUTS has such awful communication." and not get her cause of that. If someone likes a mold, get it. If you have to go through he** to get her/him, then that isn't GOOD, but by the time s/he is in your arms, would you honestly still care that s/he's from that brand? Given, copying a doll *way back when ago* and slow communication *hopefuly someday we can say 'way back when ago'* are differnt.

      *OddEthics- I wasn't aiming this whole thing at you, only like..the first paragraph. The rest just folowed I suppose.... >_<*
      *Sorry to use LUTS as an example again!*