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GOing for Event Items... and Taking the Cheap Way Out...

Sep 9, 2010

    1. I'm pretty apathetic to those who think it's rude or whatever to claim an item and ''not contribute'' proportionally. It's illogical and problematic in nature.

      First come first serve and business is business are my policies.
      Can you imagine how ridiculously messy a GO would get if people started 'bidding wars' on an event item? " Oh, person A only is paying 100, I'll pay 150 instead. I contribute more, so I should get the item, even though it was originally promised to person A. Too bad." It's pretty ludicrous to me to have such flexibility and no guarantee of even meeting the total; if someone 'outbid' me for an item, well heck, what's to stop me from dropping out of the GO altogether and subtracting 100 from the running total? Which in turn, delays the order further and may cause some headaches for GO runners.

      The way things are run currently allow for transparency and stability in GOs.

      As a person who has participated in a few GOs and am running a few, DoA allows individuals a pretty even chance of grabbing their event items; everyone has the freedom to join a go they like, avoid ones they don't, start one if nothing is available, etc.. like jenny and chai mentioned. Why the hell would anyone join a GO they didn't want to for something that they weren't able to get?
       
    2. I haven't joined a GO, and I haven't hosted a GO, but I do believe whole-heartedly that the event items should go to those that put forth the most towards an order. Say...Person A spends 500, Person B spends 600, Person C spends 350, Person D spends 145, and Person E spends 165, among other smaller purchases added into the order. Person B has spent the most, and therefore should get first choice from whatever the freebies acquired are. Person A should get second choice, followed by Person C, E, and D depending on how many pieces are available from the order freebies.

      But that's just what seems most fair to me...Makes most sense. :3
       
    3. I may have misunderstood the debate but as I interpreted it part of the original question was whether or not I felt it was fair the way GO's are currently run.

      Yes I have the option to not join a GO, to host my own GO etc but that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not I find the current praxis fair to all participants. Yes the way things are currently run is probably more convenient but again fairness is a concept that doesn't necessarily have to deal with whether or not something is convenient.

      However on the subject of bid-wars: there's no reason that you can't combine calling an item and paying proportionally. To get item A valued at X I need to pay Y% of the minimum required to get the items. Once I've paid the Y% I have the right to that item, people who want less valuable gifts still have the option of paying less.

      Those who seem to think that the current system is fair says that the people who only get free shipping only want free shipping and thus they help somebody else get what they want.
      It is quite common that people don't keep their dolls for life or simply don't bond with them, or that free outfit didn't work out for the character it was intended for. When somebody gets a free event item they get something they can sell for a 100% profit.

      Now tell me from a standpoint of fairness: how is it fair that somebody who contributes 20 dollars to the GO gets free shipping and 200 dollars (they bought a wig and put dibs on a doll they can sell as soon as it gets home) whereas somebody contributing 100 dollars gets only free shipping.

      Sure the dibs system is nice, it would be good for me if I could get an event gift with a high value practically for free. However the fact that it's nice or convenient doesn't mean that it's fair.
       
    4. *shrug* I've never gone for the free items, and don't know if I ever will. Every so often I think of joining group orders with just a wig or something...so that others CAN get their items ^w^
       
    5. I don't know if I find anything wrong with it.

      Maybe the people in question can't afford a doll, but happen to need a few smaller, less expensive items. I'm not too familiar in how GO's work, so I'm going by what I know, but shipping for a small item can make purchasing it unjustifiable. Some, like me, have said that they have to buy other items to justify paying that extra $20-30 in shipping fees even if all they originally wanted is a wig. I would assume that joining GO's are a good way of getting around that?

      As I said, I don't know a whole lot about GO's, so if I'm wrong about how they work, forget what I said.