Petition to get Little Jr. know as a Mini

Hmmm I didn't know it was such a huge deal as to what arbitrary category your doll was classified into by a doll board.

I have all sizes and couldn't care less as to what supposed size category they are divided into. I find info on them and their stuff pretty easily here, when I need to, as wonky as the search can be.

Adding more categories just seems like more work for the Mods.
But it's obviously up to them.

 

Not that's it's really important to me personally but to me anything smaller than about 40 of 38cm just seems like more of a tiny. Just my opinion, but it's admittedly a sketchy area. There is definitely a difference between a maturely (slender) proportioned doll and a more childlike (chubby) proportioned doll so I think that makes it difficult to group them as well just according to height. Nonetheless, I see them both as tinies, just different types. The Little Jr. female in particular does tower over many tinies but conversely is also 5-10cm shorter than most minis. I'd probably be more inclined to push the CH male into the tiny scale rather than the female up into the minis. If the owner knows their particular dolls measurements they can use their own discretion on what will fit it clothes and shoe wise it falls into one of those in between sizes because I'd guess some mini stuff would be too big and some tiny stuff too small either way.

 

Mini is a specific size, anything smaller is "Tiny" as in more tiny than an MSD. It would be wierd to have people put "MSD-sized clothing" that is really L Jr. sized clothing in sales threads.

 

Unoas & Narae are technically mini's, but they need to have their own size clothing as well. also the other sizes of tinies, such as pocket fairy versus yo-sd, so it would not be "MSD-sized clothing", but rather "petite MSD-sized" or specifically Little Junior, Narsha, etc.

 

Wow, reading this whole thread, I'm not sure how DoA has managed to survive as long as it has, being as confusing as it apparently is.

The MSD acronym has never stood for "mini-sized doll". To expect people to suddenly think otherwise is a little unreasonable. SD = Super Dollfie, MSD = Mini Super Dollfie. Sorry.

 

Only if mini people really think those two AI's - Classic and Vintage look like they belong in minis (look at the links in message 73 in the middle of this page, including the nude photos of the Classic).

To me the Classic is a 38cm toddler with special clothing needs and the 35cm Vintages are also large tinies - look at this one:
http://www.ainai.com/renew/en/product/02.php?code=14&subcode=0000&pno=2390&page=1&search_txt=

The Vintage does wear the same clothes as Little Junior female though.

Let the mods decide.

Carolyn

 

Okay, I read through this entire thread as like many other owners of LJ's this topic hits close to home. Personally I'm with sgtgeorgecarter on some of this. To me it honestly doesn't matter what a person or forum arbitrarily decides to classify them as. For me I will continue to think of them as more minis than tinies. But at the same time I can see some of the point. Yes it would be nice for owners of LJs to have a consistent place in which to find information, have questions answered and etcetera about these tweener dolls. (sorry that's a personal thing I've begun calling them tweens. )As for right now I personally find it horribly frustrating and sometimes confusing to find these things. There are many conflicting threads placing some information in the mini category and others in the tiny.

Going over to what krambear was pointing out that the whole origin of msd is for mini super dollfie, and lets face it, the tiny category most likely started with the yos. So this leads me to believe there are quite a few in between sizes. I honestly don't expect the mods to create bunches of different categories for all these other sizes, nor would I ask them to. Owners of most dolls considered in the tiny section seem to be rather content with being in the tiny category, so I think they should be left where they are. Now with the LJs and apparently a few other dolls in the 35-39cm range it appears that there are more than a few owners of such dolls not content with the tiny category. Carolyn S was so nice as to provide many measurements showing all the different sizes of tinys including the tweeners in question. I do approve of her idea that there be at least a note on the mini size chart including them even if they are not moved. I would also go so far as to say it would be nice if this could be decided a bit more so that threads for these tween dolls I see in the mini section don't get the whole "um, that's a tiny get it out of here" response when posted.

In the end though I really do see more dolls being produced in this in between category in the future. Most likely even Volks will get in on the action at some point. Not really hard to see considering all the different size dolls it's made already. I could see the tween category at some point being nessicary to break off on it's own. I mean really most of these dolls are nicely between the tiny category and mini category. Until then though. I'll continue to consider them mini sized mostly due to the fact that that's what they look like to me.

Sorry long post.

 

But don't people put things like 'slender MSD-sized' in sales posts? There's no standard mini size either, because some molds are slimmer. From what I can tell, LJs fit slender MSD trousers (with turn-ups)... And in shirts they fit normal MSD-sized shirts... And I don't think any responsible seller would sell LJ clothing marked as fitting a 45cm doll...

 

OMGosh. I'm with you.
As far as classifying clothing, how about "fits Little Junior". Wow. That would be easy.
Trying so hard to curb my sarcasm, as I own Narsha, Little Junior as well as Liebchen, a bunch of tinies and many Mini size dolls, and will always think of LJrs as tinies.

 

I don't mind which way it falls, I just want them to belong to a forum somewhere on DoA. I think that opinions are getting a little forceful now, and I think some Tiny owners have become offended... But I still think that this needed to be discussed...

Even so, I don't think there's much more to say. The measurements are there for the mods to view. We'll just have to wait on their decision now.

 

To me it doesn't make sense to have anything below 40cm in the MSD category. It just muddies a pretty sensible category of dolls. SD & MSD are the most clear categories. Tinies has always seemed like a bucket to catch everything lower than your average MSD, so you know there is a huge variety of small sizes in there.

To now put them in MSD, then it's going to be why can't 34,33,32cm dolls be in there, why can't 30cms be in there. You need to have a reasonable cut off and keeping the SD & MSD category neat (the way it currently is), would make more sense than to muddy two categories with random sizes.

 

I have a doll that is 39cm, one centimeter below the mini mark.

Do I care?

No.

Why?

Because she is my doll, and I still love her, regardless of whether DoA categorizes her as a mini or a tiny.

Does it really matter? Everyone accepts Little Jr. as tinies. Yes, they are larger than Lati Whites, but there are other tinies in the 20- and 30-cm range. It's not like they are alone.

 

It has been discussed that it is not just the Little Junior's height, but the other proportions, that make him more similar to the MSD-sized dolls. Also, there is nothing 'clear' about the SD-sized dolls, as there are dolls at 80cm now, which is far larger than the SD size (20 cm). The Little Junior boys are only 2cm off your cut off point, plus their head measurements etc. show them to be more MSD-sized and less child-like in proportions.

Sorry, but you sounded very dismissive there about Tinies, as though that's where the dregs go...

 

maybe this should have gone in the debate forum things seem to be getting a bit heated

 

Dregs of what? I'm still missing why this is such a big deal.

If this is about buying clothes, if not sure, ask the seller. Know your doll's measurements and ask for measurements from the seller. That's what I do if I'm not sure of fit.

If its about not wanting to be labeled a "tiny", then I think a reality check is in order.

 

I didn't think she sounded dismissive at all. She made a very good point.

Right now, there are very clear rules on DoA for what doll goes in what category (so clear, in fact, that I'm amazed this current issue is so "confusing" to people). Mucking with the divisions because, "well, the proportions are kinda like this other doll," or, "well, it's just a cm or two shorter than the current limit," is just going to muddy the clear waters and open the door to more confusion. What would changing it achieve, other than the confusion you want so much to avoid?

If the goal is really to be clear, I think the divisions need to stay as they are. All definitions involve a bit of arbitrariness. Most of us just deal with it, because arbitrary but clear definitions are better than open, loose definitions that in the end mean nothing.

 

Guys, let's please remember that it's not a negative thing when a doll is put in one size category or another -- it's simply the most convenient way to divide dolls by clothing size and relation to one another.

We're not currently intending to create a new category for these "tweens" and "slender mini" types, but I do agree that a lot of companies are making dolls that fall in between the traditional child-bodied MSD and the new, more mature petite sculpts.

Not all of the mods are around/active right now, so it's taking a little time -- but please try to keep this discussion unheated, since all of us have the same goal in mind -- an easy way to distinguish dolls of varying size ranges, for purposes of comparison/shopping/wigs/clothes/shoes/etc.

Thanks,

-- Andi

 

Thank you Ashbet!!!

I love my little PJ boy and just want him to find a definate home on DOA, no matter which size he fits into!

 

Various things..

Here's the Mini Height chart by Chibinezu.
http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76633

One thing I notice about the chart is that 41cm to 43cm has the most different types of minis. I don't know when the subtitle of Minis chaged to "45cm ranged dolls" but I think that wording is a bit confusing, regardless of whether 38cm mini-like dolls get officially classified as belonging in minis.

One other thing I noticed in the list is that Happydoll Elf girls are also 38cm. You can see Happydoll Elf girl photos and measurements in the lower selections here. Their measurements seem mature mini:
http://www.happydollus.com/skin/shop.php?PG=list&cate_uid=44

Carolyn