Poll: swapping

Why do people insist we need mods for this? And that it will be flamed? It's the SAME thing as a bad traders list, and while that may get some people trying to defend themselves, it hardly ever breaks out in flames. It doesn't have to be this difficult. The fact is that this is a business deal, no matter how casual and fun it may seem, and if someone bails, people deserve to know about it.

If a person redeams themselves by getting their gift out, even if it's 3 months late, then they can be taken off of the list, it's not a permanebnt thing. People can be given marks. Skipping out 1 time isn't so bad, but 2, 3 times and they should NOT be allowed to be in a swap that's not centralized, so that they CAN'T rip anyone off again.

It REALLY doesn't need all this mod crap, no offense, this is just getting way more difficult than it should be..

Either we make a public list, or all swaps are centralized, those are the only two ways that make any sense and will prevent people from getting ditched in a swap. Personally I think that centralizing all of the swaps would be the best idea, then people CAN'T get ditched, and people who don't give, don't get. But that takes a lot of effort, I'm sure most organizers don't want to put in..

 

I have to agree. Even if it's just a swap, it goes to the person's credibility. And if a person couldn't even follow through on a swap, I for one would rather not be doing business with that person! I don't see how it's different than leaving bad feedback for other transactions. Further, if the list were made private and it came out that someone was ripped off by a person who had a history of not following through on their end of the bargain, I think that would cause far more flaming than avoiding that scenario to begin with. If the bad traders list hasn't disintegrated into a flaming haven, why should this?

As I haven't participated in any swaps on this board, I am not sure of the common practices, but on other forums for the swaps I have participated in we are required to keep the receipt from the post office as proof just in case the item never gets to it's destination. If people don't follow through, they are banned from future swaps. Not that difficult.

 

I find it interesting that people believe there are excuses for not upholding a swap. There aren't, people receive 'gifts' yet refuse to send them, nor have I ever seen one person sent their swap gift back with an apology for not sending one in return. They've received a gift under false pretenses and should receive the same treatment as anyone else who's failed to uphold their part of a trading deal. A public list makes it embarrassing for the people who don't comply with the terms of the swap and makes people take things a lot more seriously. A lot of people put time, effort and money into a swap and it is incredibly unfair when their swap partner just vanishes off the face of the earth.

 

I see as a swap transaction like a trade.
Even if it is done in the spirit of fun rather than business, I would be upset if I had participated in a swap and my swap partner failed.
The fact that is a small cost doesn't matter.
I think it def. merits bad feedback and an exclusion from future swaps if someones fails.

 

it's ok to give other as a gift...but, umm...in swapping, i personally would drool for my own gift (^.^)''''...if i don't want to swap...i just can say,"hi, who want this item...for free...no charge at all!"...then, in that case, I do 100% pure charity or may be part of promo...I want to do this one day as promo instead of swapping...because as i said...in swapping, i'll be hoping one from my partner...and hopefully, they give the 'same' quality as i give to them...

i don't mind to mention the person's name along with her/his reason if there is...we don't know...may be one of 100, there's someone who loves receiving gifts but don't want to give back...i believe there is...i don't know whether it's a desease or habit or just thrifty or perhaps other reason (like missing package or else)...but if it's a repeating case, hmmm...perhaps, i should alert my self...although perhaps, the value is small, but i'd rather swap it to other people...it's lucky for you who never experience a fault swapping partner, though...(^_<)

in this case: i'd rather give someone for free but expect nothing in return rather than giving something but expect something (which i actually deserve it) but get nothing (^o^)...

siggh, swapping, i'd rather do it in 'real' and directly...i remember, we used to do this with our letter set and cute goodies sometimes...swapping...really bring back my childhood memory (-_-)

oh, and @Vincents Angel: eeek, your doll is pretty. It's eye catching...what's her name? what brand is she, if i may know? (^.^) (ok, sorry for off topic)

 

I'm not sure how the swaps work on this board but on others I'm on the organizers keep track of who doesn't follow thru & they're banned from future swaps. Nothing is made public but there are repercutions for not sending a gift. There's no excuse for that since you could just buy a gift card for Ebay or an online doll store if you can't complete your gift for any reason.

If you don't have the time or money, you shouldn't sign up in the first place. Sometimes emergencies happen, like my bout with pneumonia this year & my swap partner's (from ZoZ) illness last year, but even though we were late, we did mail our gifts just barely in time for Christmas. As long as an honest effort is being made, I think we can all understand that life happens but to simply ignore sending something ruins the fun.

 

if someone filches out on a swap they should be excluded from future swaps. unless something major comes up and they inform the people in the swap

 

I think swapping things are become really popular, we do it for Christmas and Valentine and thats good, its funny in my opinion.

I think DoA should take this in charge making a list of non-thrusty people that should not be allowed in these swapping. I dont think we should ignore this. Im mainly sure 99% of these people are people that doesnt come very often on DoA but its should be say somewhere. I already had nothing in a swapping thing and I was sad because I put my money and my effort into something. So of course I must say this is very bad and sad when you dont get nothing and everyone around you is please and happy.

Im not asking about mod taking everything in charge but adding a list of non-thrusty people could help a lot to take our own swapping in charge and to make sure everyone will get something at the end.

Someone need to do a list <--
Even if its not a mod, its should be put on Mods bad trader everything list

 

We used to have a bad swappers list. Not a single bad swapper spammed the list.

There isn't a good reason not to have a bad swappers list. I've run many many swaps both here and in other boards and I will tell you one thing about EVERY bad swapper I have ever had.

NOT A SINGLE ONE EVER OFFERED TO GIVE BACK THEIR SWAP. (not yelling, just emphasis)

I make the rules of the swap very clear, the deadline FAR in advance of the holiday and people still give me the I don't have the money, I got sick, I can't get to the post office excuses.

These actions show that the person does not respect the feelings or rights of others. These also show poor planning that could eventually lead to someone sending them a large sum of money for a commission or such and having them flake off with the above excuses.

 

I was one of the organizer for one of the Christmas swap and we decided that we would give feedback to the participants as it is a kind of transaction as we are "trading" things.

I dont think posting names would help, and ignoring those who received free gift when they were supposed to send gift too is not a good option either. I think that giving feedback is the best option as then swap organizer can see if the people that join have had any past "problems" of any kind.

But that should be used only when its been a long time since the person did not show any signs of letting others know if they are really doing anything.
In every swap there is a person or 2 that cannot send or prepare their gift at the due date, but at least they tell us and then we dont mind as we know it, while those who dont say a thing, well thats really bad communication and not fun to deal with.

Now..... since I'm talking about feedback I gotta go give some to those who participated in my swap xP

 

i think setting up a stickied list in the problem transaction section would be reasonable

 

I've been one of those people who's doll did not receive their swap gift. It kind of hurts, it was the first swap I did, but I went in expecting that. And I have still joined other swaps because I like to meet new people and give gifts. I agree that it might be good to have a list of sorts, but I also agree that sometimes things just go wrong. My gifts were almost late because I had a month of bad luck. However I did everything in my power to keep in contact with the people running the swap. I'd be really sad if the swaps were discontinued because that was my main reason for coming back to DoA. I hope that swaps might get their own space so that people can keep track of them.

 

I second the idea of having a place for swaps. I was told to put mine under tiny discussion, but the rest were under the general section. I think if it were standardized it would be easier to locate and run them.

 

ops double post

 

i know what it feels like when you dont get a present back. i participated in a christmas swap last year, and i never received anything.. only people who actually want to participate FULLY should join swaps.

 

Myself I won't participate again in a swap where i haven't received something. Not really the effort and time you put in making the gift but you need to ship it and it is not free for anybody. And it is sad when people don't take the time to tell in the tread that they received their swap thing. But I think mankind is a mix of different mind and not everyone is kind and nice so sometine you win sometime you lost

 

This doesn't have to do with a swap, but I remember when I was in middle school (even though it's been many years), I participated in a secret santa exchange. I spent alot of effort trying to get nice things for my receiver, but the girl who was supposed to give me something forgot and wrote an IOU. She forgot about it afterwards. I was very disappointed, and I have seen the same thing happen to other people in these exchanges.

So I think that is really the worst thing that's happening, that people are being disappointed. And if someone is willing/forgetful enough to cause this, then we should try to take preventative measures to avoid it in the future.

 

How terrible to only half-participate in a swap like this. Would anyone who receives but does not give be allowed to participate in a Secret Santa in person? I doubt it. Same principle here really.

Centralized planning is probably the most effective method but that's a lot of work for the organizer, especially during a holiday season. Barring that, treating a swap like a marketplace transaction (similar to GO) seems to be another good alternative, but then that's extra work for the mods.

Yeah, I'm not convinced there's a perfect solution for this.

 

I joined both a halloween swap, and a christmas swap in 2009. I sent both of my gifts out and they were recieved - one of the recipients even posted a gallery thread with pictures of her boy enjoying his new coat.

In both cases, I have yet to recieve anything in return. It's not so bad but it is bloody annoying when it happens twice in quick succession. I am hopeful that the christmas one will come through - I'm told it's been sent, but nothing has arrived yet. (It'll be sods law that I post this and it turns up tomorrow.)

However, in the halloween swap, we had a moderator participating. And she encouraged our organiser to leave bad feedback for those who flaked out on the swap.