Resale Overprice (foreal)

Not it's not "fair" but the doll belongs to the person, they can do what they like with it. If someone really wants the doll they will pay whatever the cost for it.

 

I think if the sculp is mpre rare than yes you can but if its a popular doll and a doll thats cheaper In price should be sOld for a normal price

 

I can't believe we're still having this discussion. We can't be the Price Police. People will charge what they want to charge for their possessions, and either it will be worth that price to someone and they'll pay it, or it won't sell. I've seen some ridiculously overpriced dolls (commonly available ones marked up a few hundred dollars) on the marketplace, but I don't think its "wrong," of course it's "ok", I just laugh because nobody is going to pay that price! (In fact I saved a couple to go back and check on out of curiosity, nope, not sold).

What even is fair anyway? Is it unfair that someone who wants the doll can't buy the doll cos they don't have enough money for a secondhand limited? (if its not limited, let the seller be foolish and don't buy, it's not hurting you). That's just life. I can't afford a lambourgini or that new sewing machine I want.

 

As long as a seller is upfront about the condition of the doll and aren't tacking on sneaky upcharges after the fact (like, the buyer agrees on paying $800, and after the agreement is made and everything is ready to go, the seller tries to tack on an extra $40 for shipping at the last minute), then I don't see a problem with them asking for whatever price they want. Like many have said, either buyers will pay the price or they won't. In the grand scheme of things, original retail price has little or no bearing on current market value...buyers will determine the actual value of the item by how much they're willing to spend to get their hands on one. If someone's trying to sell a normal doll that's still available from the original manufacturer for three times what the manufacturer is asking for it...who in their right mind is going to buy from them? They'd just go buy from the company directly.

 

Well sure, technically it's your possession so you can make up any price you want, even if it's not one that's supported by the market. You can also put an ordinary penny up on ebay and ask a dollar for it too. Is it wrong? No. Does it make you look really stupid, yes. But people still do it when it comes to their dolls. In fact, I just saw another example of it this morning. You know, the "here's my doll (still a commonly available sculpt from the factory) and I want more than you would pay for it if it was brand new...only mine has chips, stains, bad yellowing, a terrible faceup (good luck removing it,) on and on. What the!!! Poor deluded soul...then they'll be wringing their hands wondering why no one wants to purchase their ?lovely? damaged possession...because, after all, they loved it once themselves which makes it good as gold, right?

Now, in the case of limiteds it's a whole other ball game of course. Scalpers will do what scalpers will do...and in that case, it's up to the market to see if those inflated prices will hold true.

 

Unless, of course, they DO sell the doll at that price-- which happens all the time, because there are tons & tons of buyers out there who don't do enough research.
In which case, the seller suddenly doesn't look so stupid after all.

 

I can, and I'll bet we'll have it every year from now till eternity. Why? because there are always people who are new to the hobby, discover this more or less (depending on your point of view) ridiculous conundrum, and need to bring it up again.

And of course they will have thoroughly searched the forum and found nothing like it ever has been discussed before ( yes, tongue-in-cheekness intended!)

And really, it's ok. Everyone gets to be a newbie and go through the important-to-the-hobby questions in their time, too.

IMHO

 

Has anyone had this experience? I was going to sell my DollZone Yuu-2 on ebay because I wanted to make room for three pre-ordered dolls that are (hopefully) coming and to give part of the proceeds to my favorite animal charity. I purchased him from a well known online doll shop new for over $700 with his full set and all. I was willing to sell him for less than $600 just to ma. I had at least two people contact me with offers (I was not asking for best offers) of well below that amount. One asked if I would accept $250 which I did not. I ended the auction after the second request. Jacking UP the price is one thing but trying to get someone to sell far below the auction price (which was already lower) is insulting. And it was partially for charity as I said.

LostKitten

 

Unless you have something rare or valuable, eBay is not the place to sell if you are looking to break even or take a minimal loss. This goes for pretty much anything, not just dolls. I have brought limited there for half the price that it was when it was released...and about 3 times less than what DoA's market value was at the time. Though this is venturing from the debate topic, wait for marketplace access here and try to sell.

Also, as this tread has clearly shown, what you pay for something is not always what it is worth, and unfortunately most standard models take a substantial hit on the 2nd hand market.

 

Many people find it fun to lowball sellers in hopes of suceeding (and bragging about it later, which I find very crass). I find it insulting myself, but I just laugh them off and tell them "Hey, I'll raise you to the price I'm selling it for?" If the price offered was the average on the marketplace, but below the high seller's price, I'd understand, but $250 for a 70cm doll? That's a bit rich.

People can ask what they want when they sell their dolls. What I don't understand is how they can't comprehend that, 7 weeks later, why it hasn't sold. If I see a high priced doll, I do laugh and move on. Occasionally even checking every few days to see if it's still there (oh wait, it is!). The proof is in the length of time it's remained, after all.

Is it fair? Yes, if it's what the marketplace dictates. You don't have to follow the marketplace's hidden rules, but you would miss out on money if you undercut the others. On the other hand, you'd get it sold quicker..

What I've found is that all the super high price sellers ask for ppfees on top of the selling price. I'm sitting there thinking, you have it selling for $800, surely you can throw in the 25-30 dollars for free? Oh well, they won't have my business. Even if it is a doll I'm desperate for.

 

I completely agree with your points here!
I don't mind the addition of say $50-$150 extra for the seller to have as pure profit, but when you are talking about several hundreds or in some cases I have seen (particularly with Dollfie Dreams on Ebay...) $1000's extra, I am truly staggered as it just comes across as pure greed...not even good business sense, just plain old greed!^^ In the meantime while they are waiting for that one buyer with all the money to come along, their doll is getting older and I think certainly after a couple of months if your doll has not sold, you should think about re-evaluating it's price...it may still be brand new, but it will be older and in this hobby could mean it has started to discolour.

A little OT here, but it reminds me of property development programmes, where sellers have a very niche idea and believe that there is this magical one person out there that will pay top whack for their design ideas - and there may be, but you must be prepared for a long wait for that person to come along. I would rather lower the price to something more reasonable and still profitable for the seller and have my doll/property appeal to a much greater audience.^^

p.s. Just as a side note - would a person that does have a wealthy doll fund want to knowingly pay that huge profit to the seller...? I would think not, especially if that person had worked and saved very hard to get a large doll fund. That being said, I agree it is up to the owner of the doll to decide what they will list their doll for, it just comes across sometimes that they think the buyer is somewhat naive. Currently there is a grail doll I would love to own in the mp, but I'm not entering into satisfying someone else's gluttony for money...the doll is blank, there are no extras, so why the exceptionally high price? A little exta yes, a lot extra no.....sorry, rant over!

 

I have to agree with some comments; it really bothers me when someone buys certain dolls, especially LE, with the intention of re-selling them at three times the market value. It bothers me so much that I wouldn't buy that doll from such a person if that was the impression I got no matter how much I'd want the doll. To me such a person is only trying to gain profit from the artistry of a company. Of course, I'm sure not every person who re-sells at high price does it with that intention... or so I would hope.

I am likely to buy a second hand doll for around the same price it originally costs (if it is in good condition) or less (if not so great) -- but never for more than what it cost and I don't care how rare it is. To me price is justified by what's in the sale; was it full set, does it come in original box, does it have authenticity papers? If someone buys a doll for $1000 then I'd find it proper to see it go for that much or a bit more if shipping and such is included. (Let's not even get into PP fees which I think should always be the responsibility of the seller to cover.) Oh and those authenticity papers -- always a must. People should always try and keep those. I don't want to buy a doll without that little thing.

With that said -- everyone is entitled to sell for whatever price and it is up to the "consumer" to decide whether or not the price is worthy of the product. I know some people overprice because they add their feelings and attachment in dollars. Very understandable as well. We tend to think that only someone who would pay so much truly will love the doll and thus it will go to a good home. Everyone's reasons for pricing are different (hey, there's people who really need the money and will try to sell at max price possible -- understandable too!)

 

Thanks for the education. I am new to the BJD world overall and my Yuu-2 was the very first doll I have tried to resell. I will wait for marketplace access and try that. When I first started with the bjds I was very taken by the big limited boys (65-70cm). My first one, a girl Resin Soul Lian is 58 cm. So I don't have to tell anyone here how much room the big ones take up. My Asura has gigantic wings to boot. So though I love them, I have found I like certain smaller (45 cm or less and mostly anthro) dolls so decided to move one of the boys I felt I could part with. I love Yuu2 and he was my first boy but I really need room and the money for my charity. But I am in no great hurry. Thanks for helping this bjd newbie.
LostKitten

 

Oh one more comment if I may...I understand wanting these dolls very much. It was a HUGE descision for me to spend the original $700 for the Yuu2 full set. I felt I was over indulgent of myself. But I thought it over, agonized about it and finally put him on layaway. I have a tender spot for people who want to get into the bjds but have limited funds. Afterall I was recently retired and had not started working at my present new job. I feel very fortunate to have the opportunity to have these dolls.

The email from the person who wanted him for $250 was poignant and touching telling me she had a "meager" income. I offered to end the auction (no bids yet) and sell him to her for $375 and I would pay shipping. The return email was not so nice and indicated I was over inflating his price. It bothered me so much I ended the listing on ebay. I don't think I will try there again as has been suggested. Maybe I was too sensitive but it did bother me and even made me feel a little guilty.

 

@lost kitten, I think you'll have much better luck when you get access to the marketplace here. Don't feel guilty, however, you don't have a duty to help someone else get a doll at below the market price! There will always be people willing to try guilt and bully you into giving you something for less than its worth, don't let them get to you or make you feel bad *hugs* people who do that are just acting entitled and don't deserve your charity

(edit: yup, I know we'll have this discussion forever, I guess I don't take into account a lot of the ages here, when I joined I knew how to work forums and did a whole lot of reading before posting anything. I guess the whole "but is this OK?!" culture is getting to me. Do what you want with your doll. Of course you can, it's yours ^_^)

 

If people want to pay that much, I think it's okay. And I think about it this way; if people shouldn't be allowed to overprice the dolls, when a doll is time limited, it would go like this: only the people REALLY wanting the doll would buy it, there would be a LOT fewer on the marked, people would be reluctant to let their dolls go, and if you hadn't money to buy it in the period it was for sale, and wanted it really bad, there would be almost no secondhand dolls to buy. I sure wouldn't want that, since there's some time limited dolls I wanted real bad but couldn't afford. Now there'll at least be a chance to find them secondhand ^w^

 

I've had this before too where a potential buyer tries to guilt you into lowering your price...I have sold many, many dolls and have always made a loss on their original price. This is mostly because I just want to get the doll sold and so have always offerred my dolls at just below original price...Anyway, I'm sorry to hear this left a bad feeling with you, but would say you should hold your head up high as you tried to do a nice thing!^^

It's the first time I've seen this discussion in just over 3 years!

 

Heh, reading back over my post it could be taken as condescending, I didn't mean it like that ^^; Just that the search function takes a bit of practice and there are always new people (which is good!) who want to add to the discussion. Whereas I was totally shy when I joined and didn't want to open my mouth too much and have read many similar threads to this one before actually commenting (3 years later!) :p

 

Yeh, I tend to stay away from the debate discussions as they can get quite heated eh! ^^

P.s. Completely OT, but petitefilou - I noticed you are from Perth and I watched a BBC2 programme last night about it - looks very pretty there! :-)

 

In some situatuation I can understand when prise for resales doll is over original prise.
It right for me when:
1. Doll is limited edition, and doll with doll all okay (when he sales with face up - face up ding well and not will be lost in few next days). Or when thah doll unique by only her spesial part she will be sales with them.
2. When doll sales with original spesial face up, blashing, some spesial items.
3.When doll have interesting modification.

When doll re-sales and I can buy her 9him) in firm for more good price for me why I must overpay?
or when I must overpay if i will be fix a lot of things (ot a little important things, that hard to fix) in doll?