Sex and Nudity within the BJD Community

That was an excellent response, tumble. I was really put off by the comment that you quoted as I have no issues with sexuality at all; it just isn't something that I choose to express when it comes to my BJD's. My simply choosing not to have it be a factor in my doll's "personalities" does not mean that I am afraid of it or a prude or anything like that.

 

What are your thoughts on BJD photography showing scenes of a sexual nature or implying sexual content?

I think is all depends on the intent behind the photography~ If it's done tastefully and 'respectfully' for both parties, I think it's perfectly fine. However, done to shock or deliberately make someone cringe or feel unreasonably uncomfortable, I think it should have a disclaimer at least.....but of course, these values depen on the viewer

Do you think that people who photograph their dolls having sexual intercourse is considered to be perverted or an expression of artistic form and love?

LOVE. If they wanted to be perverted, I think they'd use the dolls in a different way (I'm not sure how, but this seemed like the best way to explain it, hehe)

What about if the sexual scenes are of a form of rape or abuse? Should people be allowed to photograph such scenes (photographs of this content are not allowed on DOA)?

Well- it depends, as with anything. If that is that happens with the characters, then you can't stop it, right? And people will do as they like- you can't clamp down on it because even if it wasn't allowed, they'd still do it if they wanted, just not post it here. I feel it's abit selfish to impose yourown moral views on something that some has deemed worthy to 'remember' via photograph....

· How do you feel when BJD's are referred to as being "Sex Dolls" by people from outside the community? Do you believe it's wrong for them to think such things when there are dolls such as "Full nobility royma" avaliable? What about Unoa dolls being created by a famous hentai artist? Mods such as the XXXL Dollfie Dream bust? The fact BJD's are often anatomically correct? Are all these aspects which contribute to people having a negative image about BJDs?

I think the negative image comes from their....initial bewilderment with the...'features' on a BJD. Because of how overwhelming it is, it's simply easier to go with the crowd or draw hasty conclusions to 'sort' people out into more convientient categories...
As well as that, saying about people from 'outside the community' seems a little closeminded on this side too~ we should be open and share the love (well, of all the internets I've ever been on DoA has been the kindest )
And I never knew that about the Unoas. Nice. That explains the gorgeous body sculpt

· What about the differences in culture between doll owners. Whilst one person may have come from a society where nudity and sex are considered to be beautifull things, another may have come from a society where such subjects are considered unacceptable. Is the cultural barrier something that changes peoples opinions on sexual content in doll photography?

It doesn't change it- it is a subconcious influence. So yes, yes and yes. (Secondary socialisation and 'ingrained' opinions)

· With so many nude photographs of real women and men out there in the world, why should photographing inanimate objects that portray similar statue to human beings be considered wrong? Would it be acceptable for someone to photograph a naked Barbie over a naked BJD? How do you handle just plain doll nudity in photographs?

I think it's that fact that BJDs are so 'real' yet not that really throws those that aren't as interested into putting it in a negative light as well as the initial 'culture shock' of it all.
Dolly nudity in photos...sometimes it makes me uncomfortable is the purpose is to seduce or be sultry....things like, tutorials on the other hand, don't 'count' because the doll isn't 'finished' yet?

· What about the need to find a romantic partner for your BJD? Whether or not they choose to engage in sexual activities or pose nude for photoshoots. Do dolls really need to have a girlfriend/boyfriend? What about same sex couples? Is it frowned upon to do such things seeing as they are "just dolls"?

With the attachment that some have with their 'resin kids' and the investment, both financially and emotionally in them, I think people can do as they like, whether it's to keep them from being lonely or to explore sexualities.
To a certain extent, I think it's acceptable...I only feel it's gone 'over the edge' if some seriously believes that they are the ones in the intimate relatiobshio with their doll (boy/girlfriend etc) or where the attachment itself has grown so strong that they'd denied actual human contact. THat's overstepping it.

Anyway~ Thanks for reading my opinions

 

· What are your thoughts on BJD photography showing scenes of a sexual nature or implying sexual content? Do you think that people who photograph their dolls having sexual intercourse is considered to be perverted or an expression of artistic form and love? What about if the sexual scenes are of a form of rape or abuse? Should people be allowed to photograph such scenes (photographs of this content are not allowed on DOA)

I don't think people who photo shoot nudity or dolls having sexual intercourse will be considered as a pervert. I'm not sure how others will think but for myself, we always imagine our dolls as part of our life characters. Is like our children or friends or even sister and brothers. If we imagine them as real, we would wish they have their own companions and their own love life style. This image depends on how the photographer brings out. Either on a very artistic way or realistic way. We can't stop people doing this as this is their mind thinking or own imagination. But of course, we do have to give and take. If the forums or some places banned upon this kind of image we do have to respect as because some forums are meant for every ages. So we also have to see where this kind of photos suitable for posting it.

· How do you feel when BJD's are reffered to as being "Sex Dolls" by people from outside the community? Do you believe it's wrong for them to think such things when there are dolls such as "Full nobility royma" avaliable? What about Unoa dolls being created by a famous hentai artist? Mods such as the XXXL Dollfie Dream bust? The fact BJD's are often anatomically correct? Are all these aspects which contribute to people having a negative image about BJDs?

Well... at the moment till now, I haven't face this question before as mostly people around me reffered them as barbie more then others. But I don't think they are sex dolls. I mean from what I know about sex dolls are those human size silicon dolls. O_o. Which meant to help some disable human to relieve their own needs? I don't think is wrong as the doll artist he/she wanna bring out their dolls more to realistic thus they make the dolls more mobility and realistic. I can't say they are anatomically correct as u can see sometimes, they do have their imperfection part. It depends on peoples taste upon dolls.

· What about the differences in culture between doll owners. Whilst one person may have come from a society where nudity and sex are considered to be beautifull things, another may have come from a society where such subjects are considered unacceptable. Is the cultural barrier something that changes peoples opinions on sexual content in doll photography?

Err..I'm not to sure whether I able to answer this. xD But like I say before... may be give and take? We gotta respect the culture some times. Just make sure not over do it? LOL

· With so many nude photographs of real women and men out there in the world, why should photographing inanimate objects that portray similar statue to human beings be considered wrong? Would it be acceptable for someone to photograph a naked Barbie over a naked BJD? How do you handle just plain doll nudity in photographs?

Nudity is part of art. Especially when u are majoring under arts and design or animation, nudity is the most improtant part of it as you need to present the humanfigure drawing perfectly. So I don't think is wrong at all. Is just like a reference or an art to show human figure out in a beautiful way. But if you let me choose, I rather see nude BJD then barbie as nude barbie are way to plain. xD

· What about the need to find a romantic partner for your BJD? Whether or not they choose to engage in sexual activities or pose nude for photoshoots. Do dolls really need to have a girlfriend/boyfriend? What about same sex couples? Is it frowned upon to do such things seeing as they are "just dolls"?

For me, yes they do need to their own companions to keep them alive. I want them to be alive thus me and my friend arrange both our kids having their wedding soon and they are same sex. For me, love doesn't matter upon gender. Some because of loving each other, they don't even care upon age what about same sex? As long as you found your true love you are happy with it. Same as dolls, if I treat them as my kid I do wish they have their love life as well. May be because I myself don't have the "love" word exist in my life so I do wish things or people surround me have love with them. So when they are happy I am happy as well. ^_^

 

That was Londo Mollari in Babylon 5, btw. My favorite character in one of my favorite shows!

As for my two cents... a big difference between Japan, China, and Korea is that they are NOT inherently Judeo-Christian countries. Almost all of the west IS. Now, plenty of people in the USA are not members of any of those religions but the MORALS of those religions are in our culture.

As someone who is NOT religious, I don't really understand why nudity = sex in so many people's minds. Nudity is NOT sexual. Nudity is just that, nudity. Also, rape and pedophilia and things like that are NOT sexual really, they're violence.

That said, I'm totally fine with ANY of those pictures being taken. These are after all just dolls. They're a way to express your feelings about things, whether they be "tasteful" or not.

Remember that in Japan there is almost NO violent crime, and yet more people (KIDS, even!) have easy access to violent content and sexuality and pornography in comics, movies, video games, and other media. Their attitude is "People have these urges naturally, but if we get them out through art they won't go out and DO it."

I think there's a lot TO that.

The bottom line is though, they're just dolls. Doing things to them - no matter how horrific - doesn't hurt anyone. People have every right to do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt another living thing, IMO.

 

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took the words right out of my brain! Personally I see nothing wrong with sexuality, nudity or the like being portrayed through our resin people. and Nudity does not=sexuality but most things are warped and twisted in a sexual manner for isntance a shower or a bath scene. I also agree with the notion of expressing ones self through diffrent means so they won't actually DO it. As a not really religous person I really don't see the big deal with nudity. My mom however...she took away my Vol 1 Chobits when i was sixteen, won't let me buy anatomy or nude figure drawing books and threw a tiff when she saw my how to draw manga couples book..I really don't understand.

 

Why? You say that like it's an obvious universal fact, when it's clearly not. Tons of people here disagree with that statement. So explain please: why "wrong"?

 

What are your thoughts on BJD photography showing scenes of a sexual nature or implying sexual content? Do you think that people who photograph their dolls having sexual intercourse is considered to be perverted or an expression of artistic form and love? What about if the sexual scenes are of a form of rape or abuse? Should people be allowed to photograph such scenes?

I don't have a problem with it as long as it's not depicting pedophilia or bestiality. It can be both perverted and artistic/love. Humans are sexual creatures. They can't completely divorce themselves from that aspect of being. Nor do I see it as immoral to express sexuality. As for rape/abuse, is it within the context of a bdsm relationship? I can't condemn that as long as all parties involved are consenting adults.



· How do you feel when BJD's are reffered to as being "Sex Dolls" by people from outside the community? Do you believe it's wrong for them to think such things when there are dolls such as "Full nobility royma" avaliable? What about Unoa dolls being created by a famous hentai artist? Mods such as the XXXL Dollfie Dream bust? The fact BJD's are often anatomically correct? Are all these aspects which contribute to people having a negative image about BJDs?

I don't care. People can have opinions as long as it doesn't directly harm me or anyone I care about. I believe bjds are more for adults since they're anatomically correct. That doesn't make them sex dolls, and it seems normal for an adult hobby to include aspects of adult life.



· What about the differences in culture between doll owners. Whilst one person may have come from a society where nudity and sex are considered to be beautifull things, another may have come from a society where such subjects are considered unacceptable. Is the cultural barrier something that changes peoples opinions on sexual content in doll photography?

Definitely. People who are offended by it can choose not to look.



· With so many nude photographs of real women and men out there in the world, why should photographing inanimate objects that portray similar statue to human beings be considered wrong? Would it be acceptable for someone to photograph a naked Barbie over a naked BJD? How do you handle just plain doll nudity in photographs?

It's not wrong. Who cares whether it's barbie or a bjd. I don't see non-sexual nude photographs as having a moral component. Handle implies I need to brace myself for seeing nudity. I have no puritanical issues.



· What about the need to find a romantic partner for your BJD? Whether or not they choose to engage in sexual activities or pose nude for photoshoots. Do dolls really need to have a girlfriend/boyfriend? What about same sex couples? Is it frowned upon to do such things seeing as they are "just dolls"?

They are just dolls. However, photographing them makes them seem like real people. So, it seems normal that they would be depicted in relationships. Whether a doll needs a partner is up to the owner, and whatever partner they choose is their choice.

 

I think its photos of nude dolls are fine. Its art. As long as its not underaged children having sex, or an "older" doll doing anything sexual with an under-aged doll.

 

Meh, the only reason why I'd have a problem with it is because of... well, a few things...

First being: People complaining about "homosexual" dolls. >>; Yeah, they're gay, and I do have to admit that yaoi fangirls DO get annoying*, but... really... what's the difference if a boy and girl doll do the same thing? Why don't they complain about that? e__e; "Oh, because a boyxgirl relationship normal?" Seriously? Wtfmuch?? (And what does it have to do with them to begin with? You don't have to go to boards that have that kind of stuff if you don't like it xD)
And even more recently, people were saying how a male doll's posing was "too suggestive" when just a few boards down a female doll was in a similar situation, and people were calling that "beautiful" and not even batting an eye at the suggestiveness of it D:

*And, having been/been around yaoi fangirls a LOT when I was younger, I can say even their perceptions of homosexual relationships are extremely skewed :/

As for nudity, that's not even a subject for argument xB Nudity = art. And if it weren't, I don't think Michelangelo would've been allowed to paint the Sistine Chapel, one of the most religious places in the world, with a 132-foot long mural depicting all biblical characters being nude.

 

· What are your thoughts on BJD photography showing scenes of a sexual nature or implying sexual content? Do you think that people who photograph their dolls having sexual intercourse is considered to be perverted or an expression of artistic form and love? What about if the sexual scenes are of a form of rape or abuse? Should people be allowed to photograph such scenes (photographs of this content are not allowed on DOA)
I think certain situations where it involves love isn't perverted at all, because it's love!! Sex is a natural thing, and everyone does it, so I don't think it should be something people are totally creeped out by. BUT I'm not a big fan of rape/abuse/bdsm and all that stuff... if you like it, okay, but personally, I think it's kinda... wrong. Probably why 2 out of those three are illegal.

· How do you feel when BJD's are reffered to as being "Sex Dolls" by people from outside the community? Do you believe it's wrong for them to think such things when there are dolls such as "Full nobility royma" avaliable? What about Unoa dolls being created by a famous hentai artist? Mods such as the XXXL Dollfie Dream bust? The fact BJD's are often anatomically correct? Are all these aspects which contribute to people having a negative image about BJDs?
About Unoa dolls being made by hentai artists: I don't have anything against that at all!!! They probably know the body really well XD and as for XXXL DD Busts, I know there are some people who just find that kind of thing attractive. The fact that these dolls are anatomically correct just lends to the fact that they're more lifelike, and there's nothing wrong with that to me. It's not like I'm going to be molesting my doll or anything. I do get really pissed when people call them sex dolls though because 1. Dude, they're tiny and made of super hard resin, it's not like you can do anything with it. 2. The last time I checked "Sex dolls" were like, blow-up dolls and lifesize squishy things. XD

· What about the differences in culture between doll owners. Whilst one person may have come from a society where nudity and sex are considered to be beautifull things, another may have come from a society where such subjects are considered unacceptable. Is the cultural barrier something that changes peoples opinions on sexual content in doll photography
Probably, I don't know. My opinion on that is, if you don't like it, don't look at it. That's what warnings are for, and if you're going to post something like that, PUT A WARNING! Less lives scarred, and everyone gets along nicely ^^

· With so many nude photographs of real women and men out there in the world, why should photographing inanimate objects that portray similar statue to human beings be considered wrong? Would it be acceptable for someone to photograph a naked Barbie over a naked BJD? How do you handle just plain doll nudity in photographs?
Well, yeah it's probably the same thing as photographing naked people. It has all the same legitimate controversies as photographing nude people. Sometimes it's art, sometimes it's porn. Just depends on the picture. It's pretty much the same as a human so I can understand why certain people get really offended, but then again, it is a doll.

· What about the need to find a romantic partner for your BJD? Whether or not they choose to engage in sexual activities or pose nude for photoshoots. Do dolls really need to have a girlfriend/boyfriend? What about same sex couples? Is it frowned upon to do such things seeing as they are "just dolls"?
Well, they still are just dolls, but I would like my doll to have a partner because I think it's nice. I like love and happy couples ^^ and as for same sex couples: You can't help who you fall in love with, people in real life and in doll-life need to just accept that there are some people like that and you will encounter that if you're living in the 21st century. It's common now, it's not that big of a deal, so don't get offended!

 

I actually happen to agree with Zest on all the points, particularly about the fangirls having NO IDEA about the reality of homo/bisexual relationships. However, the point about the Sistine Chapel needs clarification, so I'm quoting Wikipedia, because I was too lazy to look for a more respectable source:

"The Last Judgment was an object of a bitter dispute between Cardinal Carafa and Michelangelo. Because he depicted naked figures, the artist was accused of immorality and obscenity. A censorship campaign (known as the "Fig-Leaf Campaign") was organized by Carafa and Monsignor Sernini (Mantua's ambassador) to remove the frescoes. When the Pope's own Master of Ceremonies Biagio da Cesena said "it was mostly disgraceful that in so sacred a place there should have been depicted all those nude figures, exposing themselves so shamefully, and that it was no work for a papal chapel but rather for the public baths and taverns," Michelangelo worked da Cesena's semblance into the scene as Minos, judge of the underworld. It is said that when he complained to the Pope, the pontiff responded that his jurisdiction did not extend to hell, so the portrait would have to remain.

The genitalia in the fresco were later covered by the artist Daniele da Volterra, whom history remembers by the derogatory nickname "Il Braghettone" ("the breeches-painter")."

Just a reminder that this whole "controversy" is rather trivial.

 

· What are your thoughts on BJD photography showing scenes of a sexual nature or implying sexual content? Do you think that people who photograph their dolls having sexual intercourse is considered to be perverted or an expression of artistic form and love? What about if the sexual scenes are of a form of rape or abuse? Should people be allowed to photograph such scenes?
Let me start this off with: Sex happens. It's not like we do not know what it is, or that its in life. I think its a little foolish to think it won't show up in things such as art(bjds) and photography. Sex is in everything, in all cultures. I believe it is artistic, its protraying the fantasy aspect of sexual intercourse as well as the art in it. Rape and abuse is a touchy subject; but it has happened and I could understand why someone would want to photograph something like that. Maybe for its depth, or to make a person feel a certain way.


· How do you feel when BJD's are reffered to as being "Sex Dolls" by people from outside the community? Do you believe it's wrong for them to think such things when there are dolls such as "Full nobility royma" avaliable? What about Unoa dolls being created by a famous hentai artist? Mods such as the XXXL Dollfie Dream bust? The fact BJD's are often anatomically correct? Are all these aspects which contribute to people having a negative image about BJDs?
Well, BJD's are not sex dolls. They may be put in sexual connotations, but they are definitely not made to be specifically, in one genre of just sex dolls. No, its not wrong of them. They have an opinnion and can feel that way! Just because they may be put in sexual connotations does not mean it is negative. People have a right to what they think/opinnions, as well as I have a right to think they are ignorant because they feel that way.


· What about the differences in culture between doll owners. Whilst one person may have come from a society where nudity and sex are considered to be beautifull things, another may have come from a society where such subjects are considered unacceptable. Is the cultural barrier something that changes peoples opinions on sexual content in doll photography?
I believe it can influence a decision on whether they like it or not, but as humans, we have the ability to think on our own, and I hope they use that ability.

· With so many nude photographs of real women and men out there in the world, why should photographing inanimate objects that portray similar statue to human beings be considered wrong? Would it be acceptable for someone to photograph a naked Barbie over a naked BJD? How do you handle just plain doll nudity in photographs?
I don't think its wrong. Its whatever to the people taking nude pictures. yes, a lot of it is art. In a lot of manners, I think Barbies are far worse. I think in the long run Barbies would do more damage then our BJD's even would when it came to nudity. At least BJD's support the body and are correct, and do not make people feel the need to be perfect like the barbies have brain washed some kids. I enjoy doll nudity, I just simply am so relaxed that it is not even a big deal.

· What about the need to find a romantic partner for your BJD? Whether or not they choose to engage in sexual activities or pose nude for photoshoots. Do dolls really need to have a girlfriend/boyfriend? What about same sex couples? Is it frowned upon to do such things seeing as they are "just dolls"?
Most of my characters do have partners. There are just a few (who are in doll form, Im speaking in the sense of future characters in doll form) who will maybe search or just be alone here on the forums. Thats okay too. I like Love, and love is fun to have and in an art form is spectacular. Same sex couples are just fine, as well as heterosexuals.

 

Don't generalize. There are tons of yaoi fangirls who know exactly what they're looking at vs. how it relates to reality.

 

ok then: USELESS. the only thing you could do with that are shooting that would be in my opinion way too close to porn.
it IS already a little weird that BJD are anatomicaly correct but thats even more weird.

 

Nope, not weird at all. They are, after all, representations of human beings (for the most part, anyway).

What's weird is a fashion doll having... none. Poor things.

 

What is useless to you, is not useless to another.

 

I think you are referring to yaoi connoisseurs (like yours truly, he he). The term fangirl/fanboy by definition has a somewhat condescending connotation. Sorry for being a language Nazi, I'm not a native English-speaker and like to have my terminology straight. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!

 

There is nothing wrong with nudity and sexuality of dolls.