Sex and Nudity within the BJD Community

This debate for me look like the same debate with human : is this porno is this art it is easy to say no arm their it is art but when you are the one used maybe you wont feel the same. I don't like hard core photo sketch or movie of people and dolls .That's why I wont go for it. Seeing boobs penis or vulva don't disturb me at all, seeing a doll doing a blow job does.

 

· What are your thoughts on BJD photography showing scenes of a sexual nature or implying sexual content?
I don't really think it's such a bad thing. It really depends on the "scene". Meaning how far things go.
Do you think that people who photograph their dolls having sexual intercourse is considered to be perverted or an expression of artistic form and love?
It depends on the people. Mostly I think it's a mix. Some people do it for their own pleasures, some do it for artistic purposes and to see how far they can test their creativity, and some people do it because they love to see their BJDs express love.
What about if the sexual scenes are of a form of rape or abuse? Should people be allowed to photograph such scenes?
Well, how far will it go? For rape if it's a failed attempt then that's "ok", so long as it doesn't stretch to the extreme. Abuse? Well, I guess that falls under rape?

· How do you feel when BJD's are reffered to as being "Sex Dolls" by people from outside the community?
My sister first said that BJDs were used for sex or porno. I was deeply offended that someone not only did not support my hobby, but was lowering them to such horrible labels.

· With so many nude photographs of real women and men out there in the world, why should photographing inanimate objects that portray similar statue to human beings be considered wrong?
It's not "wrong". The women and men in the real photos are doing... bad things. BJDs are simply models. It's, as some would call it, celebrating the beauty of bodies.
Would it be acceptable for someone to photograph a naked Barbie over a naked BJD?
No, they're practically the same. Only BJDs look better and can be used for art. But if you're taking pictures of a naked Barbie.................
How do you handle just plain doll nudity in photographs?
I don't really care. I've seen my dolls naked why should I be bothered by another doll? It's not a big deal, they're probably naked for a reason and you shouldn't just be paying attention to them being naked but why they're naked.

· What about the need to find a romantic partner for your BJD?
Well, people are attracted to love even if it's not themselves being in love. They want to be happy. My thoughts are that you try to live your love life through your doll and you want to get them a partner so that you can plan how you'd like your own love life to be. Once again these are just my thoughts. Even if you're already in love in r/l and things are working beautifully you still want that happiness.
Whether or not they choose to engage in sexual activities or pose nude for photoshoots. Do dolls really need to have a girlfriend/boyfriend?
Well, no, I suppose not... But it's fun to have that special someone for your doll. Besides if you have more then one doll things bound to happen.
What about same sex couples? Is it frowned upon to do such things seeing as they are "just dolls"?
No, I think it creative, fun, and passionate. I, personally, wouldn't have same sex couples (not against it) But I applaud all who express themselves with same sex couples.

 

still trying to figure out the use of it Ôo u have ideas??? (other than porn pic)

 

thank you! It makes the dolls seem a bit more realistic than having tiny little weiners that aren't all that proportanate. (my spelling sucks I know, and it's late ) And even though I am a yaoi fangirl, I do have gay friends and gay relationships has just as much drama, conflict, and paranoia as straight couples. but most yaoi is a more of a fantasy representation iwth highs being really high and lows being "OMG the world is ending lows" for the most part.

 

I didn't mean it in a sense of literal 'use'. I mean, what you may not like, another will. So saying it has no use is also a generalization. That's all.

 

that seems to happen alot in this hobby. Another thing I don't get is the younger/older couples. There are plenty of people in RL that are married or dating people many years apart! My friends parent's are actually 11 years apart in fact! and hello people, Loveless series Ritsuka is only 12 and Soubi is...I think in his 20's and nobody complains about that from what I see. And another thing that gets me is as Zest said: "people were saying how a male doll's posing was "too suggestive" when just a few boards down a female doll was in a similar situation, and people were calling that "beautiful" and not even batting an eye at the suggestiveness of it D:" It just comes down too if you don't like it, don't comment.

 

Urushi-kitty- I definitely see that point as well. I'm so laid back, I just don't understand why people go out of their way to make it such a big deal. But then again, thats me. And I'm more open then the general person..XD

 

I can see that! I'm pretty open too...with a mom that's lesbian and tons of gay/transgender friends you learn acceptance pretty quickly, but i'm pretty accepting of most things. If a person wants oh let's say a two male dolls, one signifagantly younger than the other then that's their thing...people should just stop trippin...we all got our own dolls and characters so we should just let them do them, you know? I mean this place is pretty open but there's still lots of cofilct over stuff like this I for example have a character that looks like a little kid and he's going to be transgendered and he has a "caretaker" that's pretty older than he is and there's some sexual tension and frustration...but it's stories like this most people can't understand and it makes me scared to even DOLL these characters just because of the thought of the impending wave of negative comments to be hurled my way.

 

Interesting! I have a hermaphrodite as well, and a few trans characters. I wonder how the general population of DOA feel about them? though I think that could get into an entirely seperate thread!

 

yes it could...and it's also troublesome posting such pics because some hosting sites *coughphotobucketcough* delete "sexual" pictures such as of course the classic nudity! why do resin boobs/penis= something along the lines of "Ohmygoshthat'ssosexualitmustbe removed!"?? I love this hobby dearly and hope to see more acceptance..but there's bound to be haters everywhere so no place is truely "fully" accepting *shrug*

 

well i said it was useless and u said ''not to eveyone'' then im just trying to see what to do with it XD
i really said useless meaning: it has not use

 

Yes, no use to you, and thats okay!

 

Well, thank you, I feel proud I made a point~ <D

And now that I read what you posted, I have to say, I didn't know that part of it xD; Although as I was typing, I was thinking of these statues... I think they're in another historically religious building in Vatican somewhere? ><; They were nude statues of the male figure, which at some point in time their genitalia were censored with plaster leaves or something of the like... really quite depressing, imo, to basically ruin something like that with a plaster leaf because the human body has suddenly become ~indecent~ D:

Ah, but I digress- my original point was that it's whatever floats an owner's boat with their own dolls or otherwise, they're not hurting me or anyone else by posing them or designing their characters the way the owner wants (As long as, of course, everyone/doll is of age xDD)

 

In real life, I'm kind of a modern day libertine, except a damn sight poorer and less French. One of my best friend's works in the sex industry, and on the artistic nude side of things, my mother has been a nude art model for 30 years.

It'd be strange if I had problems with pics, sexual or 'artistic' nudity of dolls if I have no problem with humans doing it. I have no problem with any level of sexual activity shown in doll photos.

Re the same sex question, I'm a lesbian, so again, it'd be odd if I was strange about same-sex relationships in doll form, because I like to engage in them irl.

 

This is such a weird thread! I just was looking at the 'new posts' area and am always intrigued to see topics I'd never thought about before. And I'll admit, I only read the first page of posts and the current last page of posts. I gotta say, this thread really doesn't seem like it has a single focus at all! I think the questions imposed by the thread starter aren't really related. People and dolls aren't the same thing at all.

How I feel about people who are nude or who are in same-sex or opposite-sex relationships or who portray people in sexual situations is really TOTALLY DIFFERENT from how I feel about dolls in those same instances.

Regardless of how 'right' or 'wrong' it is, the way I feel about dolls kissing or having sex, regardless of any other variable, is that it's too weird. I don't really like it and I find it strange and unusual. Now, there is a fine line, in that one of my favorite gallery threads here is about Succubi and the photography is stunning. But again its just two nude dolls posing together, not two dolls posed on one another to appear like they're having sex. I guess my feelings would be: nude dolls-O.K.; sexual-ized dolls-Maybe; dolls posed like their having sex-not my thing.

 

Use #1: The most hilarious fridge magnets EVER.
Use #2: Starting absurd debates on the internet that tend to be pretty amusing.
Use #3: It's like a prudery detection device.
Use #4: See above, but swap 'lack of a sense of humor' for 'prudery'.
Use #5: Awkward moment tension breaker when it falls down a pant leg and lands on a shoe.
Use #6: Making my mother's eyes bug out of her head.
Use #7: Ensuring the roomie never fusses with things on the doll shelf because he's scared penises will fall off of them and it creeps him out conceptually. (He can't tell which have them and which don't, and doesn't know that the one body that does, I have none of them on it since it's wearing pants and it's not like anyone could tell... I just don't want it falling off and being eaten by one of the cats or something ridiculous. Can you just imagine -that- hairball?!)
Use #8: Because there just aren't enough obvious opportunities in everyday life to reference the song 'Detachable Penis'.
Use #9: Because sometimes, you really want people to stop calling your collection 'your precious little babydollies' and shock value really helps.

I consider it more strange for a doll, which is supposed to be a representation of a human being, to not have what human beings have, or have externally visible parts omitted.

If it's useless to you, don't buy it? Not that hard. If you are made uncomfortable by the presence of genitalia, sand it off. Going around telling people that the only purpose it could serve is for porn, though? Says more about you than it does them, really.

...and what if you don't take pictures of your dolls? My list doesn't include anything photo-related, but easily could, as I can think of a number of contexts for the use of these things in a photo that have nothing to do with pornography whatsoever.

 

What are your thoughts on BJD photography showing scenes of a sexual nature or implying sexual content?
Well, sex is a natural thing. The human race wouldn't exist if people didn't have sex and therefore, humans wouldn't have been around to make lovely BJDs. Errr...the point is, sex is generally okay but I think warnings are nice for the people who would be uncomfortable with it.
Do you think that people who photograph their dolls having sexual intercourse is considered to be perverted or an expression of artistic form and love?
No; I think a voyeur of actual people would be perverted. Dolls are dolls, they aren't people (even if we're perfectly willing to treat them as people for the sake of creativity). Photographing dolls having sex isn't forcing a living person to be photographed during sex against their will.
What about if the sexual scenes are of a form of rape or abuse? Should people be allowed to photograph such scenes?
Personally, I feel very uncomfortable with this; mostly because rape is really horrible. If it's for the sake of a story, maybe it's okay but I would still ignore that bit just because I know it's highly disturbing to me. This does sound kind of self-contradicting because I said dolls aren't real and therefore do not consent nor have a need to. However, just the imagery of rape to me is disturbing enough to make me rather not see it in BJD photography.

· How do you feel when BJD's are reffered to as being "Sex Dolls" by people from outside the community?
Horrible; and then I feel better when I realize that person is probably just an ignorant idiot. For starters, sex dolls are used for the purpose of intercourse by people. So they would have to be big enough for that purpose and also realistic enough for whatever people want to do with them. Anyone who doesn't notice that BJD's are far removed from this category (too small, not entirely "realistic"*) has no common sense whatsoever.

· With so many nude photographs of real women and men out there in the world, why should photographing inanimate objects that portray similar statue to human beings be considered wrong?
Well, some people find nude photographs of real people to be wrong, so it's only logical for inanimate objects (especially those that look human) to be considered wrong by some too. I think it's up to the viewer.
Would it be acceptable for someone to photograph a naked Barbie over a naked BJD?
Do you mean the time I stripped my friend's Barbie, decapitated it, stuck it over the barbie (thank you Australian friend for the slang), and took ransom photos? ....Oh wait......Well BJD's are more visually appealing than Barbie but if you want to photograph naked Barbies, go ahead.
How do you handle just plain doll nudity in photographs?
I don't have to; it doesn't bother me.
· What about the need to find a romantic partner for your BJD?
I want to for the sake of a photographic story......and for a better excuse of getting another doll.
Whether or not they choose to engage in sexual activities or pose nude for photoshoots. Do dolls really need to have a girlfriend/boyfriend?
No; it's up to the owners.
What about same sex couples? Is it frowned upon to do such things seeing as they are "just dolls"?
It's up to people; I'm not going to bother with the personal decisions of others'. I don't look at yaoi or yuri stuff but that's simply because it doesn't appeal to me, not because I'm against it or think it's wrong.

 

I'm not gonna go through the question list, but I'll just toss a few of my opinions out there.

I think one of the reasons sexuality in the BJD world is so misunderstood is partially because the hobby is just so unknown. People call them sex dolls because of how some dolls are designed (including anatomical correctness) and because of what some people do can, I think, be explained by culture and simple ignorance. Especially in America where we are used to Ken and Barbie with no gender distinction other than detailless lumps of plastic serving as breasts, an anatomically correct doll can be shocking, even seem perverted. Then add onto that that some people choose to take sexually suggestive photos of their dolls and you have something that a non-BJD person could take terribly out of context. I would think the only solution would be to explain that this is an artistic outlet much like nude photography, just done with inanimate objects.

Now, the only time I might feel uncomfortable with sex in the BJD community would be if pedophilia was portrayed but in DoA, that isn't an issue. I might find myself internally asking why someone would want to portray children in sexual situations but I wouldn't immediately jump to any solutions. In America, most people have a real problem with ANY nudity, but because child exploitation is such a real problem, people have to be extremely protective of children and nudity of any child, human, doll, anything, can really bring up some very strong opinions and emotions. We have to remember though, that a naked child does NOT equal something pornographic. You can see tons of little naked PukiFees and the like but it's not offensive, it doesn't have to be. Someone not in the community, again, might not understand that.

As for sexual situations that fall under a category not strictly "male-female intercourse" (which is a standard for quite a few people), that will fall to the individual whether they're insulting. Some people could be highly insulted by yaoi but not by yuri, while some could find depiction of rape not insulting but they might find S&M a bit offputting. I think the only way to prevent a lot of angry people would be to remember that these are just artistic depictions and here, you have the option of looking the other way easily and you should if it bothers you so much. In the real world, it might not be so easy - if you're insulted by homosexuality, you may still have to work with homosexuals or encounter them just in daily life, but in the doll world, you can easily avoid what you'd rather not see. People who are posting their content should carefully label it so people have the option of avoiding what they'd rather not see.

Of course, we do know that these dolls aren't humans. But it's the emotions they evoke that can make people feel strongly. For example, if a person went through some sort of sexual abuse, seeing it depicted in dolls (which are very realistic) can be a trigger for them to have serious emotional distress. Same could happen for any life altering experiences: self mutilation, eating disorders, abuse of any kind. They can all be triggers for distress, that's the only reason I could think anything being depicted in doll form could be an issue for a person to see.

I didn't really put my personal opinion. For me, it'd be pretty much impossible to insult me with anything seen in dolls. Certain things can make me cringe a little bit (like rape and pedophilia, specifically. To me, those are some of the most horrible things in the human world) but I wouldn't judge a person for doing those things with their dolls nor would I immediately feel the need to look away. I'd view it as a piece of art and then go on my way. I'm not very sensitive when it comes to things that are non-human; ideas and different depictions don't bother me because I know they aren't done with animate beings. No one suffers when these things are depicted with dolls, so I feel I have no reason to be bothered. I appreciate all the different forms of art done with dolls, including suggestive photography.

There's just a few little blocks-o-opinion.

tldr; In the doll world, it's easy to avoid what you don't want to deal with. You have that option. Also, people who are posting their content would be kind to label it so people don't have to look at what they don't want to see.

 

These discussions about the wrongness or rightness of a doll issue always intrigue me. It's a doll, for goodness sake. Nothing about the doll is either moral or immoral, right or wrong.

Do what you want with your doll and if others don't like it, they can hit the back button. That includes yaoi, yuri, het, nudity, rape, bdsm, mastubation, kissing and anything else. It's up to each doll owner what they consider taboo and what they don't.

 

never thought of that XDD
someone also proposed to leave the doll bald and naked and hang his keys on it.

i said it could be used for porn pics because anyway u probably cant put it and then put his pants on Ôo so if u want to put him his option part, he will have to be naked.
of course u dont have to take pictures of it. but if you DO take pictures of nekkid doll havind an errection to me it looks kinda obsene...
and of course im not buying it -_____-'' i dont like the way the body look anyway. i simply mentionned it because i found it a bit weird.

and for the part of ''If you are made uncomfortable by the presence of genitalia, sand it off.'' it doesnt really make me feel unconfortable that my boys have penises. im, once again, wondering why doll have genitalia. just... i never got why those dolls have genitalia but not any other type of doll Ôo ''because they are meant to be a lot like humans'' yah but some of them look SO unrealistic Ôo
and i just dont really like to see it in pictures.
and so YES i do try to avoid those kind of pictures. i dont go on purpose on pictures where it says u will see it to then start complaining about it (i'm not THAT dumb)