Tensiya releases Dollshe Tan SA Bermann Il Milione

I just wanted everyone to know that the way Sherry did this was completely fair [even coming from someone who didn't win one], but I don't see any reason to let you know her ways of doing it.
I don't think that's any of your [as in everyone here] business, at least not from my mouth.

Again if you REALLY want to know, ask her yourself but don't demand it from her.

But the only thing we need to know is...Yes I won one or No I didn't win one.
Reason why you won one or not is in my eyes not needed, just the acception that you weren't one of the 11 lucky winners but part of the 900+ losers.

Believe me when I say, that I don't mean to attack anyone, but this is how I see it.

Sabriell

 

I really think it would have been a very good idea if Anu had made it clear if you already owned a Bermann from Tensiya not to put in your order for another one. I think this should have been a rule put in place at the very beginning.

And Im not talking about people who bought him on the secondary market. Im only including the people who were lucky enough to win a previous Bermanns from Tensiya ONLY. I don't see anything wrong if someone wants to have multiple Berman dolls and is willing to pay high secondary market prices for him.

These Tensiya Bermanns are very limited and very much wanted by a lot of collectors, so this would have been a simple way of just giving everyone a better chance of getting one.

And for those who say..."How is Anu suppose to know who has a Bermann from her already?" I say..."Easily!" If this rule had been put in place at the beginning Anu could have easily kept a journal of who had one already. Also in the email, the first question asked for your Tensiya ID, so she could have looked it up. But the best way would have been to have kept a journal with the previous Tensiya winner's personal information.

I agree that all the sells of Tensiya Bermann have been handled badly except for the first two releases. I can understand the disappointment and anger. Plus I don't see the rush for annoucing winners so quickly. In my opinion, since they received so many emails, they could have taken longer to announce winners. This would have given more credibility to how the winners were choosen.

*Liz*

 

I would disagree with this simply because each release has been so unique. And Anu also considered each doll a completely different doll. I personally have no interest in the DO Bermann mold, but love the SA. They have a completely separate appeal in my eyes and only one of them is for me. I would have joined the fray for Il Milione if he hadn't been tan, so that also says that this is a completely different doll than what I would want for myself. So to restrict buyers to one doll because they already have one doesn't seem to apply. A Manu isn't a Heimdall isn't a Shinsengumi...

 

Agreed.

Also why should this rule only apply to Bermanns and not other limited dolls?

 

Absolutely agree. Each release is very different. I loved Manu, but didn't have the same feeling for L'Estrange - even though they both the same, tanned mold.

There's no logic in limiting who can buy what.

 

Yes, but this is your opinion that it is fair, and it will remain as such until everyone has the same pool of knowledge to draw on.

But again, why mention it in the first place?

lizbet, I think that would have been a really great idea. That way it allows more people have a chance at owning a Bermann without having to pay a ridiculous secondhand price for one.

Even if all the dolls "are so different" it's all really the same mould, with slight variations (ie skin tone, eyes, makeup) and different clothes.

 

My personal opinion on the subject of people with multiple Bermanns is this;

I agree with Kokoryta as per the fact that the mold is essentially the same, however, I also agree that these slight variations can be the difference between liking and disliking a certain release.

I also agree however that limitations really cannot be set in this hobby as to who should/can buy what. What I see most here is people being disappointed. Everyone who has expressed concern/disappointment in this thread loves this doll just as much as everyone else (Mostly. Some are here for support for their friends which is awesome as well) and it is completely understandable that it would be completely frustrating for some people who have not had the joy of even having one Bermann seeing others who have 4+ winning again. Those people could have waited just as long and hoped just as feverently, and in the end, just ended up not being so lucky. And this is something I see with other limited molds as well, though because of how Stressful Bermann releases are, this is increased about tenfold when attached to a Tensiya B. Release.

People can buy whatever they so choose. But understand how frustrating as well, it can be for someone to be passed over time and time again while others are given multiple chances to have the doll they'd love to own. There's nothing wrong with having more then one Bermann, but understand that others have the right to be frustrated. It's a frustrating situation to be in. Especially when some people can afford $2000 for an initial release and cannot afford the $3000+ on the second hand market. But of course, pricing in the doll hobby is entirely different and I'm not going to open that can of worms as I'd probably go on for another three paragraphs.

I have nothing but heartfelt and sincere congratulations to those who won; and I also have sincere, heartfelt sympathy for those who didn't. I wish everyone could have a Bermann. I sincerely, honestly do.

 

Yeah see... thing about that is, just because you say you know and it's 'fair' doesn't mean that people are just going to bow down and believe you.

The thing about fair, it's like beauty, sort of in the eye of the beholder. So really, saying that you know how things were done and you know this and that is just like dangling a carrot in front of people and taunting them. All "nananana, I'm in the know and you losers aren't."

You really should have just said nothing.

 

Yeah maybe I shouldn't have said something, but I don't like to read how people try and put Anu down, just because they didn't get what they wanted, and then they start to think it must be because the company did something wrong, and thus being the reason why THEY did not get him.

HELLO just 11 bermanns versus the world...yeah pretty normal if you don't win one I'd say >_>...

And if you think I'm trying to look better because I "know" well that's not my problem if you think that, I don't mean it that way...but I'm not going into discussion about that.

Sabriell

 

I think that if she wouldn't mention it, then people would have mailed to Sherry or Anu or whoever, without knowing she/they had a hard weekend.
If Sabriell wouldn't have said anything, then I am sure their "hard weekend" would have been a "true hell" with overload of mails with all of the same questoin ("why haven't I won?").
If Sabriell would have just said "please don't mail" then you would have wanted to know why not to mail. So Sabriell says so.
That's it. She just kind of combined it all in one answer.
If the method of choosing the winners is fair or not fair is not up to us to tell. It's Anu's way of choosing the winners, and I think it's more than fair that the MAKER OF THE MOLD makes the way of choosing the winners.
You just have to trust upon that.

I am sorry if I should not stick my nose into this whole situation, but I just wanted to let know my opinion.
Thank you. ^^

 

Understandable but the thing is some people who have multiple Bermanns were also once Bermanless and watched others get their 2nd and 3rd Bermanns so I would say that they do have compassion for those who do not.

Also for me owning more than one of the same mold, they may be the same mold but look totally different to me because of the way I painted their faces and make them look unique and different from one another. I also own 4 Hounds and they all look totally different to me and are all different characters. Dollshe being my favorite molds of all time I see no problem with owning more than one of these beautiful sculpts.

This is just me personally.

 

People are bound to be disappointed. I don't agree with people 'harassing' Anu and Sherry in anyway.

I also think how they decided things was as fair as it was going to get. As I've said before, they're Anu's dolls. However she decides to sell them, is how it is.

And I don't really care how you come across. But I think you're so worried about people being 'kind and respectful' of Anu, that you're forgetting to be kind and respectful of the other people in this thread. It's a natural reaction for people to be disappointed, and while I think some people have overreacted to their loss, I think some of the winners have overreacted equally.

It's common decencey for people to not harass Tensiya about their loss. And while I understand you posting about it once, just as a polite reminder, your continuous prattling as though you're a spokesperson for Tensiya is likely to only aggitate the 'losers' more than they were to begin with.

I think a simple "Guys, please be respectful of Anu and Sherry, they're working extremely hard and are trying their best." Would have sufficed. No one needed to know that you knew all the specifics and details.


Also, TiggTea... no one needed Sabriell to tell us how hard Anu works on these dolls. All people have to do is take one look at them to know how much work and love she puts into each release.

 

SDink;

I didn't mean to make it seem like others who already have Bermanns cannot understand how stressful and disappointing it can be. And I agree that a Bermann, like ANY mold can look completely different from another based on what you've done with it.

All I'm saying is I understand why people are frustrated; and that we all need to have compassion for one another, regardless of what someone already has in their doll collection. I've seen people behaving badly on both sides of this release. I'm sorry if it came out one sided.

 

Heheheh...ya know, I don't think this matters, people are going to
mail/1:1 Tensiya regardless. There's just too many people that want him.
And I'm sure they're contending with more questions now. Whether anyone
divulges anything in the end is yet to be determined.

People are going to be frustrated. People have the right to be frustrated. I sort of
understand where everyone's opinions are coming from. I'm sure this whole
Tensiya release wasn't intended to upset people. Things unexpectedly went wrong
along the way, but of course when you have so many people wanting
something limited, it gets insane and adaptations have to be made, and I think no
matter how those adaptations were applied people were bound to be bitter. That's
the reality of this and no hind-site revelations are going to rid people of that.

 

The stress in this situation springs from the fact that no one understands how the decision was made. In a lottery you know your name is pulled, or not. In a first-come-first-served deal, you know you didn't get in fast enough. But with the way this happened, the unknown will just eat away at the nerves and emotions of the folks who sent their emails, and wonder why they didn't "measure up" in some way. Regardless of the motives, or lack of motives, on the part of Tensiya, this style of selling is incredibly personal, when it comes to being on the losing end. It does feel personal, and because of that people are going to get upset, angry and bitter. I skip over all the explanations of what's going on at Tensiya, because in the end it's really not important. It does not seem that experience helps to solve the problem, in this case. And I don't expect the next Bermann sale to be any easier or happier an experience for people. It would be nice, however, if the ordering process could become - for the one last Bermann - a professional, simple ordering system, where everyone has the same chance. My sympathies for those who did not win this time, and congratulations to those who did. It's a bittersweet joy for you, I know...

 

Hmmm I can't read anything that I have written that could be disrespectful towards other people here in this thread. Being kind is another thing all together.
I have requested something, not expecting people to actually read it, but some have and they agreed with that, and I'm happy that they think that way too.

Other things, I have writting my opinion...just like everybody else here.

 

StephG;

I can honestly do nothing but agree with you there 100%.

 

The tensiya atelier has never presented themselves as coldly professional. They are incredibly human. I have multiple emails and dealings and personal notes from them that prove this humanity. It does not matter how the "winners" were chosen and it shouldn't become such a contentious thing. There is, quite obviously, no winning. If the thousand emails had been processed robotically and eleven winners drawn, people would still not be happy.

It IS because of the warmth and human heart behind tensiya that I continue to buy from them - seeing that "heart" being railed against in this thread is saddening.

 

Yes, I know all Bermanns are different and that some collectors prefer SA and others not.

That's not the point that Im trying to make. These dolls are so very limited and in wanting to give EVERYONE an equal opportunity as much as possible, it would have been a very good idea to have ONLY let the collectors that didn't yet have a Bermann through Tensiya have a chance to get one too.

Again Im only talking about Tensiya...I don't care how many Bermanns someone has through secondary market. I don't see anything wrong if someone wanted 2 or 3 or more of a doll, whether it's limited or not. Im only talking about Tensiya's Bermanns. If you were lucky enough to have gotten one already from Tensiya, then stand back and let someone who hasn't have a turn. This is a simple common sense idea to have put in place at the beginning.

And if you didn't like the style of Bermann being offered through Tensiya, then you should have passed to wait for the next release and let someone else have a chance to get that Bermann that you didn't like.

Anu keeping a journal of the people who had already won a Bermann is an easy and simple thing to have done and would have made the selling of Bermann more of an even playing field for EVERYONE.

*Liz*

 

I think what is upsetting people is that if the selection process is not "coldly professional" then that means there is some human choice involved. In that case, I think it is natural that those not chosen are going to wonder why they didn't measure up. It seems to them that they have been judged and found unworthy. That hurts a lot more than being told that your lottery number wasn't selected, or any of the other "coldly professional" ways of assigning orders.

As I've said before, I did not try for a Bermann, so I am not speaking due to sour grapes. I am very happy for all the people who won a doll, including those who have more than one. But I am stunned that so many people, mods included, are implying that those who did not win have no right to wonder and ask what the criteria was for selection. A business with "heart" would care to know that people have been made to feel personally judged and rejected by the current system, and would want to make amends to fix that, I would assume.