The prices of seccond hand dolls. Are they getting ot of hand?

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From later on in the paypal terms (at least the US ones)

It could depend on if you can argue that it's not a surcharge. I interpret this as the only additional fee you can charge is shipping/handling. Which would apply to asking a buyer to pay the fees in addition, if you factor it into your listing price, that's not a surcharge.

 

This pretty much uvu I know some people will value the face-up and what not (I prefer doing them on my own), but adding clothes to a sale just to raise the price...>.< n...o! XD; Just sell that custom outfit separately and whoever values it will buy it...

 

Pretty much echoing what elve and Shailara said... most "extras" mean little to nothing to someone who just wants the doll no matter how nice they may be.

 

That really depends on the doll in question. They aren't like cars that immediately depreciate as soon as you take them out of the box. Some dolls are legitimately worth more down the road without the owner needing to add anything extra other than decent care. At the same time, I don't see abjds as being good investments as it's very difficult to predict what will be popular years down the road when you might think about selling.

Popular LEs and discontinued standards can be worth more through simple supply and demand. Also, if buying a second hand doll in great condition for the same price as a new one may work out in the buyer's favor if there are long wait times and/or high shipping costs associated with ordering direct from the company. Mods really depend -- assuming they are good quality they can add value, but at the same time those mods may not appeal to everyone, so there's a bit of luck involved in selling your doll at the same time that the right buyer happens to be looking (though I suppose that's true of a lot of things -- it would certainly be the same sort of thing when throwing in extras). I do question how much worth seam removal really adds. Faceups are common to pretty much all dolls, but seam sanding isn't a top priority for a lot of people.

When you're looking at a resale situation like on the marketplace you will find some great deals, some things that are priced too high, and some that land in the middle somewhere. It's not something I worry about, because as a buyer if something costs more than I feel comfortable paying, I simply decline to purchase that doll. I've gotten some really good deals second hand, but you have to have patience.

 

I don't like when I see someone asking for a limited price when selling an item without including any of the stuff that made it limited. I don't like the idea of someone buying it who hasn't done their research.
I recently saw someone put up a want to buy for more than it cost to pre order. I messaged her to tell her that she could get it new for less. but she said she wanted it now.

I also don't really understand the soom business model

 

Actually I'd have to disagree with that one a bit. It depends upon what "extras" for me. I'm fairly new to BJD's and I don't have a whole lot of accessories for mine. Due to budgetary concerns I'm actually having to make a lot of stuff for mine. I can afford the dolls themselves just barely. Accessories I really have to think about if I can't make them myself. Things like a pretty pair of eyes, a cool wig, a nice outfit, nice shoes that fit they can make a bit of difference for me. I've only had a couple of "extras" come with dolls but honestly it thrilled me to death having them. Just opening up that box from Miro and finding a pretty pair of pink shoes I wasn't expecting made my day. Ditto, the shirt and little dress someone else sent me with a doll. My blue Miro she ended up coming with her "clouds and sky" eyes and I was very pleased to see those because I really liked them.

I have no real use for very expensive outfits. I just can't afford them and someone adding those and upping the price accordingly usually manages to price me right out of buying that particular doll, but otherwise I kind of like it when a doll comes with a basic T-shirt and pants or a dress outfit if it's not too expensive. It's better than them sitting around naked until I can get some time to get them clothes made or wearing nothing but a sock dress. Girls at least I can easily do that. My guy? I'll be lucky if I can find a pair of pants and a t-shirt in my doll's wardrobe that even fits him. I'll probably be sewing him up a pair of fleece drawstring pants first day just give him something to cover his "assets" so he won't have to blush sitting there in front of my girls, grin...

 

It's certainly try what people have been saying about it being the sellers responsibility to adjust the price and take whatever consequences that comes with that.

that said, there are a few things that makes me shake my head when it comes to the used market:
-When people mark their thread "Loads of clothes, must go NOW!" and then the items they are trying to sell is priced high or at best average, I mean really, what do they expect? that people will say "Oh, she needs to sell them, then I'd rather buy them right away"
- Blurry pictures, really I would never buy a doll that doesn't have clear pictures, I feel that they have something to hide, you know damages or yellowing.
- Charging extra for a standard doll because it has some random clothes and a wig, this is particularly for the sellers that expect to get extra for a bushy wig, acrylic eyes and sub-par home made clothes. Chances are that I am not going to have the same style on my doll, I might pay soemthign extra if I am getting something cool, like a company fullset or something, but chances are that I don't want to pay extra for something I know costs 2$ on ebay that I can get at any time anyway.


The other thing that annoys me about people's attitude towards the market place is that lately I have heard a lot of whining about people selling their doll cheaply, the whole "I am worth more then this" campaign on DeviantArt really annoyed me for those who saw that one. As a market grows, one usually sees that things are getting cheaper, both in the first and second-hand market, I have gotten some hate for selling my dolls cheap which I do because I want to get rid of them fast, that's how the free market works. I do not begrudge people for trying to make the most money possible, but I think people are being very optimistic at times.

 

We're talking about when people want extra money for those extras. Not when they includde them for free...

 

Yeah, after looking at some secondhand dolls, the prices seem a wee bit too high....

 

I agree that I've been seeing a lot of this in the marketplace lately, and to put my personal opinion about it quite simply:

1. Limited and heavily sought after dolls can be worth more within reason. I've got not problem with that.
2. Stunning dolls with awesome faceups and magnificent wardrobes can certainly be worth extra to a person who wants that faceup and that style.
3. Ordinary company faceups and ordinary clothing are probably not going to be worth that much extra.
4. A crap owner faceup, fuzzy wig, cheap pants from ebay and a tube top cut from a sock are definitely not worth an inflated price(this is the one that always leaves me scratching my head in bewilderment when I'm perusing the marketplace.)
5. A stock doll that is easily obtainable is simply not worth an inflated price (and if you think I'm going to pay for your customs fees and your shipping costs in addition to my own, then you're dreaming.)

I agree that sellers have every personal right to price their doll however they want to. But if its price is needlessly inflated, I also have every personal right to chock it up to one of two things: pure greed or utter stupidity. If you want to look like a selfish scalper or a fool, you certainly have every "right" to do so...and the rest of us have every "right" to see you in this light.

 

I realize that I'm just sayin. I like them sometimes even when they want a bit more for them. If it's something that I like or can actually use and it's not vastly overpriced for what it is then it's fine. If someone is including say a used wig or eyes or shoes that originally cost them $25 for an extra $15 or something I don't think that's unreasonable. What I do mind is when someone puts $100 outfit with a lower end doll and ups the price by like $150 to make it a $300 doll set. Stuff like that they should probably just sell it by itself. I'm not about to go for that.

 

This. These are luxury collectibles, there is no morality attached to their secondhand pricing. Do I see prices on the marketplace that make me laugh because the seller is clearly delusional as to how much their doll is worth? ALL THE TIME. Do said ridiculously priced dolls sell? Rarely. The market is over saturated so there will always be another one to found at a better price.

 

Much of what has been said on the OP's subject I personally largely agree with; that is, in the secondhand market, a seller may set their terms and a buyer may choose to reject or accept those terms. Price policing is frowned upon. I have seen some mighty ridiculous prices in my day, and it's fine to have a jolly laugh to yourself, but please do not tell a seller [general] your opinion of their prices.

DoA is not responsible for enforcing Paypal's TOS. We are separate entities, and all members here who are using Paypal are responsible for their own personal financial decisions. Each member of Paypal is responsible for knowing their own rights and taking their own risks, as EVERYONE who signs up for paypal is given their Terms of Service at the time of membership. If people happen to be ignorant of Paypal's policies, they are likely to be cheated/lose out and it is their onus for not reading the fine print.

DoA's current stance on paypal fees is that the seller must CLEARLY state their expectations [buyer pays, no fees, etc..] in their sales thread so there is no surprise and no confusion.

But back to the OP's subject!

 

I have to agree with turtledove. I'm not a big fan when I see people selling a limited doll naked with out anything that made it limited and still asking a high price. Again, though I just don't buy these items so that's fine. The one thing I do like about how sellers are in the bjd community is how they care about what the price is for bjd's second hand. It helps the regular dolls keep their value.

 

It's simple "supply & demand"... if someone wants it bad enough they will pay for it.

I wanted Volk's SD 13 Heath so very badly I could almost feel the box in my hand.. but I'm sure everyone knows how fast these dolls go.

It was tough seeing him being sold marked way up and without any extra services or the protective tint that slows down the chances of the doll turning yellow... but what can you do, it's not my place to tell others what they should do with their property.

Some people have no problem selling dolls in parts... but the one time I did it ... I felt really bad about it.

I'm not bothered by allowing Layaway, but there should be a nice portion that is nonrefundable, bc people will start paying.. then go off and find something else and want a refund or a deal after they have agreed to a price. I've had people back out of deals.. but I've read about nightmares that others have gone through to get the final payments from people.

 

Unless I want a limited doll that is no longer produced by the company, I will not be buying dolls secondhand from the marketplace. I have found, more often than not, that I could buy a brand new doll straight from the company for the same price as what I would pay for the same doll secondhand. Additionally, even if the secondhand doll is a bit cheaper, I would still rather pay an extra $50-100 to buy it brand new.

This is just my personal opinion, though! I happen to be a stickler for new dolls in perfect condition.

That being said, I definitely do see why many people might prefer to buy a secondhand doll for the same price as a new one. The secondhand doll might actually be fairly new, I have seen many dolls being sold that were just purchased a month ago or in the say year that it is being sold. I could totally see someone wanting to buy secondhand to eliminate waiting times and possibly save on shipping!

It just depends on what sort of a buyer you are. Honestly, the seller has the freedom to charge whatever price they want...they just might not get a buyer (; The seller has the right to set a price and the buyer has the right not to purchase. If the doll is unlimited and you think secondhand prices are too high, buy from the company. If the doll is limited, I think it is fair to expect the price of the secondhand doll to be more expensive becasue of rarity.

 

Well that's really up to you to set the terms of a layaway that you are happy with. Either specify that the deposit is non-refundable or that each payment will be non-refundable, and it's up to buyers to decide if your terms suit them or not.

If someone does enter into a transaction with you and then breaks it off, remember that you can (and should!!) leave flakey feedback for these people. Not only is flakey feedback a deterrent - if you know that someone can leave flakey feedback for you you are less likely to enter into transactions you can't complete - it's useful for other members to know. I know that if someone does have flakey feedback I read it very carefully before I decide whether to go into a transaction with them. Feedback is only useful if people leave accurate feedback for their transactions and I would like to know if someone has a history of flaking before I get into a transaction with them.

 

I think it's a little silly to use terms like "over priced" when referring to a BJD. What does that even mean?
A doll is not a necessity. It's a luxury item. If you want it, pay for it. If you don't then don't. People have the right to ask whatever they want, and the buyer can either reject or accept, seems pretty straightforward. I know sometimes I will price a doll to sell at first high, usually because I don't really want to sell them, and surely not to someone who would not value them the same way I do.
I have taken advantage of and given layaway to buyers myself, I think that levels the playing field a bit.
I really appreciate what Jecissa says in the post above, honest feedback is so important in this hobby. I would rather pay more to a good seller than less to someone who is not representing the items properly any day, and the only way I can determine the seller unless I know them personally is feedback.
And cheesedemon, I am so with you there, I HATE blurry pictures.

 

I made sure to post about flakey buyers on their feedback. It's just super annoying when there are other people who want something & someone like that has it tied up.

 

I can't help but disagree with people saying that what people charge isnt an issue of morality and saying "well it's free market economy blehbleh capitalism". I personally believe capitalism to be flawed on several levels, as we see this thread that people agree the seller can list the doll at whatever price they please. it's all based on what they 'want' not what they 'need'. thats the attitude capitalism creates and everyone just agrees to it without thinking twice. No one accuses the seller of being greedy but they accuse the buyer of being naive or picky or whatever.

I digress.
I think I saw someone mentioned time being a factor on how much someone charges for doll. Like since you dont have to wait 2-8 months for the doll then they can charge you on that. I think thats a load of oats. i believe charging for time implies that you are investing or losing out on time by making whatever it is your selling. you didn't make the doll yourself so why would you throw in an extra 50$-100$ as if you did. and I know ya'll can't stand the concept of stealing someone else's work so why would you steal it in the form of charging extra.

I don't believe faceups add value either. Thats something that the seller wanted/did for the doll and has nothing to do with the buyer. A lot of that whole charging for face ups thing comes at &#8220;name value&#8221;. Some of these faceup artists you mentioned I have no idea about. So sellers shouldn&#8217;t sell dolls assuming that buyers know of (or even care about) the faceup artist. Of course if you commissioned the seller to do another faceup then yeah they should charge you.