Too many? (Dolls in drag, / relationships, etc)

Er, I don't think anyone is saying that people should throw a tantrum because their dolls are mistaken as a girl or boy or whatever. Though some of us are saying that this tantrum-throwing happens much less often than people think and personally from my perspective, I haven't actually seen it happen before. If I did see it happen, I would be rather unimpressed and would not hesitate to express the sentiment.

 

I have seen it happen before, it was pretty ugly, decided to just stay a spectator. I couldn't agree with you more when you say this tantrum-throwing happens much less often than people think as I have only seen it happen once.

I will say this though, when the owner of the doll whose sex was mistaken started harping on the person who made the mistake I was kind of turned away from that particular mold; I don't know why exactly maybe because I didn't want a doll that could so easily be mistaken for the opposite sex, but when you think on this it's kind of silly as most any doll could be manned up or beautified, pardon my lack of better expresion . But now I have no problems with the mold anymore as it happened when I was a newbie and I've had a lot of time to look at different owner pictures and such. I wonder, has this happened to anyone else when they were young in the community and just starting to look at different dolls? I'd like to know.

 

almost always I hear "oh, pretty girl" about my boys, and their molds a not the most girl-sh one - think LH Mano, Sard, etc, and they clothes pretty manly as well. Even when I show pictures of new IH EID boy to a friend of mine, he asked "Is he.. like a.. drag queen or something?" Cause he thought the face is just not right for this kind of body. But should I really bother? Don't think so.

 

I think it's funny if people think my boys are girls.

 

Without a wig my BBB March actually gets mistaken for a boy. Uh yeah. O.o it's a bit strange.
Even my boyfriend who thinks all these dolls look like girls thought she was manly. lol.
Its just people I tell ya'! Makes life interesting.

 

Excuse me, but how have I proved your point? I said if I saw a doll dressed in a long wig and a dress, I would at first see it as a female doll-not that I would continue to say "OMG UR WRONG!!" if the person corrected me. And I would not be apologizing if someone decided to cross-dress their doll and then got pissy about it.

Yes, I HAVE seen people throw huge fits about their doll being mistaken for a girl, and talk about how "clearly stupid" the person who made the mistake was-even when it was a person who didn't collect these dolls too, and had no frame of reference.

I think your argument could use some work here. What you seem to be saying is "Oh, if someone says they assume a doll in a dress is a girl, they're clearly prejudice!" If someone keeps insisting the male doll is a girl? Okay, I kind of see it there. Not if that's their first impression when the owner decides to 'fag up' their boy. I am rather personally insulted that you would say that it is 'resisting the possibility of diversity'-how? Again, we're talking about the instance of someone first saying that a doll is a pretty girl, then being corrected, and calling it a boy thereafter-nothing more.

I think you're reading far too deeply into this, and it's offensive to those of us who know actual crossdressers who are happy when they can 'pass' as a member of the gender that they dress as.

(Edited for the fact that coffee is good, and posting before it is bad.)

 

I have also known a couple of crossdressers and normally the 'duck theory' is what you go with when addressing them. If it walks like a girl, talks like a girl and dresses like a girl you address them as 'she'. If it walks, talks and acts like a boy you address them as 'he'. That's why I don't understand people wanting someone who's possibly never seen a bjd to know their doll is a boy, despite being in drag with a girlish wig and face-up.

Prejudice has absolutely nothing to do with 'if it walks like a duck'. I don't care who says otherwise. That's just silly. It can be applied with prejudice, but often it's not.

 

Missie's "OMG YOU STUPID SLUT" reaction-freakout on the last page, it just gave me the FUNNIEST flashback/what-if thought to Jane Curtin & Dan Aykroyd on the old Saturday Night Live "News". Remember those routines?... I just had this hilarious thought of deadpan Dan suddenly saying "Jane, you ignorant slut. Anyone can see that's a boy doll."

You proved my point about "resisting the very possibility of diversity" by falling back on the old Duck Theory at all. The "it must be a duck" axiom is all about Jumping To Conclusions Without Thinking. Which is how prejudice gets started and spread. Because you're relying on the set of assumptions that everything that quacks must be a duck, you're shutting off the rest of your brain that's feeding you other signals, trying to tell you "Wait! Don't speak yet! That might not be a duck!"

To translate this all into a doll-viewing scenario: When somebody sees a doll in a dress, their brain doesn't listen to the rest of what their eyes are telling them, like "there are no breasts", "it has a beard", or "those are enormous shoulders inside those spaghetti-straps".... They've already stopped at "dress", and refuse to see anything else that doesn't jive with their set of expectations. Thus: Resistance.

(I'm trying to go as slowly as I can here; just have to make sure things take hold before we move on, & not drag this further OT. I see Wolfmammy could also use more work because anything that doesn't jive with her expectations is "just silly", but life is too short for that right now.)

No, actually, you're off by a mile... What I am saying is, Don't Assume. Didn't your mom ever warn you about that lesson by spelling it out so you'd remember not to "make an ass out of u and me"? What I am saying is, when you assume someone's doll is something it isn't, out loud, don't be surprised when you get an unfavorable reaction. Do not blame the owner for having an unfavorable reaction (no matter how unreasonable you think it is); the owner is where your accusatory tone was placing the blame, in your earlier post. What I am saying is, if you're not sure of that doll's gender, and you hate the danger of people flipping out on you, then ask them first.

And I never said that people who overreact to having their doll's gender misguessed aren't just as silly.... Overreaction is just so much less common. Most people I know are used to correcting the observer with a laugh, & taking it in stride. The ones who do flip out, they will eventually learn to get on with life.

Nice try! I'm not reading anything into this, because I don't care about my dolls being mistaken for girls, even though I don't even put them in dresses.... and I think you're reaching waaaaay too far to find the offense that you're looking for. I know plenty of transvestites & dragqueens too, but none of them have any bearing on a doll discussion. So if you're looking for that fight, please look elsewhere. It ain't here.

 

I am most definitely a newcomer to this thread, and I hope that I won't step out of bounds by putting in my two cents. (I'm friendly, I swear!) Personally, I'd say that trends do tend to influence the choices others might make, however, isn't it still theirs to do with what they will? Granted, if having a gay doll is being a follower, then I'm afraid you'll have to slap the "lemming" label on me and I'll follow right off that cliff. However, I fell in love with a MiniFee Seorin, and am anxiously waiting for him. He will be homosexual, but that is mostly due to the fact that he will be a character from a story of mine. Not every doll I will own will be gay, and I don't really see it as a fad in most cases, though when I see girls kissing because it's "popular" to do so, then I am baffled to say the least. Again, I hope I haven't upset anyone, I was just intrigued by this discussion, and thought I might pipe up too if that's alright. I must say that I've been impressed with the decorum presented in this thread on what could easily be a highly controversial topic, as well as the intelligent responses made. Thank you for listening to me ramble. ^^

P.S.: Yes, I know that lemmings don't really follow one another off of cliffs, it's just an analogy that most people have heard of.

 

Ah, yes, and if we don't agree with you, then we are slow-witted and must have everything explained to us in infinite detail?

 

Naa-- it was just faster to lump my reply to you in with Suuchan's, since you disbelieve the same things.

 

I really have no big issues with homosexual pairings, but sometimes I would like to see a normal pair of a girl and boy. It's pretty rare for me to spot a girl/boy couple randomly in the gallery.

 

Since we are part of a hobby where theoretically anything can be done to a doll, all we have to go on are our instincts. Shiwoo is a 'male' sculpt? I've seen female Shiwoos out there, who are billed as such in the galleries. So if I saw a Shiwoo in a dress out and about with hir owner, what am I supposed to think? Not all female dolls have pneumatic hentai breasts, so we can't always count on that to be a marker. Clearly some people like their boys with pink toned face-ups and glossy lips, so how am I to guess? What about dolls who started out as one sex and ended up another through our handy friends, the sanding block and the dremel?

Sorry, my telepathy is temperamental, I'm not going to know straightaway what gender your doll is if you dress them in clothing that is typical of another gender. It's not being blind to the possibility of diversity, it's a well-adjusted reaction to being in a hobby where any combination of parts is possible and since a doll's sex won't be obvious at first glance, you go with what is most likely in your own frame of reference. If you come from a community where men have short hair and wouldn't dream of wearing anything pink, some of the boys here will have you convinced they are girls...and as long as you say something complimentary and concede when you get corrected by the owner, I don't think there's been any harm done.

There is no hard and fast rules here, but 'assume all dolls are boys' annoys me just as much as 'assume all dolls are girls'. I have feminine female dolls and I'd be annoyed if someone came along and told me 'my boys' are pretty, simply because others in the hobby like to cross dress their boys. I wouldn't flip out at the person, I'd correct them politely enough, particularly if they were complimentary, but I'd probably take it to LiveJournal and have a whinge

Ever tried looking for girl/girl? That's pretty rare too!

 

Don't you think that people dress their dolls the way they would like to dress? In some jobs, for instance, you can't wear red dreads that go all the way to the back of your knees, but your doll can, so she does. I like to dress my kids in whatever I like to wear.

My dolls usually wear jeans and skirts and sweaters that I make for them.

 

Everytime I look for clothing for my dolly, all I tend to see is lolita style dress...
I think loli has been done to death.

 

i find this to be true, but alot of it isnt real lolita, its just cute dresses with lolita smacked on the end. same in real life really, search on DA and alot of the first things that come up arent lolita, mostly short skirts or random frill...for some reason many people think that makes it 'lolita' (and for anyone wondering lolitafashion.org has a good description/example of what makes an outfit lolita)

but there's quite a market for good quality lolita dresses (ie me) so i can see why alot of people try it. same for any over done thing, really. id like to see more boho

 

I agree with the whole trend thing. There's so many things that've just been done to death, and usually by people who have no idea about the story behind the trend.

Then there's dolls like that, like my Rowan. XD She's a trend follower. She's going through a goth phase right now.

 

Interesting question, though I don't think something like drag, homosexual pairings ect. can be 'done to death', because it's something natural and human-related. As like...if more real people suddenly start wear drag or are homosexual...would it be okay to deny their likes just because it's a sudden trend?

The only thing that can be overdone is doing the same clothing style for drag, or photos in the same style, pose, ect. As a popular quote says the wheel can never be invented again, it just can get made better! (Or something like that xD)

 

This thread makes me think of something I thought earlier.

It seems that most of the male dolls I've seen are a bit feminine in various degrees. I'm not referring to boy dolls, but the ones that are supposed to be men. Yes, I know I haven't been around the doll scene to make a definite answer on this, but so far, I have not seen a "manly doll."

That said, it doesn't surprise me that there would be so many of the scenarios and possible trends listed in the first post, such as dolls in drag, homosexual pairings, and the androgyny.

 

This thread actually quite offends me...I suppose quite a few of my characters would fall into this category, but I wouldn't say I was following a trend as it's something I've chosen for them from my own personality and feelings towards the world...To me, these dolls are a form of art and a way to express yourself which is what I do with them..I'm personally not following anything as a trend as my dolls have been the same since I've got them and will be for as long as I'm into this hobby.

Although yes, I have noticed certain trends, but it's not just what the title of this thread is getting at...Perhaps to some people it is just a trend? I can't comment on what other people feel towards this hobby, but is it any different with any other hobbies?..I don't think so...Trends have been happening for hundreds of years and people come and go from this hobby on a frequent basis, does it make the whole BJD world a trend then?...No....People can do what they like with these dolls, they pay enough for them and spend enough time and money on them to make them what they like...It should be of no concern to anyone but the owner and as long as they're happy then I'm happy...

Most if not ALL my characters are gay..Both male and females...And I have one crossdressing male and 2 crossdressing females...Not to mention that the majority of the rest of my characters are generally androgynous as I see most of the male sculpts on the market anyway..(But that's my personal opinion and know others view them differently)....But I myself am a lesbian who on occasion crossdresses...And I don't mean to offend anyone at all, so please excuse me when I say that I don't find straight relationships attractive in anyway.. So to me, this is not a TREND and it's unfair to lump everyone into the same category.....

As long as people enjoy the hobby and can share the hobby, why should it matter? ^ ^