Too many? (Dolls in drag, / relationships, etc)

xD I had to laugh at this, because my Mimi does in fact talk a bit like that. Except its more like "all talk like dis 'cause its what kids do". But then, I grew up in inner-city baltimore where a lot of kids (icluding me) really did talk like that when we were very young...it was just something we picked up from our environment.

But that was totally off-topic. Moving on!

 

Yaoi is all over the forum and sometimes I'm fed up with, I don't mind about yaoi itself, I read yaoi manga time to time, I have nothing against gay people or lesbian, even if I prefer gay, they are nicer and funnier IMO lol as far I can remember I always took the defense of gay and lesbians, and trust me when at home you hear often : it's not normal, God said blablabla ... it's tiring !

I hope what I will say won't make a drama, because I already did with a single person I know and it let me upset because I couldn't say a single word about .... I'm curious and wonder if there is not a small amount of doll owners that choose to got gay dolls just to fit the mold of popularity.

Honestly since I am there, I'm not really sure to have seen straight guy .-. or so little numbers ......

Well I'm just curious nothing more ... but it is not all about yaoi, a lot do this for others subject out of dolls world u_u we call them muttons here.

But something that let me very upset is that, I'm unable to enter the yaoi world of the person I know with my girl, Amber being straight she is really not worth at all, I really got the sensation to receive a slap and I'm still upset, but I won't buy a body for my guy floating head just to enter that world ... no thanks.

Some gay doll owners may be upset because some people are fed up to see yaoi all over the place, and myself I am sometimes fed up, maybe because of the bad experience I got and would like to see more SD girl ^^; and more straight dolls. But everybody is free to do what they wish so I have nothing to say in a way. But yes when I see my doll can't be friend with a gay doll because it's a girl and straight ..... I sometimes wonder until where yaoi will close mind ( sorry but in that case I don't see what it could be ) ....... I speak for my personnal case, I'm sure there are a lot of nice owners on that forum that won't mind a straight girl.

But yes, all of this sometimes make me think : STOP with those gay dolls !!!! Sorry >.<

Before you ask, no I'm not totally straight, I got/get deep feelings for a girl, but I don't see myself as bi, because I never lurk on girls, or it's very rare, feel no special attraction XD

 

Some members are quite young and I wouldn't think would be that unusually for them to explore their maturing sexuality through role play with their dolls. They are growing up in the age of shows like queer eye, vivid gaming etc. So I think they way the dress their dolls is a reflection of the society in which they were raised. I would think they older members are buying dolls and using them for a total different reasons, I think if I were to analyze myself who only goes for pretty dolls, maybe I am trying to recapture my young. I also like the dressing up of the dolls but alas don't carry one around with me at the risk of looking ridiculous, but I certainly applaud those that do and hope everyone gets what they want out of this hobby and encourage everyone to have fun with it.

 

I think that following trends, whatever they might be, is not a bad idea. However, I think that there is a certain trueness to character needs to be respected.

I would never put my doll into anything which didn't seem to fit with her character, at least not for long. Just enough time to get a few photographs and then I would put her back into something she likes to wear.

 

sometimes people who do things "just because other people are doing it" annoy me because I think people should be true to themselves (dolls too) I think we should look into ourselves and find out what we truly like. people might call me a hypocrite because I dress in all kinds of weird ways (goth, punk, lolita, gypsy, pirate) (yes I do dress like a pirate in public on occasion) but they're all me. Oli likes dressing up too.

 

I do not really follow trends, I think I just make my dolls the way I want to regardless. My boy dolls are straight and never cross dress, so if that is popular or trendy then they do not do it. However, my girls are very girly and sometimes I feel like they do follow popular trends in doll fashion and some of them are very popular molds. However, all of my dolls are true to my taste and creativity so whether there is "too much" of something or too little does not really matter to me and in honesty I don't think it should matter to anyone else. Just do what makes you happy with your doll and as long as you enjoy your dolls style that is all that matters.^_^

 

Okay THAT has to be the singularily MOST offensive thing I've seen written on this forum. Pure homophobia since heterosexual pairing hasn't "been done to death".

 

I don't see how what they said is something offensive. We're not saying that yaoi/shonen-ai/homosexual relationships are bad or wrong or disgusting. We're saying that theres just so many of them that its reached the point of ad nauseum.

 

I won't hijack this thread anymore. I just hope you realize what a homophobic, nasty and rude thing you have just said. Think very carefully about if you'd ever feel the same way about heterosexual relationships and would you ever describe them as ad nauseum.

 

LOL, I sure do.

 

Hmm...I see your point. Of course I don't really care if one thing is done or the other as people are free to create their dolls and styles to their taste and what suits them, so as I said before it doesn't really matter to me if something is considered over done or not. But, perhaps what this person and others are talking about is exploitation? Maybe they do not really have any problem with homosexual or heterosexual relationships, maybe they are just tired of sexual exploitation in dolls in general? It seems the over sexualization is what is bothering people here, not necessarily whether the dolls themselves are homosexual? I dunno, just try to help clarify the points I see being brought up here. Of course, some of the language is a bit harsh for my taste.

 

Agreed. When I see a couple eating each other's faces in public I don't care whether they're a straight couple or a gay couple, it just makes me nauseous!

There is a big difference between saying you're tired of seeing something portrayed in the same style and saying you hate something and never want to see it again. There is nothing refreshing about a lot of the slash/yaoi pairings being posted here, a lot of it is very samey and it does stand out as a trend because it appears that there are a lot more male-homosexual pairings out there than female-homosexual pairings and/or heterosexual pairings combined.

All I'd say to the aspiring homosexual-pairing-writers out there is come up with something new and exciting and fresh that people might actually want to follow, with characters that people can get behind and really care about. I am a little tired with the stereotype of the tall, dark, handsome, emotionally repressed guy being wooed by the hearts-and-flowers, glowsticks-and-bangles skirtboi with rose-coloured glasses...but that might just be me Give me something realistic that portrays gay men as they would normally appear in situations and challenges that would normally face a gay couple out in the world and I'm as happy as Larry (whoever he is)

 

What I just said was not homophobic. Homophobia is irrational fear or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals. I was not discriminating or expressing a fear of any kind. I'm not being intolerant. If anything I'd like to express that I think you are the one being intolerant. Apparently no matter what I say and how nicely I say it, anything along the lines of "there is a ton of this, it's all unoriginal and it's getting a bit old" is going to be considered "homophobic" by your twisted definition of it.

And I'm pretty sure if we turned the tables and suddenly all the photostories I saw were typical Jack-and-Diane cuddly fluffy cuteness, I'd get sick of that pretty fast, too. But it's not heterosexuality that became annoying, it's the ammount of it being exploited, hence ad nauseum.

Thank you. This is exactly what I was trying to say.

I agree with this 100%. This is exactly the point I was trying to make, maybe I just didn't explain it the right way.

 

toshirodragon
Of course some persons may be offensive, and some are not but their words can sound offensive ... what I try to say is that, for exemple myself I'm a bit fed up with gay/yaoi dolls stuff because, there is nothing new and fresh anymore ! They all look the same, are the same, do the same, get the same "friends", live in the same "world" (remind me a hole's song lol )... I speak for what I know ..... damn ! Humans are all different then why we have to see the same repetitive stuffs for dolls ?

I would be very happy to see fresh gay dolls .... omg o-o I sound like a pevert LOL maybe if a new yaoi style come up then we will have new dolls ? I dunno, I'm not even sure about what I'm talking about lol ..... yeah I'm fed up with gay dolls because they look too much the same for me and I would like something fresh ! *pervert is back*

But because I'm fed up with some gay dolls doesn't mean I am with gay human -_- and that's not because someone said : done to death!! that it is humans related as well ... but if folks would explain their points of view it would avoid a lot of fight, most of the time because we just misunderstood something ;-;

*sigh* god I'm sorry for one time barrier language stop me to explain what I wish,it makes me sad. Anyway there is nothing offensive in my thoughts, what I say or else .-.

 

No darling what YOU said was intolerant AND discriminatory because you did NOT qualify your statement with all this apologetic stuff first off, you came in and said homosexual relationships are nauseating and we have too many of them, implying that it is was wrong and that hetero relationships are the only good relationships.

Now that you've gone on to explain it sounds less intolerant but I should think you'd get tired backpeddaling so hard.

Ayusan: Apparently you haven't read my photostories or bothered to read many period. Sister of charity, I hope she doesn't get upset at me mentioning her, has a beautiful, touching and completely enthralling story unwinding here as do a few others. Most of us come out of the same cultural context and we see relationships, m/m and f/f and f/m through certain filters so thee isn't going to be a lot of so called orginality.

Besides if you're so fed up with them WHY do you keep reading them and further more WHY do you care if I or any other person here has a couple of gay dolls? They aren't impacting your life in any way.

Now you can rip me to shred and call me names, it surely WON'T be the first time or anywhere else, but I am done arguing. My original post stands as my opinion and nothing will change that.

Good bye.

 

If intent doesn't change its not homophobic. Simply because one person read it as such doesn't make it such.

Whoo interwebs!

I'm right cause I say I am dammit!

Okay done acting like a troll now but I hope someone out there gets the point.

 

*sigh* at first I was on my way to reply, no I haven't read, I'm quite busy, but I would be pleased to do, please give me the links.

Reading more ... I won't even bore, and to reply to your WHY ? Because I love my friend, and even if she bug me sometimes I love her, youhou LOVE not like .. get it ? I'm in love with her and she doesn't share my feelings or not anymore, don't you think that's enough hard to live ? I don't give a damn of people who say : gay done to death ... I have my own serious prob to face everyday ! And because of this I will continue to look after gay dolls and also because a fews are nice !

Anyway you are defensive and I don't like it, as you don't see the different points of view of others, you don't know the meaning of second chance ? I'm fed up with what I can find right now but I don't lose hope to find something new I would like. I'm not like you, I don't close the door because I turn upset, I always give a second chance.

Call you name or such ? But you take me for what ? o-O .... I would NEVER do such things .... no but hey don't insult me ! call you name ..... I'm not like that and will never be like that .... it's hurting what you say !

I won't come back on that thread, you hurt me because of your defensive attitude and you insult me, not directly ok, but there no thanks, (I am a human if you don't realize and I have a heart), while I wasn't even offensive, if your fun it is to see bad things everywhere then go on, but honeslty you made a big mistake, I see no bad things with gay dolls, I just wish for something fresh ..... nothing to be blamed at all ..... it could be the same with music .....

If you have something to tell me, PM, but if it is to blame me again no way ! I'm someone very open minded, then to be blamed because of something I "support" but is fed up a bit right now ... NO

I'm sorry for others reader, I went off topic ... anyway let's try not to fight too much

 

I think the overwhelming homo-vibe comes from two things:
1) The crossover from the anime fandom and the prevelance of yaoi fans, femmy boys, and crossdressing there.
2) Homosexual culture "coming out" a bit more.

Allow me to explain.
1) BJDs are popular with people who like anime because there's a connection with Asian culture. In the anime fandom, there are LOTS of femmy boys. And there's also a LOT of people who insist that even the manliest men in anime have a secret gay streak. When a yaoi fangirl (again, waaay prevalent in the anime fandom) gets a hold of a more feminine looking male doll, she's probably going to want to get another one and make them lovers.
2) With the recent push for homosexual marriage, I think the non-hetero community is becoming more and more visible, which is leading to more people accepting said community.

If your dolls aren't straight, I don't have a problem with it. That said, yes, there are a LOT of homosexual dolls around here.

As for me? All of my (planned) dolls have serious backstories that I've considered (and am in the process of writing out) when developing their characters. All of them are kinda tragic because the way I have my dolls planned, all of the characters were dead before they became my dolls. And lemme tell ya, my resin crew is like... all over the sexual preference spectrum. I've got a couple of bisexual ones, a few straight ones, a lesbian, a girl who's questioning her sexuality, one asexual, one who's "straight but not narrow" (i.e., he likes women but will sometimes play-flirt with guys)... etc. As far as crossdressing goes... the only forseeable crossdressing I imagine with my resin crew involves cosplay, and most of that would be "Omake: Hey, look, I forced so-and-so into a skirt/dress/such-and-such cosplay! I hope you laugh and I hope he doesn't kill me for this!" That said, I am a yaoi fangirl and chances are that my boys will have their gay moments.

 

I don't think it's a case of 'Too many X' it's a case of not enough of other things.
There are Sooooo many amazing, imaginative ideas for dolls but not enough people open their minds to it.

 

LOL, I would have to agree. I remember back in college I worked at a grocery store deli. I looked over one day and there was a man and woman making out by the cheese display They were both adults, so it's not like they didn't know better.

There's room for all kinds of stories, and variety is the spice of life. However, I think one reason why you don't see more realistic depictions, is because the genre (meaning the stuff influenced by yaoi--I realize that not every boyxboy photostory/characters fit into that category, but it seems to be the most prevalent) is not geared that way. It's supposed to be a fantasy and as such reality isn't always meant to play a big role. Now I'm not saying that that doesn't mean there still can't be quite a lot of differences between stories and characters (nor do I want to overgeneralize)--there's no reason why something can't be a total fantasy and very original at the same time, but the unreality vs reality with all the real life issues is another thing entirely. For me personally, I prefer the fantasy element and am less interested in true to life tales which is also reflected in my own art and writing. However, my entrance into bjds was through being a yaoi fan and naturally that is reflected in a number of my doll activities. I think bjd people who are coming into the hobby from elsewhere would have a different take on things and perhaps be more likely to create the kinds of stories you lean more towards, but it all comes down to who's the most active when it comes to putting out doll stories. (though I still believe that there is more variety out there than people often give credit for)

When it comes to any story whether fiction, photo, comic, whatever, I would say that good writing and character development is the key. There can be many works based around a similar idea, but having/not having those two things can be what makes or breaks it. I would rather see a familiar theme done really really well than something highly original and poorly executed.

Very good point--a lot of my doll couples are boyxboy, but I do also have a girlxgirl couple and several girlxboy pairs too. However, I rarely post in the gallery, so unless they personally know me and my dolls, no one is likely to realize that I do have pairings that aren't between two boys. I'm sure I'm not alone in a camera-less state.