Too many? (Dolls in drag, / relationships, etc)

LOLZ!!! You're so right. One of my dearest friends is a huge hairy bear, and he is nothing like anime twinks all the little girls seem to love so much. Seriously though, I think promoting any kind of stereotype is offensive. And dangerous. Even if it's a "positive" stereotype, like someone stating that they find homosexual relationships more romantic than heterosexual (someone actually wrote this in this forum). It's like saying that all Blacks got rhythm - seemingly positive statement that is profoundly offensive because it stereotypes a whole group of people.

Having said that, I honestly believe that people are free to play with their dolls the way they want, and be as silly as they want with their characters. Just don't get heartbroken when folks fail to ooh and aah over them.

 

Katyok very true... *gives thumbs up*

As for the lack of realism I beg to differ yes there are those out there that look like anime figures I personally find them repulsive. but certain sculpts from soom and dollzone are quite realistic and very nice still pretty but you can tell with the strong jaw and short wig its a male

 

The only problem is that not a lot of BJD sculpts can fit into the "bear" category. There are more and more manly dolls coming around, but there's still nowhere near a great selection.

My boy dolls will be gay/bi (Because I don't personally like girl dolls, but I still want them to have romantic interests) and none of the manly sculpts appeal to me, so I'm stuck with girly-boys instead. Not much can be done about it until there are still more sculpts made and sold.

 

Not to stick my nose in here but for the past few posters, I'm wondering how many of you acually read a few pages back or understand what many people here have already posted about the ideaof 'yaoi' and BL, in that it is really not meant to depict a realistic homosexual pairing. That doesn't mean it can't, but I think it's sort of silly to bash it when it's purpose was to be a fantasy for mostly straight women and not homosexual men-two completely different target audiences.

I personally have met my far share of homosexuals in my lifetime (both men and women), and understand the difference completey between real life and fantasy. Yes, I realize that a couple of my gay pairings with my dolls are pretty silly and fluffy (along with some not so silly and fluffy couples), but that doesn't mean I don't understand the difference between what is real and what is not and it doesn't make me 'disgusted' in any way when I know that real gay men are not like my little fantasy pairings. I still support them and they are still my friends.

What I'm trying to point out is, just because someone has alot of froo-froo girly gay dolls doesn't automatically mean they are delusional and hypocritical to real life issues. Just as someone who might like to collect unicorn figurines and such probably understands that there is a difference between her fantasy and to not get disappointed of revulsed when looking at normal horses that aren't all glittery or smell like flowers. She collects unicorns as an escape, as a fantasy and there's nothing wrong with that, just as some people also might use their dolls as a fantasy as well. If someone wants a more realistic depiction of a gay man in their doll collection, more power to them but it doesn't make their version of play more valid than someone elses.

 

You've said all I wanted to say, but better! Thank you!

I think this is the best description i've heard so far on the matter And I agree entirely!

 

That made me laugh... a good way to put it, a clever analogy.

 

Moms, Closets, REALITY? Please no reality!

I am guessing that lots of us are not attempting to reflect the real world through dolls. For many of us it is pure fantasy in dolly land.
I also don't think liking fantasy is proof that collectors are out of touch with reality (or bears)

As for as moderation? How can anyone moderate if a whole bunch of people like the same thing? I am also not a Yaoi fan but I don't mind it. I also have lots of close friends and family members who are gay, and still it doesn't bother me to see the fantasy stuff. It is just someone's dolly dream and nothing more.

 

I mean it is your character so you should be able to do whatever you want with it. Maybe he/she is a trendsetter so they follow the goth/emo/punk look and that may seem very common but maybe that's who they are, to be in the fashion flow. Also, the homosexual pairs are getting repetitive but like i said before, you should do what makes you and your doll happy.

 

Wait when did DOA turn into Second life... don't talk about reality...

I don't know I have seen it from both sides of the fence guys wanting lesbians and young girls being enamored with the pretty yaoi depictions of gay men neither are realistic. To me and those I know in the gay community its annoying and distasteful at best. I don't even see why girls like it... I mean guys are thinking girl + girl + me at least from what i have gotten when I talked to guys about it. If some one can explain to me why they like it so much with out saying the obvious "they are pretty... they are sensitive etc" then I will leave it be.

In the end though its a hunk of nice expensive plastic it has no sexual preference except the one the owner imposes on it. They do not think or act independently on their own and is a way for the owners to express themselves. If some owners want to be sheep in the crowd they can fallow that heard ill be roaming my own path.

 

Scroll back up juuuuuust a few inches and read InkyBear's explanation. This same old thing has been rehashed over & over many times in this thread, so nobody else feels like going 'round that mulberry bush again. But here, I'll help:

... And there you have it.

 

What JennyNemesis said. I'd like to add it's not only "young girls" or squealing teenagers that like "yaoi." Case in point, it's a fantasy and I'm confused as to why it disgusts people?

I am a yaoi fan. I know it's not always realistic. I also have homosexual friends, however they find it hilarious, not offensive. Well, to each his.her own I guess ...

 

Not all of us yaoi fangirls are young, and I am frankly tired of the condescending line of thought that insists that girls who enjoy yaoi are young and afraid of real relationships and real men. I'm 28, and a fairly intelligent and independent woman. I still love my boy's love. Why can't we like it just because we like it? Some people are sexually attracted to redheads, or large breasts, or hairy men. Some people fondle shoes and some people like to watch. Some of us just happen to like watch attractive men with other attractive men. It's really not rocket science. We know it's not anywhere approaching reality and we're ok with that. Much like InkyBear's unicorn collector or to even use a different anime reference besides yaoi - Sengoku Basara fangirls know damn well that Date Masamune was not a smirking one eyed sex god, but instead was a rather foul tempered, short older man who couldn't keep it in his pants where his male retainers were concerned. Brilliant military man, not much of a hottie. It really doesn't matter what he was really like, only that we really enjoy his fictional, highly fantastical portrayal.

 

I do think homosexual dolls get done to death. Now I don't have any problem with the concept of it, but I do fell left out because I don't conform. It seems to me so many other doll owners are yaoi fans and I am not, I just don't see the atraction, I am new and have only been around groups of doll owners a few times, but when I am in a group of doll owners I feel kind of left out because the conversation seems to turn to yaoi.

 

I think its because we're all bored of reality, hence why we make our own little fantasy worlds up. In reality, you can't find all these attractive men walking down the street (no offence boys! Im sure you're all lovely!) and we want something different from reality anyway. Therefore barely anything that 'get done to death' can be seen in real life- and thats good. So what if practically everyone does it? Its an escape from reality, and thats what we all seem to want~ I know I do, anyway.

If we go by the logic of things being done to death, then like Spazzmuffin said, we can rightly say that straight pairings are 'done to death' in real life. etc.

 

Just for the LOL factor I shall quote the Encyclopedia Dramatica on this subject.


110% of male Dollfies are bisexual; they are gay for other dolls and straight only for their owners.
95% of Dollfie collectors are batshit insane and believe that their dolls have souls and personalities of their own.
90% of owners believe that their dolls talk to them. Amazingly, only 20% of these tell them to kill or burn things.
85% of doll owners use canon cameras to take pictures of their dolls because the popular dollgods do.
80% of male Dollfies are dressed in dresses instead of male clothing, due to the demand for bottoms in doll yaoi and shota.
Half of the Dollfie population have Japanese names. The other half have Elvish names.
Any time two Dollfie owners are in the same room together, their dolls will be photographed having a hot, resin-covered sexual encounter with each other.

 

Lol Thats Genius

 

Very Funny LOL

 

If I may add my two cents on the matter.
I believe that extremely few romantic relationships are portrayed realistically in media/fiction/dolly world. Yaoi is not any different than straight relationships when it comes to that now is it? For an example, do you think "Pretty Woman" portrays a straight relationship realistically? I don't! But I also don't hear a lot of people being bothered by it and I certainly am not. Why? Because it is fiction! It is made to make us dream and fantasize and go all "aaaaaw" or "oooh" for that matter.

And ones and for all I would like to point out that there are gay men who read and watch yaoi and absolutely freaking love it! I happen to be one of those men and I am quite tired of hearing the old "oh, yaoi is made by women for women". That is a silly quote from wikipedia that many believe to be the only truth. I know many other gay friends who enjoy themselves a yaoi treat every now and then. I would also like to add that a lot of yaoi is drawn and written by men as well.

 

Well said! I am also glad to finally see proof against that stupid quote. For one thing I doubt women would know enough about men and malexmale relationships to write every single yaoi thing out there XD Being a girl myself, I certainly dont know enough about that sort of thing to confidently write a story

Sure, I have malexmale characters but like you said- its fiction, it is what you make of it It doesn't have to mirror real life at all! I mean for goodness' sake, you dont see a dragon walk by casually on your way to work now do you?