What defines ABJD?

I would say keep the borders as they are today; ABJD don't only have to be ball jointed and the correct size, it's about the attitude behind making them; they should be easelly customizable and owners are encouraged to do whatever they want with the dolls. They are not only for display, but also for playing with (although facion dolls can be played with, I don't have the impression that they are played with as much as ABJDs are).

A lot of this has to go with instinct and feelings, and, of cause, what the moderators decide to allow and not. The seperation between "asian + dolls made by people on the forum" and "the rest of BJDs" seems ok to me, at least.

 

BJD isn't what defines whether a doll can be allowed here, you guys are missing the point, being resin and jointed isn't the only thing. x3 Yes, that's the standard base of what it is (BJD).

And I'm not here to see fashion dolls, I don't want them here. I come here for BJD (in our sense, not a wide sense) and if someone is interested in fashion dolls they should take it to the correct board the same way we make 1/6 dollfie go to the different board. We need to keep it organized some way. As a El isn't going to be welcome at a fashion doll site, a fashion doll doesn't really belong here.

Just because a doll is a BJD, there is other things that need to be taken into consideration. She's resin, yes. She's ball jointed, yes. But, she's a fashion doll. Fashion dolls (as has been said) aren't really made to be customized, or at the very least easily change hair and eyes. That's why the doll isn't really a good fit for this board.

This is the basis of the dolls of this board: they're made to me changed, some happen to be resin and jointed too. But, as has been seen, not even all dolls are resin, we're getting vinyl Dears now, and many different joint systems. I don't think the line is too hard to see, I think with our own judgement we can see it pretty well most of the time if we stick to keeping the customizable ones here.

I guess the bottom line is, many dolls can technically belong here. But just because a doll can technically fit, it doesn't mean that it belongs here fully. Our judgement will serve us best on what is and isn't, and there are many other boards where the other dolls may better belong. Which is fine, DoA isn't a haven for all dolls.

 

Oh wow I kinda..skimmed over that last part. XD;; What exactly is 'asian style of body' though? Or is it supposed to be 'asian style of body and facial sculpting'? Hmm, hmm, either way don't mind me. I gotta get back to cracking cases with Phoenix Wright anyway.

 

Bingo!! I am wondering the same thin in a HUGE way.

I just ordered this darling, and have boo cou questions in our forum regarding her.

She is CLEARLY designed, to wear 1/6th scale, albeit, fashion doll clothing (Jenny, Barbie, Blythe, Licca, Azone, Dolfie Plus).

She is created in Asia (Korea) but oh boy, let me tell you, when 1/6th scale people (fashion doll aficioandos etc) get a hold of her, will she be allowed here? Will she be TOO much, the Fashion doll? To be here?

I am simply curious, I am not judgeing.....

I am buying her, and honestly, I don't really care if she gets to be here or not, but, it DOES present an interesting question, for discussion...

Does a 1/16th scale, TRUE BJD, with a Fashion doll compatible body FIT here???

I am seriously curious......

Hugs,
g

 

Well, we keep the 1/6 size of unoa here (I forget what they are called) Are these dolls made to wear wigs and the eyes can be switched? That's why the Unola (is that what they're called? O_O) belong here. I think another reason they were is because they were made by the same maker of Unoa and Unoss, so they'd be more widely accepted. I think we'll have to wait until a mod says for sure whether those types will be kept here.

Can I see a picture?

 

Well, in the end the Mods determine who belongs here. If we decide a doll is a Fashion Doll or a 1/6th doll, then it doesn't belong.

We try to be reasonable, but understandably, we want to moderate a forum about something we're interested in and feel somewhat knowlegeable about, and that's Asian-styled BJD.

I for one would be (and am) completely lost on a Fashion Doll forum. I don't know Tyler from Gene.

And the Sybarites are pretty much a no-brainer on this score. Not only are they obviously Fashion Dolls, as everyone agrees, but they're designed in England - only the factory is in Asia.

 

So, let me just ask the mods. Is this new Uyoo, a BJD ( I personally think she is) Or, is she is 1/6th scale, more aligned with a Fashion dolls kind of being?

I am asking, because I am sincerely, NOT sure.......

I DO see her as a TRUE BJD, BUT, there is that business of her being able to wear 1/6th scale stuff....

I just wanna know...

 

Zalem said..
"Even from a customization standpoint it's different. A customizer might do up a fashion doll and sell it, but is it very likely that the person who buys it is going to take it and re-root the hair and perhaps repaint it?"

Not likely The fasion doll world is loaded with "top of the line" remake artists, who's bids on a Barbie, or tyler can comfortably exceed a price tag of $500...

I wouldn't pay that for a fashion doll, but I have sold a few at the $300 plus price tag.

If you don't think Fashion doll people, are into customizing, then you are totally in the dark.

I am not making a case for Fashion dolls, I think I said, many posts ago, that I had lost my enthusiasm for them..
However, if ABJD are ALL about customizing, and if that is the determinant, then I would highly suggest you look at some of the icredibly customized "fashion dolls" that are on the market, every single day on ebay, as OOAKS's.


Hugs,
gayle
(who is NOT trying to change anybody's mind about anything)

 

Erm I think Zalem meant that it'd be unlikely for a customizer to buy an already-customized-by-someone-else doll and then redo it again. I was under the same impression..

 

Fashion dolls can be customized, yes. But easily? No. They can't. ABJD are much more geared towards this. Even if you had no talent for painting you can change a wig or change the eyes out. Sanding and coating is also easily learned. You're actively encouraged to do this. Here people will wipe off that LE faceup to try their hand on a new one. And most of us aren't top of the line customizers either. One is encouraged to try it whether you're top of the line or brand new to it. And once again there is my point about the companies themselves and their attitudes towards their products. It's totally different.

 

I don't know enough about her really. Is she strung like normal BJD? I think her face certainly looks ABJD in style. If she truly is resin, ball-jointed and strung then I'd say she belongs here no matter what her size as long as her general style is in accord with ABJD. I certainly see her closer to ABJD style then fashion doll style.

 

I would say Uyoo definitely belongs here--not only is she ball-jointed, but she's made to be easily customized, and the style is definitley like the other Asian bjds. Granted, stylistically, all the bjd companies are different yet, when compared to other types of dolls, there is something that sets them all apart, if that makes sense. When I looked at the picture of the Sylabite (sp?) it's face sculpt gave it away as a fashion doll.

 

Zalem, I hear you.

But it DOES get blurred, does it not?

 

Well when you have dolls like mini gem then yeah, it does sort of get a bit tricky. ^^;;; Because she is 1/6th so you begin to think whether she shouldn't be on a 1/6th forum like lunar ark. But she is ABJD style so I think she belongs here.

 

My point, exactly..

Where does she belong?

She's an ABJD, but she is also fashion doll sized, and CLEARLY geared to meet the Jenny, Barbie, Momoko etc.., market..

She might be an interesting girl in terms of discussion...

Hugs,
Gayle

 

Even Lishe and Soah blurr the line a little. ^_^ Yes, it's complicated, and while we try hard not to hurt any feelings, or make anyone feel that one doll or product is better than another, we pretty much have to go with where our feelings say we should draw the line.

I think an owner of a ABJD which used a lot of 1/6 clothes and accessories might find more on a 1/6th board, too.

 

I am kind of thinking that myself.
There will be crossovers.



At any rate, I hope that while some of us examine this, that we might be able to feel at home here, and discuss, and figure out as we go...


Hugs,
Gayle

 

I've often thought about the distinction between fashion dolls and ABJDs since I fell in love with and purchased my first Lishe. Instantly, I recognized a difference about my relationship to Lishe than to my fashion dolls. I've been an avid fashion doll collector for almost fifteen years. Fashion dolls are made to be admired as objects of beauty and to display clothing. Yes, some collectors invent story lines to go with their fashion dolls, and some fashion dolls are marketed with storylines, but the overall relationship to his/her dolls of a fashion doll collector is that of spectator. I collect fashion dolls as objects to dress and place on display. Some people buy several of the same fashion doll to display in various outfits. I would say I enjoy my fashion dolls greatly, even love the fun I have putting them in stylish clothes and admiring them, but I cannot say I feel an emotional attachment to them.

ABJDs on the other hand stir the emotions. I felt that "ping" when I took Lishe out of her box. I understand now the concept of bonding with a doll. ABJDs do not have to be "beautiful" in the high fashion sense. I don't feel compelled to enjoy them by dressing them in cutting edge couture. In fact, I think a lot of traditional fashion doll clothing looks out of place on an ABJD. I see my ABJDs as little beings of art. They are an extension of me. My skills of customization are limited to changing wigs and eyes, but they are a way to express myself through the dolls. With fashion dolls, I am an outsider looking upon them. With ABJDs, I am inside the circle. When I was looking for a phrase to describe ABJDs, "companion dolls" popped into my head. That's what they are to me. They are not displayed inside of cabinets--they sit upon the furniture in my house and get moved frequently. They accompany me as I sew or type at the computer. I don't worry about dust settling on them because they are never in one place long enough for that to happen. Their face ups don't represent cover girls, but winsome personalities that have wound their way into my heart.

Uyoo is definitely an ABJD. She is fey, a winsome little personality dancing upon heartstrings.

 

kittyaz, that was beautiful and poetic. I like the concept of "companion doll!" ^_______^

 

They're called Unoa Lights. Unola for short. Also, there're also the PhantomDolls who are also 1/6 scale, if I remember correctly. So, a 1/6 BJD isn't something entirely new.