I've seen a previous topic that posed the question why do people shoot nude photos and where does it become pornography. However I would like to know: -what do you consider artistic nudes? -What defines "artistic" -What defines "pornographic" -Where, and better yet, should we draw the line? -how does this apply to doll photography? -Does dolls versus people change your opinions? My personal opinion on the topic is that to be artistic, the piece has to have a message. Also, i consider the less full nudity, the more artistic. A naked woman in the shadows is much more artistic to me than a naked woman just lying fully lit on a bedspread. Also, as for when is it pornographic? I believe that when it has no meaning to it. Two people cuddling on a bed naked says a lot more than one person hog tying another. I know art is simply a matter of opinion, though and i want to hear more opinions. Also, on the subject of dolls and how it applies to them, i personally view doll photography in the same light as human photography. I dont think the rules change just because the subject is a doll. What do you guys think?