Why DO sellers not include paypal fees in prices?

I was saying retail stores dont ask for credit card fees because they are already covering that in their item's price.

but lots of small mom and pop places i see, add on fees if your using a credit card.

I went to a court house to pay a ticket, and they added on fees for credit card use ^_^;

Each place is different. Do they want to take the hit on the fees or have their patrons pay it. Their choice.
Not sure how credit card companies feel about having merchants ask for fee payments.

I know this specific question is about paypal, because it is against their ToS.

I agree with Advntr.gal said above, if you want to have fees covered, that should be factored into the sales price already.

When i see ppfees asking to be paid, the seller is just giving me the option to use personal if i prefer that or merchandise. Letting the buyer make the choice.
And i dont mind that, thanks for the choice guys. I like having options. lol xD;

If the seller doesn't want to give the buyer the choice and they want their fees covered, they shouldn't mention it and just add it into sales price.

 

I imagine people ask for it separate from their listed price as fees differ from international and domestic purchases.

I never make the buyer pay fees and listings that say $$$ + PP fees are ones I usually skip over. I also won't be paying personal as I want my protection as the buyer.

 

It's always come of as thoughtful to me. Lol.
I'd rather appreciate that instead of (like someone else mentored earlier) having the seller make no mention of fees and then when your trying to pay they say you have to add them.

"If I want the protection and it's that important to me. I'll pay for it~" is just how I think of it.

 

Dunno but I certainly don't mind the company paying the fees instead of charging me XD

 

Maybe they don't add it in themselves because it look a little bit cheaper, like you know, a selling tactics.
Like if you see the thread title " XX head- $80" and another one with $100
of course we think $80 is a cheaper one until you see it is $80+PP and the $100 is already included.
This kind of things is almost the same as restaurant, like service price and taxes, when the menu say "not included with tax"

Also, for negotiable thread, you can only haggle the $80 price. but for the $100 one, people haggle the price that already included with PP

As I can see, I think in marketing and selling, listing price separate is common. But with paypal TOS, their fees should be paid by the seller, not buyers. I'm not sue what is right and wrong but certainly, it is annoying that I need a calculator nearby to calculate PP fees that are separated

 

Well, that's what it's like where you live. Where I live - Germany - tax is already included in the price. When the tag says 9.99 Euros, you really only do pay 9.99 Euros for the item. When I buy something from outside the European Union, I'll have to pay not only customs fees but also VAT - so I really have a hard time seeing PayPal fees as "a sort of tax" because I'll be taxed anyways.

 

Don't get me started on this...it drives me mad. I agree with mau.
If I'm buying I always ask the total cost with postage to the UK, ( if it's not made clear in a for sales thread).,and then if they come back to me and give me a total ,then say to also add the Paypal fees as well, I won't enter into a transaction with them, and I've known people to get really shirty over this too.
I never ask for fees if I am the seller, you either suck it up or add it to the asking price in the first place. I just hate 'hidden extras'

 

Oh good grief, this old chestnut again. I love it when people attempt to explain away their own evasion of the sellers fees by "offering a choice", yes, that's right, you're offering a choice between breaking the ToS you signed up for as a buyer by paying you over the odds for an item, or by having zero comeback should something go wrong in the transaction. Congrats! Your buyers get to choose the method by which they lose all protection afforded to them by Paypal! Lucky them...and yet still people go in and buy from these sellers. It boggles me why in the world anyone in their right mind would enter into a deal that starts out that shady from the get go.

 

In the beginning of this thread all I heard was are how buyers are whining that they should be 'Entitled' to not pay extra for the opportunity to buy their dolls. Second hand!

With price of resin parts being over 100$, the seller will lose a chunk of funds if the doll's price gets closer to 1,000$. that's 40$ lost in paypal fees.
For every 100$ that the doll is priced at the seller will lose $4. It does add up.

Sometimes this fee is added into the price of the doll which makes seem more expensive.

As a both a long time buyer and seller of resin parts, If it is a doll that I want badly enough,the extra bit of fee is not a determent. These dolls are already expensive, what's a few more dollars? I would rather pay for the extra protection through paypal then to have my seller potentially scam me out of the doll and money.

Never ever ever pay for your doll via paypal's personal payment.

If you can't except paying a few extra dollars for a resin doll-part or an extra 20$ for a untouched fullset, then maybe you would be better off buying directly from the company.

 

Or just from someone trustworthy enough not to break the terms of service they agreed to when they signed up to the banking system they use to transfer large sums of money about...

 

Layn:

If that is your feeling on it, then don't buy from sellers who ask for Paypal fees. Nobody is forcing you to pay the extra fees or to buy the doll from a seller who's asking for it.

The seller will eventually find another buyer who will be willing to pay the extra. Because there are people like me, Who simply want the doll that much more.

Lulu: I don't add paypay fees to my doll sales, I already know how much I'm going to lose in a sale, and it's alright with me.

 

Greed, laziness or sellers chancing their arm at making a few more $'s on a sale? Probably combinations of all three. I honestly can't see any other reason for it.

 

Layn:

It is my understanding that weather or not the buyer does pay the asking fee, isn't really your business. If they are willing to pay for it then fine, that doesn't affect you directly.

Unless the Den of Angels Admin implement a rule telling people that adding extra fees is against their rules, some sellers are going to keep doing it.

As to the "Why" sometimes after the transaction is completed, there are extra things to consider when the doll or parts are being shipped out. The seller will lose funds on shipping martial, or a surprise shipping fee at the post office. Or the seller was the first owner of a doll and had to jump through hoops to get it. (Dollpa, long waiting list, rare HTF doll...ect)

There are many reasons as to "why" the seller would ask for paypal fees. Maybe you should directly ask them.

 

You would think seller would know these kinds of things before listing their doll for sale?

 

Not all Sellers are greedy, almost all the dolls on the MP are second hand and it's already difficult to resell a doll without lowering it's price. (unless the seller is a scalper/flipper.)

It is not my place to tell you why the sellers charge this extra fee. I don't charge fees.

BJDs are a luxury item and to gripe about paying extra fees is like someone complaining about the wrong colored freebie eyes in their doll. It's childish and stinks of entitlement issues.

There are better ways of spending your 500$-1,000$. Give it to a charity perhaps?

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Adding on:

While I do find 'hidden fees' annoying, this is when the paypal fee isn't included in the doll's price or even mentioned in the sales thread. It becomes more of a question on How badly I want the doll and if I can afford to pay the extra fee.

I never buy fullset, I know my spending limits. I only buy my dolls in parts and that doesn't include accessories like eyes/wigs/clothing.

If a Sales thread says to include the paypal fee, I will calculated it myself (4%) and see if I can afford it. If I can't I will stalk the sales thread until I can afford it. If the seller wind up selling the doll to another buyer, then oh well, I don't whine about it, it's how this hobby works.

I would rather like that the Paypal fee would be included into the sales price, just to see what I'd be paying.
Having to do that calculations myself or having them suddenly sprung up on me is annoying, but not a determent if it's for a doll that's my grail.

 

I can see some seller's not go ahead and include it in their price because they want the PP fees from the shipping cost as well, but that shouldn't be more than 1-3$ (ems shipping of a doll) which could easily be chalked up to a "handling" or "packaging" fee, in the quote.

I've charged paypal fees in the past, mostly because I saw it was common practice. I started wrapping it up in the actual cost - after seeing that it would lose my some buyers.

As far as paying them, myself, if I want the item bad enough, I don't care - as long as it's posted on the sales post, but if it comes up later, I'll tend to refuse unless I really want the items.

 

You seem to be taking this really personally and I'm not sure why? No one's accused you of charging fees, mostly we're just replying to your comments in extremely general terms, so there's very little need to get defensive here.

That aside, you seem to be missing the main point a few posters are making here, which is that people are breaking the terms of service they agreed to when they signed up to paypal by both paying the fees for their seller OR charging them to their buyers.

This isn't even a matter of choice here, it's breaching ToS and ACTUALLY ILLEGAL under the importation and exportation laws in many countries too. It has nothing to do with DoA making a decision on it, it has nothing to do with 'griping about extra fees', it would require buyers and sellers to break the law in many countries to either pay or receive extra fees. This is a question of LEGALITY over marketplace ethics, which actually makes it a very simple decision to make when buying and selling.