A fat dollfie.

Someone already mentioned it, but the Tinybear girls, Bonbon and Coco prove that fat is hawt! They are small enough to go anywhere with you to remind you how beautiful chubby can be. I understand she is in the process of making a chubby little guy for them too. I love it,

 

If you really think about it, pukis are a little curvy but have remarkable posing abilities. Maybe if someone made a giant puki and slightly elongated in the limbs, then maybe an MSD or SD "chubby"-looking doll wouldn't have problems posing.

My personal take on this is that I can understand why companies haven't produced a literally obese-looking doll, but I would prefer some curves on two of my future doll incarnations of characters I have in mind. Like having large breasts along with a butt to match and having slightly thicker thighs or midriffs.

Also, has anyone considered performing a mod? If you ask me, it would be an aesthetic breakthrough!

 

I'm working on a 42cm sculpt ATM that is especially curvaceous - when she's cast she'll have to be passed by the mods as On-Topic but I can tell you she's all bum and boobies and no need to worry about clothes because she's built for nekkid

I agree with the OP - I do like to see some curves... a lot of BJD's to me look fabulous dressed but you see them nekkid and you just go... "Aaaargh - EAT SOMETHING" Unoa looks great nekkid because she has nicely flared hips and her arms and legs arent stick-thin - where-as Bobobie dolls (love then BTW) are just to thin to be posed undressed.

I'm quite thin - not always by choice so it hasnt anything to do with "idealised-shape" I just love that as women - we have the ability to be soft , round and totally touchable... Its our birthright to be curvy and dang sexy and I wanted a dolly that reflects that....

 

I'm working on a pregnant belly for a BJD it will go on by a magnet and I will sculpt a baby BJD to go inside. I will make a variety of sizes so that it will fit multiple BJD body types. You know, if you want your BJD to have a family? ^_^

 

pregnant is not fat. As a huge, plus sized woman, I can tell you the two are not really the same. For one thing, pregnant women still get cute clothes. There was an artist doll who was being scuplted that was a real plus sized woman. I wonder if she was ever completed.

 

I hope she is approved as On-Topic! I would love to see a fuller,more curvy body become available.

 

I'd love to someday sculpt a female BJD who is closer to the ancient greek sculptures aesthetic. A woman who is not "fat" but all soft rounded curves and perfect little breasts and dainty hands (and no cellulite!).

That kind of beauty appeals to me a lot, because it's very close to my own body type. Oh, if only I'd been born a few centuries sooner!

 

I like chubby dolls if it is done right. I just wished I liked myself chubby LOL

 

I guess the majority just prefer idealistic dolls versus realistic... Hmm... That aside, I'm slender, but I wouldn't mind having a slightly chubbier bjd - like the puki fee I'm ordering~ They're much chubbier than most dolls I think (though I suppose they're supposed to be younger so it's probably just "baby fat"...), so that could be an option for those who want slightly thicker bjds~ ^^b

 

I think there are practical reasons to lack of larger BJD's too. Mostly because resin is a hard substance, which would mean the doll would have extremely limited posing abilities, or huge gauges in its body. Secondly, because resin is an expensive material, and making a larger dolls would require a lot more of it, therefore charging a higher cost.

And personally, I don't think human beauty = doll beauty. I firmly believe that our individual perception of beauty/attractiveness is a mixture of the physical characteristics (anyone who says they don't care about that is a liar) and the individual's personality. So, someone who isn't amazingly physically attractive can still be considered "beautiful" by a lot of people because of their personality traits, just as someone's physical beauty can be diminished by a nasty personality. Dolls, on the other hand, do not have a personality they can express to everyone, thus relying on their physical beauty alone, and as such they're more limited in the definition of beauty. I mean, even among the many dolls I don't think many of them are particularly beautiful, because they really need to make up for that lack of a projectable personality.

 

Another thing to consider in this discussion is the place where most BJDs originate -- eastern Asia. Here in the US, one of every three people is unhealthily overweight or downright obese. I'm not sure about the statistics in China and North or South Korea, but in Japan the rate of obesity is less than 2%. So, frankly, something we find normal (although this shift in perception is ultimately harmful to our national health), is completely foreign in the region where these dolls are created. In Japan, it's somewhat absurd to be fat. You could go days in Tokyo without so much as seeing a single obese person on the street. So why would they start manufacturing fat dolls?

I'm not surprised that the burden of creating fat dolls has fallen to American craftspeople. Obesity being acceptable is something unique to American culture.

Of course, a "rubenesque" doll would be interesting. I find that many dolls actually do have a womanly figure -- a slim waist and accentuated hips, full bust, etc. For some reason, people do not think this is enough. What more do you want -- buldges of fat? "Problem areas"?

 

I wouldn't mind seeing more chubby dolls in the BJD world. But I honestly don't see them as being a standard due to all the reasons many members have already stated.

If it did become a standard, we could have BJDs with the physical traits of dwarfism, autism, gigantism, and celft lips. But I can't see it happening until the whole world accepts all differences as being beautiful in their own unique way. :[

 

I agree with this, it's weird to me how being dangerously/unhealthily overweight is acceptable in my country. I don't see a problem with their being some fat dollfies on the market if someone wants to make them. Maybe they have a fat character or something. I mean we can have dolls with scars, amputations, drug abuse, smoking, loss of an eye, etc...so why not obese? I personally wouldn't want one, but if others do, that's fine with me.

I would like to see a more accentuated hourglass shape though. Even the curvier dolls out there are more asian in shape. I want bigger boobs and hips with smaller waist. The dollfie dream larger bust options are neat-o, but I wish there was something like that in resin T_T

 

Amen to that! I would love to see that. My AS Vera and PW Viyol have very good feminine shapes, but I can't fill my collection with loads of them unfortunately

I love those Tinybear dolls, are they the Moona? *isn't good with sculpt names* (edit: no it's not, read the thread ehryn you silly girl ) Bonbon and Coco ^_^ *read the top post on the page* The ones I've seen called 'fat fairies' anyway - they're awesome! I probably would never own one, due to always getting distracted by pretty limiteds But I think they're absolutely wonderful ^_^ My poor standard release wishlist is so neglected

I can't wait to see your sculpt whitewings, she sounds gorgeous!!

 

What physical traits of autism? It's a brain-wiring thing, and a behavior that may be recognized. Dolls only have behavior that we give them, so any doll and/or character can be autistic.

On the original topic--BonBon and Coco are great. I have one BonBon and two Cocos, and will get the boy(s) when tinybear's time & my finances allow for her having them made. Yay! tinybear!!

Ann in CT

 

Funny. Me and my friend (she's planning on buying her first BJD) was talking about this just yesterday. She asked me if there are any fat/chubby BJDs and how she would like to own one. She said it would make her feel better about her own appearance than a slim, model like doll.

I haven't seen many chubby BJDs, especially SD sized...But I can't see myself buying one even there were many...

 

I don't totally agree that most BJDs are Asian in stature - I mean, one look at something like the Glamor Model Dolls will tell you that. HUGE BREASTS - giant height. Unidoll, Elfdoll, all are quite busty (to the point where their breasts don't resemble real life much - as much as I love them) and thinhipped and tall, which is a European beauty standard as much as it is any kind of "Asian" reality.

One of my friends recently visited Japan (albeit, not yet Tokyo) and said that "there are no fat people" thing is sort of a myth. Every day she's been out she's seen people of her size (an American 18-20). The bigger a city you're in, the smaller people are because they conform more to beauty standards -- just like in the US.

Additionally, let's not stereotype. There are obese people everywhere. And in many other cultures (whether or not these include Korea, China, etc) largeness is prized as a sign of fertility and status (you have the money to eat), especially historically. There are many cultures besides the US that "accept" bigger women and men.

Likewise, it's not as if the US exactly accepts it. The fact that it happens to be TRUE in larger numbers (for a variety of reasons: for one thing, a more diverse pool of genetics leads to a more diverse predisposition to size, both thin and fat; and the foods we eat are often totally void of nutrition, especially the cheap ones, which means those who are less well off are also predisposed toward weight gain) doesn't mean that fat bias isn't present.

Basically beauty standards change from era to era, country to country, and have very little to do with the actual population of that country. They AFFECT them, and how they think of themselves and each other, and the fads of the period, but that varies too.

Bottom Line: I'm pretty sure Lolita and Steampunk fashions aren't the beauty standard, nor are scars, nor are elves and vampires. Or clear limbs, extra eyes, hooves, and anything else we didn't know we had to have until we saw it. Anything can become a doll given enough people might potentially want it: and I think this is no exception.

 

Yeah (tangent) I think this person is confusing autism, with, (for example) Down syndrome, which does have some physical signifiers.

 

Uhm well, Fae, I have been in japan lol and I am very traditionally Chinese 8U and while of course there are larger people, most of them are middle aged, to be sure. I don't quite think that people mean to say it is asian in stature, as much as they meant it is the asian standard of beauty. Youth are always looking to be slim, smooth, beautiful...The spring of their lives is all in the preening, to attract attention. Particularly about the breasts >w>;;;; the japanese are absolutely notorious for the whole big-boobs-on-your-dream-girl syndrome. While of course men are -very- [i say this because i don't want to get into specifics, im sure everyone knows what I mean] generally similar in sexual nature across the world [because of nature], japan and america I think are the two cultures who display it the most famously. It isn't a stereotype either. During my time in Japan I received many lecherous stares and glances from all over the nation from my travels, but i'm not telling you my size, haha.. Of course it happens here, but much less. Of course, there is also the flipside of asian culture that appreciates small breasts and the natural shape of an average asian girl.

Besides, tall people have always been appreciated in asian cultures; they are considered more handsome/beautiful. And tall asians DO exist lmao, so please do not tell me that all asians are short. My own brother is 6 foot 2. In all actuality, the height of asian men has been steadily increasing these past 5 years in particular. Women, not so much.

"Fat" people [especially youth, once at middle age it doesn't matter] in asia are generally looked down upon in all asian cultures [at least in present time]; it cites laziness, lack of energy/ambition for life<--a big nono in chinese culture, and a generally unhealthy atmosphere.

I think the point of the dolls is to own something that you can admire though. The asian culture admires these traits. Height, fair skin [though tan skin is also appreciated now because of the cultural expansion into the west], muscles, clear eyes, clean look [like no beard] etc...

Perhaps I am shallow, but I wouldn't pay so much money for something I didn't think was absolutely perfect/beautiful, would I? If I wanted realistic curves, I have them. If I wanted shorter men, less "glamourous" in the face, I could just get myself a boyfriend. Dolls allow me to dream. It's not a crime, nor does it really affect me by making me think I am unable to compete with them. The point is that they aren't real people. So imagination can take over at any time. I believe that once you start comparing yourself, a real living breathing human, to a doll, a thing unlimited in beauty because of imagination, then its time to take a step back and re-evaluate the bigger picture.

 

Well of course people want to be thin, big breasted (/admire big breasts if they're men) etc! That's true in the US as well. That's what I was trying to correct: the difference between reality (an average asian girl?) and desire (they are considered more handsome/beautiful).

But on the other hand, there are those of us who do not desire the generic beauty standard. The women I find beautiful tend to fit more historical beauty standards and are curvier than our current standard (for example, during the Baroque period, curvy women were considered beautiful in art and even if you look at Greek sculpture, they are much "softer" than our standards today: their stomachs aren't flat, they have bumps of flesh over their ribs, etc. And that's the goddess of beauty, etc!)

So yeah, I would pay hundreds of dollars only for something I find perfect. But for the two of us that is something completely different.