A fat dollfie.

I think I have seen some chunky, stunning dolls - what about The Sleeping Elf's Coco and Bonbon? There was one doll on here that was dressed as a barbarian woman, she had a real arse and hips! Elfdoll June is very Jennifer Lopez shaped - she has some awesome jelly and a very impressive "rack" ;P

 

Agreed. Perfection, for ME, is not something that looks like a concentration camp survivor(Spiritdoll girls) but somethin meatier, healthier looking curvy and sensual but not OMG beachballs glued to her chest. And for the guys, what's up with the chicks-with-dicks aesthetic? I like men to look like men! Don't want the Mr Universe build but please, if the abs are ripped lets put some muscle on those arms and pectorals!

This is why Iplehouse can just take my wallet now

 

I'm not really a fan of androgyny, having played too much "Guess that gender!" in my youth with Japanese cartoons.
So the day they come out with a linebacker guy, I'll be the first to buy one.

 

I think you just killed my brain a little. The idea of an EID in a football uniform has me dissolving into fangirly giggles.

The Lost Angel boy body is pretty nice too. That boy has some meat on his bones!

 

Check out these boys http://www.iplehouse.net/shop/step1.php?number=1251

Trust me they are WELL built!

 

I'm not talking about wealthy Italian Renaissance women, I'm talking about fat women, like the title of this thread states.

America is the fattest country in the world, with a 32% obesity rate in males and 39% in females. 1/3 of our children will develop diabetes early in their lifetime. This is not because "a more diverse pool of genetics leads to a more diverse predisposition to size, both thin and fat" -- unless our country specifically attracts people with a predisposition to obesity, which it does not, and it would be absurd to think so. This incredibly high rate of fatness is NOT OKAY. Obesity is a disease, and it is an epidemic. It is an indication of rampant poverty (obesity rates increase dramatically in people living below the poverty line), a healthcare system that is too focused on treatment and not enough on prevention, poor education where nutrition is concerned, and a myriad of other things, like our "fast food culture."

Asia is not suffering from this epidemic the way we are. So yes, there are fat people in every culture. But by god, America is dangerously fat and going downhill fast.

In Japan, obesity is almost non-existent because they have a far, far lower rate of poverty than in this country, adequate education, and a health care system that keeps its participants from growing ill in the first place (that includes growing fat), rather than only treating them after they present symptoms. In addition to all this, they also have a family-oriented culture where healthful, home-cooked meals are prized, in most cases mandatory. Tack on the fact that they consume more nutrient-rich fish and less cholesterol-clogged red meat than we do, and you have a recipe for slender, healthy people who live on average 5 years longer than Americans.

So... I guess what I'm trying to say is that Japanese manufacturers are not going to make a fat doll any time soon, because fat people are rare in their society, and considered to be unhealthy. They do make curvy girls -- the Dollfie Dream has already been cited in this thread -- but not fat. Never fat. And while a Renaissance girl may seem attractive to us here in the United States, with her round belly and droopy thighs, I think it would be considered slightly fetishist in nature to covet a figure like that in Japan. But we all know how Japan loves their fetishes, so, who knows.

American doll manufacturers might have some success marketing a fat doll here in the US, where obesity is becoming more and more acceptable as more people fall into this category, but there's no market for fat dolls in eastern Asia, where most doll manufacturers operate and sell the majority of their products. It would be a doomed business venture.

 

Just want to throw out there that the US has the highest rate of anorexia too as well as all other eating disorders. These are medical conditions and it is an epidemic as well. So, in this country there extremes on both sides. Thus, it would only make sense that people would crave both extremely skinny dolls and larger "fat" dolls. Furthermore, I think that people also crave something in between (as evidenced in studies this is the most desired body in almost all cultures regardless of what the overlying popular idea of beauty is). So, to me it leads to that people will crave dolls in all sizes and that an over saturation of any size will lead to a push for a doll of a different size. If the desire was not there, this thread would not be here. There is nothing wrong with wanting a larger doll or wanting an extremely skinny one, but I think we should respect people's ideas of beauty my not be our own. Not all larger people are sick and suffering from some epidemic as all very skinny people are not suffering from anorexia. It is possible to not fit an ideal and still be considered healthy and beautiful. What you call droopy and round may medically not be considered unhealthy (most woman that look like those classical depictions are not suffering from a sever disorder, they are usually average women who are just not fitting the skinny ideal shown on TV or magazines). Furthermore, while in the past I might agree with the idea these dolls where created for an Asian market only, I think it has become much more diversified and the styles and sculpts created over the past few years attest to that.

 

I thought of the Sleeping Elf Dolls when I saw this thread too, They're rather charming in their own way, I rather like how chubby they are maybe because I am not chubby and I find it cute.

 

fatness is just one of those subjective things. What I consider to be morbidly obese, someone else might consider just normal chubbiness. Likewise, I consider myself to have a fairly normal body... but you should hear the amount of "OMG, are you anorexic?!" comments I have to deal with! I don't think I'm too thin and I eat normally, but while most people would never dream of criticising a large person about their weight, they think it's OK to criticise me because I'm thin. They think they're giving me a backhanded compliment, but I don't like it.

The point is, a lot of BJD owners aren't interested in reality in their dolls. They're dolls, not people, and as such should be in our eyes perfect, and perfect usually means slim with big boobs, etc. If BJD owners were interested in reality there'd be overweight dolls and anorexic dolls and dolls with broken noses and braces. I'm sure those dolls exist, but they're not very mainstream. Having said that, if you want a doll like that, go for it.

 

This. This is true, and this is the reason I've lost 80 lbs and have 40 to go. I've done a lot of reading on both fat acceptance and the clinical aspects of fat, and decided I wasn't going to "accept" an early death. I'm on the high end of "average" now and heading down, and in no universe would I prefer to be back where I was five years ago. No fat person should be discriminated against, made to feel like less of a person, commented upon, or limited in their choices. However, they should NOT be held aloft as a standard of health.

Anyone who has ever so much as glanced at a Japanese/Korean/Chinese/etc piece of media must realize that fat is NOT considered beautiful in these countries. They have NOT had to skew their aesthetic to (figuratively!) make room for a population that is gaining weight fast and furious. The more we glamorize and rationalize fat, the more our own good judgement will be warped by the need to make our media reflect our sad reality. I am not here for sad reality.

Like myuumyuu said, it's a doomed business venture too, philosophical issues aside. There have been a few attempts at fat Barbies over the years too (the one I remember is Elle) and, well, they're certainly not carrying them in the toy department. I'm sure a few were sold to collectors but it was not successful overall.

I know where the supporters are coming from with this and I sympathize, but rampant obesity is not something that needs to be encouraged :/

 

Actually, some physical traits of autism include wider/largers eyes (due to dilated pupils) and facial contour (due to low facial muscle tone).

Okay, so it's not one of the best examples. Down Syndrome would have been a better example.

 

Thank you, that was a lovely rebuttal. Ultimately I think my point was missed, though. While it's true that here in the US a variety of body types are appreciable, in Asian cultures this is much less true. That's why these Asian dolls (we even called them ABJDs in many instances to reflect their Asian nature and origin) may not appeal to Americans who look for a greater variety in their aesthetics.

BJD sculpts may have become much more diversified, but in almost all instances the body types still reflect acceptable Asian body types, even though the faces may seem Caucasian. But has this not always been the case in anime, as well? It's well documented that manga and anime creators of the 60s and 70s used female characters with a distinctly Caucasion appearance (large eyes in a variety of colors, blonde/red hair, etc.) to avoid controversy over their forward-spoken or empowered female characters clashing with the traditional Japanese ideal of females being demure and subservient. This tradition of making Caucasian-looking characters has not diminished. It would be only right for BJDs to reflect this.

This does not mean, however, that Asians will begin to covet fatness in the same way they covet blonde hair. This is why I strongly believe, and herein lies the entire thesis to my argument, that creating fat BJDs will become the responsibility of American manufacturers.


@ eternal satellites: Thank you for your post, and in all honesty I found it hugely inspiring. I applaud the effort you're making towards better health, and you would make a fabulous role model for all America.

 

Wow so much over such a simple question. She didnt ask why there were no larger dolls so i dont get why everyones breaking down and analyzing this question so much. In the end it comes down to the company and sculptor as to what dolls are made and at what size/skintone/etc.

There are chubby dolls ive seen, i have no links but they do exist, just not within bigger companies.

 

I appreciate your clarification of your point. I do, however, think that over the years the sculpts of the dolls have changed to a more "western" beauty ideal because there is a rather large"western" market that the companies have been tapping into. The breast of many companies (which is by no means natural in any woman), the more masculine build of some companies, and various other sculpt options have changed drastically since I started this hobby. When I began in 2004, the sculpts were very "Asian" in aesthetic. However, I do think that has changed due to the huge growth the hobby has experienced in the companies overseas markets. This is primarily why I feel that the more pressure felt from the "western" market the more likely that ABJD companies might change the sculpt to meet the demand.

However, I do feel they can change the sculpt and meet the market demand without compromising the overall Asian aesthetic that is used to define these dolls. They would have to in order to maintain their uniqueness in the market and still meet a popular demand.

But, this is just all my opinion and I honestly think your scenario or mine are just as likely to occur (or continue to occur) as the other. It really all depends on how western and Asian aesthetics (and overall cultures) change over the years and what is popular in their own culture as well as the ones they market too. ^_^

 

..wow, drama 8D;

i'd love to see a doll that was a "size 12 or 14", instead of a "size 2 or 4". maybe someday i will mod a doll to be just that.

 

I'm rather confused with how 12/14 has become "fat" all of a sudden. In the 90's, before heroin "chic", even supermodels, like cindy crawford, actually had hips and breasts.

 

I think it's the titlye choice that sparks the obesity debate. I think perhaps "full-figured" or "plus sized" might have been a better word choice.

The "it's up to america to create this doll" is interesting to me as well. Who knows what may happen? This hobby is international after all. It may be an Italian or a Greek sculptor that creates a BJD like this, where the aesthetic of a fuller, softer woman was made into a classical ideal.

As a size 14 myself (though my recent dedication to the gym has me teetering on the edge of being a 12), i'd like to say that I don't consider myself fat. In fact, I don't think that even with strict excersize and diet, I will ever be much smaller than a 10. I have the bone structure of an ox, so I will never be "dainty" or "petit".

 

I think you may be absolutely right, but I'm still going to stand by my opinion. I'm very interested to see how trends change in the upcoming years of increasing BJD popularity, though. We'll see what happens... and if Volks comes out with a fat body, I'll buy you a drink. :P

@ SkadiGoddess: Clothing size as an indicator of unhealthy weight can only be considered when you factor in height and build. A woman who is 5'9" wearing a size 12 dress is most likely in a healthy weight range, whereas a woman who is 5'3" wearing a size 12 is probably overweight and at risk for many health problems, including high blood pressure, heart disease, and diabetes, to name just a few. This is fat.

 

That kind of bugs me. There are plenty of women out there with a slim shape and very large breasts naturally. I'm a 34DDD myself, and there are definately women slimmer than me with much bigger natural breasts. Just because it's not super common doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Also, does anyone know if the big-breasted DM models (released for the lingerie LEs) will be released as a nonlimited option? I want them!

 

That is not what I am talking about at all. In fact, I was talking about the sculpt of breast and the overall shape, not the size compared to waist ratio. I would prefer to not talk about my personal body here, but if you saw me in person you might understand that I could never make such an assumption since my own body fits that category. I hope I have cleared my point up for you ^_^