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A fat dollfie.

Dec 30, 2005

    1. Fawn is stunning. I love the Aoi Tukis.

      And everyone on here brave enough to mod their own dolls - more power to you! I think the abs are the only thing that weird me out about my Domuya boy, Jade, too. In my head he's an average-sized boy with no real muscle tone.

      I agree, I want more tummy to my doll ladies!
       
    2. This XD I feel the same way, need a man with a little chunk to keep you warm and to cuddle with. Have you ever tried to cuddle with a boney skinny person? It's not comfortable XD I'm stealing that phrase btw.

      Anywho, I love dolls that are curvy and it's been the major deciding factor in picking the dolls I have. I love the Dollfie Dream Dynamite girls because they have some serious junk in their trunks :3 I would like to see more curvy dolls though and even dolls with a little more belly fat. I'm probably in the minority but I think thin/skinny is actually kind of UNattractive so it would be refreshing to see something different :)
       
    3. i wanted to get the obitsu 45cm body because it looks pear-shaped, like a partly-idealized version of my own figure, i guess. but i heard the 50cm body was amazing so i got one of those. now, instead of a heavy doll, i have an extremely tall doll. and tall women are also part of the natural diversity, so i guess that's still part of what i was going for. compared to the slim-minis, my BBB tiah (with the mature BBB body) is pretty stocky, but she's not really heavy-shaped if you look at her compared with a live human woman.

      not sure if it's been mentioned recently, but Domadoll has a lot of interesting variety of figures in her dolls! as well as interesting variety of faces. i have a human kkotmu but will probably get another of hers one day.
       
    4. It would be nice to once in a while see a girl doll built in the more "Normal" human proportions because lets face it, not many of us have the same balance as out beautiful young ladies. And on the talk of male dolls, I would like one thats more meaty, I think thats why I am in love with the Iplehouse superhero body, its big and eye appealing.
       
    5. I think chubby dolls would be cute ^^. I agree with several other users that there needs to stockier guys, too. I don't really care for waifs or Supermen. Something in between would be nice.
       
    6. also, technically ... i'm not really sure that balance is as much of an issue as many people are saying. i'm pretty sure that when i am heavier i don't have any more balance problems than when i am thinner.

      the worst balance difficulties that i have seen in dolls were because of disproportionate heads, because that brings the center of balance higher and makes it difficult to get it even. fatter bodies (especially if symmetrical side-to-side and equally increased on back and front, such as butt and belly) would bring the center of balance lower, which lends to better balance.
      now, granted, i haven't taken a physics class in like 20 years, so i am working on memory, doll-play, and gut-instinct ... and i could be wrong; any doll sculptors in the thread please feel free to correct me.
       
    7. Man. Chubbier guys are awesome.I can tackle hug them without fear of snapping something. Because I myself am i no way a small girl. xD I'm tall and got the weight to go with it!

      I personally would love to see dolls with more heft. I mean Akando is hot and all, but he's got a supermodel body. A cuddlier formed guy would be amazing.
       
    8. To be honest, I don't get the whole 'balance' arguement either. My boy stands just as well as he did before his belly was made bigger, and he even has hooves now instead of regular feet and he still holds up perfectly fine. True, he wasn't made to be particularly obese or anything, but I imagine if there was a doll made that really was that much bigger in the waist, its legs and arms would be made that much bigger as well to be proportionate, and would therefore solve any problems of the doll toppling.
       
    9. I would positively DIE if I saw a BJD that looked like my boyfriend <33333 He's chunky but almost solid muscle =D
      They need to make more BJD's like Luo (the Strongman from Iplehouse)<33333

      Also, I'd LOVE to see a overweight fairy, kinda like one that's been sitting around eating Bon-Bons too long XD the cuteness!
       
    10. lol You made me think of the fairies in Overlord 2 with that last comment. Big round butterballs with little wings. They float almost like balloons instead of by their wings! Mm, but a chunky muscle guy I'd love to see more of!
       
    11. Those are ADORABLE!! Is there anywhere one could find such a fat fairy to take on home?

      And in general: I'd love to see pudgier women in general. I love the slimmer ones just the same, but I'd be outright delighted for a medium to large BJD :D
       
    12. That doll is made (and sold) by tinybear who is a member here. Just search for her name and you can find her contact information and her website etc.
       
    13. Aye, I'd just read that they were made by her in one of the photos :doh I'm not marketplace a-okay'ed for a while now, but it's very cool to know, thanks much! :D
       
    14. Hmm... All the thin dolls are not representative of real human figures, no. But I would avoid buying a fat doll simply because it'd be hard to find clothes for them.

      Clothing sizing is difficult. Even humans, who usually buy their clothes off a rack where they can choose among sizes to fit them more precisely, have trouble getting things to fit-- and there aren't that many good plus size stores with trendy clothes, right? Problems exist on either side of the scale, from there not being enough choices for plus size women, to my being unable to find adult women's shoes and socks that fit my size-3 feet. (My wedding shoes are flower girls' shoes.) And no, my small feet are not a remote fraction of the problem for me that fat women have to deal with socially, but I am talking about the simple problems of sizing here, not social stigma.

      With doll clothes, you rarely ever get to pick what size you want them in. You hope that the clothes you like will fit your doll. Even if you're having them custom-made, it can be difficult since most people deal over the internet and you need to hope the person you want to commission can size them to your doll without having the doll physically present. And... when you deal in small scales, what would be an acceptable amount in 1/1 of "a tiny bit too big" is suddenly magnified. Suddenly, a centimeter makes a bigger difference. And what's worse, if something is too big, the fabric will hang and rumple in 1/1 scale wrinkles on your 1/3 scale doll, and that just looks ridiculous. Thus doll clothes have to fit precisely, and guesstimating too much means that clothing can easily end up looking out of scale and weird. So you have all of this to consider, when what you really want is to buy the clothing for your doll that you saw somewhere... The thing that saves us most, the thing that makes doll fashion really viable for people who can't sew for their own dolls, is the standardisation, the fact that most bodies all conform to similar ideals. There's a huge difference in doll bodies already, and that creates enough difficulty for clothing fit; if there were commonly even more difference among them, it would be even harder.

      I personally wouldn't want to sacrifice the amazing variety of clothing that more or less almost fits my dolls for a more realistic variety of human bodies. It's not realistic that they're all thin, but... it doesn't have to be realistic. It has to be fun. As an art form, dolls aren't really trying to emulate human experience so much as they're trying to provide a fun exchange of fashion and customisable characters... Templates that we can project anything we like onto. And templates need to have a high degree of interchangeability and standardisation, so that there can be more variety in mix-and-match swapping around. In the case of most dolls being thin, we have more variety of fashion (to which I would choose to sacrifice "variety of body type", since fashion is more interesting to me).

      In a way, it's a shame that all BJDs aren't fat, fat being the standard, with thin ones being rare. Then we could probably fit clothing made for American Girls on them. Moreover, it would fight today's present media pressures. But... as has been already pointed out, clothing drapes better and shows itself off better on thin people, so if you have to go for one standard or another, and fashion is your priority, thin is a better standard to go with. It... really sucks that it adds to the huge amount of media pressure on people to be thin. That's not good, buuut... I guess I just go with "BJDs are all thin, unlike people", much like "American Girls are all chubby, unlike actual ten-year-olds". Because of what the hobby is at its core, it helps that there is some standard or other, and thin just happens to be what it is. (No, it did not arise that way by chance, and yes, there is sizeism factoring into it. But it remains unlikely to change because even if everyone wanted to fight sizeism with their dolls, standardisation is so useful that I doubt it would really go away.)

      So in a nutshell, even if social pressure and idealisation didn't lean us towards doll bodies all being the same, standardisation is actually nice IMHO. I'd like to see more variety in art/videogame/anime characters having a variety of bodies, because you can easily just draw the clothes on fitting whatever body size the character has. But when it comes to a physical body that has to be fit with physical clothing, fitting would be so much of a nightmare that way. So, much as we are all used to unrealistic-looking joints on dolls, I'm willing to just settle and get used to unrealistic standardisation of sizes. For that reason, I admit the (possibly unpopular) opinion that I wish all the bodies from all the popular companies really did come in identical standard sizes. More than they already do.

      It is cool to see that artists are making their own bodies on chubbier dolls, and that some people do buy and enjoy making clothes for nonstandard sizes and modding their dolls and so on. The results look amazing, and as art, that's really cool. As a consumer who doesn't make all my own doll clothes, though, I am glad it's not like that. Not that I want to reinforce the entrenched sizeism in society, or the way people subconsciously expect bodies to conform to whatever's presently in style. But dolls are not the greatest point on which to fight that, IMHO, because it would put a damper on the mix 'n' match fashion swapping that's such a draw about the hobby for me in the first place. And while on one hand, fighting sizeism (which ruins some people's lives and deals out a huge portion of misery to others) seems like it should be more important than whether I can enjoy luxury fashions for my dolls, on the other hand it also seems puritanically draconian to decide that we must make the doll hobby realistic at the expense of what many of us enjoy about it, in order to keep from being sizeist in this niche hobby that is just a drop in the ocean compared to the mass media at large.
       
    15. if you google her you can also find her website and etsy.

      ...

      about the clothing issue: true; i know that in my 1:6 fashion dolls collection i have at least 5 (probably more) different body types and they cannot all fit the same clothes, so yeah... it's "complicated enough" already

      i think what some of us want is not to force any kind of fat-doll-acceptance on others, but just to be able to find and buy fat dolls if we want our collection to be realistic about human diversity in that way. and since i think that i (personally) have more chance of becoming a competent sew-er than a competent sculptor, well, i'd rather be able to buy the doll and make the clothes. one day i'll get a chubby domadoll girl. and who knows what other nice possibilities will turn up later. in the meantime, i will settle for a diversity of skintones and heights.
       
    16. Hm. I'm not suggesting that people are trying to force any kind of doll on others (obviously, people will just buy what they want anyway). Rather, I'm suggesting that, although this may be an unpopular opinion, I rather wish there would be one standard size and people couldn't really get other options. If we all had to buy the same size, we'd all be able to mix-and-match clothes. But if people get the ability to buy whatever kind of interesting options they want, suddenly we're not all working with the same size anymore. It's already the case, and I wish it were less so rather than more so.

      Your comment about how you'd be better at sewing than sculpting still stands. As I said, my opinion is likely to be unpopular. But it's what I wish it were like.

      ETA: I guess what I am saying is that I'm not accusing anyone of forcing doll types on others; I'm doing the opposite-- I'm suggesting that I wish I could force standardisation on others. Obviously I can't, and even if I could I shouldn't; it's just... well, that would be my ideal world.
       
    17. of course they are all skinny! XD they never eat!

      all their pretend food is zero calories o.o
      what I wouldn't give to live in the doll world eh? and you get to be taken care of all the time too...

      But chubby dolls would be cute I think especially kids : D
       
    18. oh! i get it now. yikes, that's even more unlikely cos doll companies would probably be accused of plagiarism if all had the same measurements. (sort of joking there; on the other hand, you never know.)

      well, we can all wish something!