Angell-Studio's Gabriel & Lucifer Discussion

Agreed with all, that screamed Angel Sanctuary XDD.

I would be a little "ehh..." if they're selling the outfits, but it seems only to be for promotion of the dolls, so that shouldn't be a problem right? And they're so very pretty like that...

 

Oh wow, Angel Sanctuary dolls. o_o *blinkblink* This is kinda surprising. Especially that they are in fact selling the outfits eventually.

 

Lucifer made my heart go pitter-pat for a moment.
It must have been the gothy-looking makeup.

He's not a limited is he? Becuase I'd like to save up my pennies to bring that boy home.

 

Ooo great! I love their outfits!

I wonder if Gabriel's dress will fit on a boy's body though... >_>

 

It's not "impossible" at all. I don't know if copyright infringement is a "crime" in Japan (as opposed to a civil matter), but dolls and clothes based on someone else's work are "derivative works," and only the copyright holder has the right to authorize derivative works. MAYBE Kaori Yuki authorized them (I don't know or claim to know). But, if she did not authorize them, they are unauthorized derivative works and their sale could be enjoined and damages awarded.

(again, I don't explicitly study Japanese law, BUT a quick internet search tells me that it includes the right of "adaptation," including derivative works).

 

I really love how they look, but I do worry very much about that Kaori Yuki design issue..

Lucifer is quite beautiful and it rather works because he was my favorite in the manga, but what will be done about this?

 

Can anyone help me? I'm seriously lost on the conversion rate. On my computer, Lucifer is coming up as $2200, which I know can't be right.

 

Go to the doll and then change the currency in the top right corner =) I know it confused me aswell D: Otherwise in dollars he comes up as $299

 

Oooh, that is a lovely price! Thank you for the help!

 

So ... should we get some sort of group order going?

 

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I. Am in love. Gabriel is just... Woooow. I'm going to have to come back to her in a few weeks, but right now, she's screaming to come home with me. Woooow.

 

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! I can't believe I found a doll that's equal to my most favorite ever. I really really really hope the outfit thing won't be too much of an issue because if the company gets shut down or they have to stop selling Gabriel before I get enough money for her I'd seriously die....

Mmmmm I like them so much!!

 

Has anyone ordered through angel-Studios? I love Gabriel but I am a little iffy about ordering her right now.

 

whats the Fragrant option for body you can have? is it smell for the body or what?

 

This company is amazing!!!! Their dolls are scented, they have fabulous doll sculpts and their outfits are fantastic...

theyre pretty charming...

 

There aren't many girl doll sculpts that I like... but Gabriel's really cute. And she'd be great for Keirian's Katherine.

(Just what I needed. Another doll to want... I haven't even gotten my Soah yet. )

 

Yup yup, you can choose the smell for the doll body... A little like Narae's but this sort of like, replace the resin smell? XD

 

Regarding the matter of copyright infringement...I'm kind of not sure how that would go considering the conventions of japanese fandom. People make and sell doujins, cosplay, figures and other fanworks without a problem - certainly these are "derivative" but authors/creators seem flattered by, or at least tolerant of, doujin of their work. Many manga artists start off drawing and selling doujin of others' stories/designs.

On the other hand, doujin are usually sold for minimal profit (often only covering cost of production), whereas these outfits are more directly made for profit as opposed to tribute...nor is any credit given to Kaori Yuki...

To me, this is a gray zone. No credit is given, but the outfits are not exact. Furthermore, although the resemblance to Kaori Yuki's illustrations is striking, it must be admitted that the angel-with-one-cyborg-wing and the gothic-headress, etc, are fairly common manga elements. I know for sure I've seen similiar leather outfit + robotic wing (no facemask though) in many shoujo/shounen-ai manga. There are enough differences from the original illustration that, if it weren't for the names, I would've concluded that it's just another mix of the usual shoujo/goth cliches.

 

I was inclined to think there is a good argument that the clothing is generic for cyberpunk fallen angel or what have you, EXCEPT that they are linked to the names of actual Angel Sanctuary characters. That tells people that they are intended to resemble Lucifer and Jibriel, so that effectively destroys any genericity defense in my opinion.

As for the opinions of Japanese copyright holders on fanworks--yes, they tend to tolerate it, but that doesn't make it legal (technically...I don't know if Japan has anything like some of our infringement defenses) Also, like you said, even if Kaori Yuki is totally okay with fanart, this is being sold for profit without any credit whatsoever. I would like to know if Kaori Yuki authorized this before making a final decision, but I think her name would be linked to it if she had. That leads me to assume that this is unauthorized, which is sad, because Jibriel is one of my favorite character designs in manga I don't want to contribute to violating Yuki-sensei's copyright, though.