ATStudio Dolls

@cabanaeclipse Going back through the FB page, it does in fact appear to be ATStudio's facebook page, or at least a page dedicated to them. You can go back and see posts about the controversy over the head.

 

They are the same but two people work together. Cap.Hook is the sculptor and mweoh makes the wigs and stuff I believe. I think the names ATStudio and ATSdoll are interchangeable. At least that's what I heard. Orion is beautiful. I'm glad you have him. I ordered Cetus through mweoh just recently but I did have interactions with Cap.Hook about Cetus a few months ago.

 

Thank you. I'm glad I wasn't hallucinating.

Cetus is absolutely gorgeous! I hope you will post pictures when you get him.

 

You're welcome. I think Win_soul does the face-ups. And yes he is! I fell in love with him at first sight. He's my grail doll. I will definitely post pictures once he arrives.

 

Anyone know an easier way to contact them? They don't really respond much on ig at all and never on facebook. I've emailed them too but nothing.

 

I know how to contact them but need download the"Weibo" app, then search "哈克Cap Hook", you could find him.

 

The start was kinda because SOOM themselves failed to identify their dolls when Chinese owners put the pictures together. That was kinda funny. Then people found out that the 'designer' of ATStudio brought dozens of SOOM dolls before, and sold them on his account. Kinda fishy because he sold and brought quite a lot of them. He also made mistakes like he couldn't name the type of the clay that he claimed to make his doll with, and one of the bodies he 'made' was a 3D model that can be found online....lol
These incidents along with others, it's not hard to understand why people are boycotting him lol

 

Damn... The dolls are really cool but those claims are sus

 

Rehashed drama. It was mentioned earlier on the thread. Everyone will make their own decisions.

I did get a Cetus human head in . Still waiting on the full arctic doll though!

 

Sounds weird but a lot of doll owners impulsively splurge then sell. I do it all of the time. Do you have a link to the 3D model that can be found online as well as the post about the clay?

 

He's beautiful. I'm still waiting on my full doll.

 

I tried to make weibo but I don't think it's works for my country. (US) I tried the website and the app. It keeps saying that I sent too many code requests when I only sent one.

 

OMG, I think I could send a Weibo message to remind him to check the email? If you don't mind I would do that. Hope he could reply soon

 

@Seki Unless things have changed Weibo should work even if you're in the US. I'm in the US and have had a Weibo account for a few years.

 

Here's a post with comparisons between the 3D model and ATStudio's body. The feet are identical and particularly damning.
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Unfortunately, I have not seen the post about clay and cannot find it.

On top of the Soom buying and reselling, Hook also bought and sold an Illusion Garden Unicorn Yuli before releasing Cetus. It's believed that Cetus' horn is copied from Illusion Garden.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that looks like one of those free models you can get online? I feel like I've seen it before. Even if AT Studio used the model to work off of that's generally their intended purpose so I don't see the problem with them using it, if indeed they did.

And in regards to the Yuli unicorn horn, those horns are not the same. Here's a picture of Cetus' horn from AT's Facebook page Log into Facebook
Long horn with soft convex shapes.

Now here's the Yuli horn, Login • Instagram. Shorter horn with hard edges and concave shapes.

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with working off a free model, but I do find issue with them passing it off as their own original work.

For the horn, it's suspected that they did the same as what they did with the heads: 3D scanned and then modified it. So just as their heads are not identical to Soom's, the horn is not identical to Illusion Garden's.

 

For the sake of argument lets just say that AT did indeed use that model as a base. Going off of those pictures they still did quite a bit of modification work. I would personally consider that "original" in so much as it's a new work, even if it was derived from a pre-existing work. Like someone couldn't turn around and say it's OK for them to us AT's work without their permission because it's still AT's work even if they used a base model.

That argument for the horns just sounds like people grasping at straws to me. So, I'm to believe that AT 3D scanned the horn into some rendering software, just to then completely change the look and the shapes on the horn. Sure anything is possible, but that seems like way more work then just modifying a pre-existing cone shape that a lot of 3D software give you for free if you're going to go that route anyway.

 

Here are some links that you can check out. Most of them are pictures so don't worry too much about the language

Comparison blogs:
Sina Visitor System
Sina Visitor System
Sina Visitor System
Sina Visitor System

Sina Visitor System (He made his doll in clay first then posted his design sketches for his doll)

https://weibo.com/7303299294/KcOTe0pfJ(his 3D model has a weird "bump" on the head, which is not normal in any doll's model or production. Coincidentally, that "bump" is at the same location where IDealian's logo is. Comparison with his body and a model that was found online, basically saying he didn't build the body, he downloaded it online(not sure if he paid for the model or not))

https://weibo.com/7303299294/KcGC3ulBG(more comparison about the body)

He brought and sold dozen SOOM dolls:
https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4629822472455542
https://weibo.com/7303299294/KcvOLaiNw

https://weibo.com/7303299294/Kd7nBgOPF(He claimed that he used super light clay, but it should be hardening clay(Ladoll or something similar) as shown in the picture that he posted. However, this blog is in Chinese, and the discussions & picture are in the comments)

There are some more blogs about this but you can look at these first.
A lot of people are boycotting him including some face-up artists. As you can see quite a lot of people are discussing this in the comments. I hope more people can see the whole story so they can have a better understanding of this problem.

 

Thank you for the links.

I looked through everything and none of this really proves anything? It’s just a bunch of photos of dolls that I can see have vast differences with tiny similarities here and there. They all look different and none of the photos align perfectly. It’s very easy for your dolls to look similar to a doll company that you admire and took inspiration from. That’s what I think is happening here. I don’t think he recasted or copied them but what I think is he took inspiration.

I don’t know why he purchased and sold a bunch of dolls. A lot of doll collectors do that. Maybe it could’ve helped him with his inspiration by seeing the dolls in person. That doesn’t mean he blatantly copied them or traced over them or whatever. We don’t know what he did behind his closed doors and just because the dolls have some similarities, I don’t think it’s fair to defame his brand unless there’s solid proof or some kind of confession that he made.

I’m not sure what the clay is supposed to mean. I don’t think that really matters to be honest. How does him using whichever clay he claims a problem? He used what he used.

I don’t know what a “normal” doll production is but bumps and hiccups can show up anywhere. Nothing is perfect. It just seems like people are looking far and wide and really reaching for defamation crumbs because of course they take the side of a larger and most loved company over a small artist.

As far as I can see, if they’re not carbon copies, clones, recasts and they look completely different of a sculpt altogether then it’s original. I can clearly see that his sculpts are not SOOM sculpts, so.

People can boycott all they want, that’s up to them. People can be sheep-like, so it’s not surprising. I’d rather not be a sheep in the herd but rather have my own thoughts and opinions like I do with everything else.

So unless someone comes up with some actual solid proof and not some pictures that are seriously reaching or he confesses then I believe he just took inspiration and did his own thing. Same with the body 3D model. Although if he did use it and it’s free for all type of thing, there’s no problem. Especially if he made extremely heavy changes.

I do appreciate you taking your time out to gather up all of the links and information.