Cracking on other people's dolls where do you stand?

As an actual victim of bullying, both mental and physical, for most of my life until now, the comparison of bullying and snarking baffles me. I'm sure I'm not the only one, either.

Snarking is NOT bullying. It is not stalking, harassing, or beating up on someone and abusing them physically or mentally to the point of breaking. Snarking is about saying your piece on an artwork/doll/whatever and then moving on with your life.

I reiterate, no one in The Other Place is making fun of someone personally. Or, if they do, it is quickly smacked down/ignored from what I've seen. One person may have said something about you, but one person does not an entire community make. And plenty of people here have admitted to being in those communities - how is that NOT taking responsibility?

And you still ignored my main question. Why does it matter? There is no one personally coming to you and smacking you in the face, telling you you can't have doll x. There is just a little group of people on the other side of the internet saying they don't like your doll x for ten or so posts.

 

Actually your quite wrong. I went to the forum, when I found them using my band width up, to make fun of dolls I own and/or my best friend has customized. So yeah, don't make assumptions about me, expecially in regards to such a serious topic.

 

You have an interesting relationship with the truth, vampireanneke. However, I assure you, no assumptions are necessary. Would you like screencaps?

 

I must have read that entire thread wrong on The Other Forum today, as well as her signature at the bottom of every post she made in it.

 

I don't really care for forums like the one being discussed, so I avoid them. I honestly had no idea there was a forum for ditching on other people's dolls, and I'm content not knowing where it is. That it exists isn't really a bad thing, it's just not my thing.

 

Edited for content.

 

The suppossed underaged characters in sexual situations are linked on the site in your signature, which I found with very little effort, never having seen it before. You might think this is okay, but you must be able to understand why this may have upset and even offended some people. I haven't seen this thread on 'the other forum', but I can understand why one might have been created when there are subjects such as this being portrayed. Just like there are thread or whole sites devoted to taboos of any nature.

I can tell you that hot linking is not acceptable on 'the forum that will not be mentioned'. If anyone had noticed, the owner would have been asked to self host the images in question and definately called out on it. However if you are just refering to viewing your site, I don't see a problem. Surely it's there because you want people to see, right? I personally quite like it if my art or photography is looked at, and any feedback feels like good feedback. Hell, someone telling me I draw hair like silly putty helped me improve the way I drew it dramatically!

If you choose to share personal information, pictures etc. on the internet, you are subject to it being seen and interpreted by different people in different ways. Not everything you depict will be fully accepted and liked by everyone, and if you are expecting this, you need to consider whether or not you should be sharing at all. The internet has the advantage of some anonymity, meaning people can be more comfortable to share their opinions honestly whether they be favourable or not. If you (not meaning you especially, vampireanneke, I mean this generally) cannot take this, you either need to not go looking for snark there may be about you and just ignore it, or if you can't help yourself, don't share, or make viewing private to those you believe will be 'kittens and rainbows' about it. Such as on a friend-locked live journal.

To my knowledge, nothing I've posted has ended up on there, but if there was something, I think I'd be eagar for the critique.

 

First, a moderation post.

It seems as though this thread is becoming rather heated between one member and a small group over a personal issue - please take this to PM if it needs to be done. We don't want screencaps or a blow-by-blow on DoA, as bringing snark from other forums to DoA is off-limits.

 

Can we get the artists' forum back? Please?

I am un-snarked therefore I am unloved. *sniffle*

 

Sure, except the links are still sitting there in your post.

 

And if you bothered to read my threads, the characters are 18 years old or older in my threads, and SD mature looking doll (vs MSD child like dolls). And seriouslly your going to make a judgement on character age of dolls which are inadament objects, and which people can and do claim are whatever age they so wish. Please remove your post because it's untrue liable against me. If it's not clear my characters are based in YEAR 8 (or after the characters are 18 or older) It's even in their PROFILES that I've made for them.

 

Moderation again - this thread isn't about any one person or their dolls and should not be! If this is going to become personal, this thread is going to need to be locked.

 

OKAY...>U>;;... WELL...Now that the drama llama has been settled, shall the debate return to the topic at hand?

Personally, I am not one who "snarks" in any recordable measure of physical manifestation. Yes, sometimes I see things that make me go O_o;;;;?? but it's all just a brief mental process which lasts < 1 minute. Simply, I have better things to do than troll around in a forum or spend my minutes being frustrated with someone else's belongings, but if that's your thing, go ahead and do it. 8\ I wish people would realize that while their actions shouldn't yield drastic consequences, there are still consequences. I wont go back through the thread to quote people, but those who say they have little remorse...sure, you could try and be all badass and be like f-other peoples feelings! If they go looking for CRITIQUE, that is what they should get. I don't think anyone actively seeks CRASS as a response to their works.

Really though, I'd like to remind the general populace that you have absolutely NO IDEA what ANY person has EVER dealt with in the span of their lives. Therefore, imho, it is not ok to assume that they're just being whiny or whatever the assigned term is. Maybe they are, but if the popular response to that is "grow up", then I would argue that the responder would have some "growing up" to do as well.

In all honesty, I don't really see one side that is 'at fault' here. There's so much finger pointing in this thread that my head was spinning by page 5.

It would be ideal if people could realize that 2 words of kindness does not an excellent work make. Yes, the internet is a free place to post pictures, etc... Yes, people should realize that once they make something public it is subject to the public's opinion. I just don't seem to be able to find rudeness as a factor in that picture anywhere. Honesty, sincerity, tact, and sensitivity are [imho] the "grown up" things to display, since lots of people are so caught up on the term's use. There should be no need to hold hands or deliberately provoke; but for the argument that the occasion of absolute crass reply helping someone? I don't buy that at all. Why is it that people don't seem to realize a happy medium can exist? A conversation can be stimulating without involving overly hurt or overly optimistic feelings.

 

The reason I would not post mean things about a person or a person's doll on a snark community is because I have no idea who might end up reading it.
I have no idea who it might be behind the doll with the bad face up. There might be a person with a mental disorder, someone sensitive or someone who is just really young still. Knowing that I could hurt someone's feelings just for some cheap lols just isn't worth it.
As I have said before that is how I was brought up.
I was taught that being an adult means you should care about others, be as kind as possible and protect those who are sensitive or weak.
That is just me though.

Laelen Very well written! You win the internet today I think.

 

i agree totally.


Laelen - thank you for your post!

 

I don't remark on the other person's dolls and they better not on mine.

However, I reserve the right to remark how tasteless the doll OWNER is. LOL

 

Well on DoA its not tolerated* and I have seen people on here very politely mention they dont particularly favour a particular style face-up doll etc... I've never seen an "OMG its FOUL" sort of post..... On THAT other forum its fun and its expected so I say only for over there if you cant cop it dont dish it

I personally will have a private giggle and eye roll and occasionally an *eyepop* eeeewwwww moment but its a personal moment and I dont share them

Edit to clarify *constructive criticism shouldnt be seen as snarkiness - I've noticed some have in the past asked for help and then been offended by the suggestions - this isnt snarkiness if input is asked for - if its an outright mean post intended to be hurtful that isn't tolerate either by the mods or the general community who just want to have fun.....

I also think it helps if you take yourself a little less seriously