DM Model Doll Film Noir Lawrence -Incredibly Offensive Pictures

I don't have much sympathy for those who saw the bullet hole and didn't click back when they don't like that sort of thing. But I think the main problem is the women. Which it gives you no preview or notice for. I think the preview should give you a better idea...

 

well all things saying, it haven't been blow out of the water yet, at first i was slightly surprised to see my beloved owen is pale skin, then notice the bullet in his head and it was like...oh, he's dead, then i look at the pictures, and to me, it just another story unfolding...another more, another less, of course i wouldn't children see that, not like they know any better, but that saying, DM as other have mention, meant the doll to for mature aim. So I really don't see why a lot are making a big deal out of it, it like if someone painted something and put it up in display, would other gasps and point at it for being 'not fit?' anywho going off topic, and once again, DM doesn't need to change their pictures, just add a 'warning' on the tittle page to let other know what they are getting into.

and to view the page or not, would be their own choice. the end.

 

Nope- I love him. It might not be the most subtle face-up out there, but I am very much looking forward to getting this guy in the post.

 

Lol, well, it'd be hard to explain without me writing an essay... but the dolly nudity in the photos seem to be provoking a lot of "OMG, implied rape" reactions, which would seem extremely one-dimensional to a serial killer who murdered for thrill, power or control, for example. Nudity does not always equal that something sexual took place...
I'm probably not making any sense whatsoever now!

 

But it IS a case of reading too much into it. The overall tone of the photos is 'psycho murderer and dead women'. If one is going to equate that to reality, then the 'psycho murderer' himself should be dead, as there is a gaping bulletwound in his head, and the 'dead women' should have wounds and actually look dead, instead of just look like naked, faceupped dolls. If the 'dead' dolls had been blushed or painted to indicate that they're supposed to be corpses, then I would be disgusted. But as it stands, without blushing they killed any reality that the shoot could hold for me.

I agree that there should be some kind of NSFW warning, and I'll concede that the shoot itself is tasteless in what it portrays. But I still don't think that the amount of outrage that this fiasco has caused was warranted.

I honestly can't even begin to comprehend why anyone would be as outraged at a photoshoot implying murder, with supposedly murdered dolls, as they would be at the same photo containing real humans.

 

There is no question that the ISSUE here is the photos and the ad campaign. The doll IS gorey, however, he's no more gorey than gore that is allowed on the board with the appropriate warning given. As a matter of fact, I would not be at all surprised to find out that DoA is a bit of a litmus test for the more radical ideas we see some companies embracing with their newer releases. There are more than a handful of dolls on this forum who have their lips sewn shut. And honestly, with those members who are drawn to this sort of extreme resin interpretation of horror already doing their own mods and customizations or having access to top shelf customizers who can follow a description and produce an amazingly horrific mod, who is going to be interested in purchasing this doll?

As to this forum not protecting our younger members, that's a somewhat offensive stand. Den of Angels is a 13+ forum and we believe that with the combined efforts of the moderation team and quick-eyed members, offensive threads are found and removed quickly. If a member is stumbling across offensive photos and backstories on this forum, please use the report feature rather than deciding that the mods are half-arsed in the attempt to keep the forum age appropriate.

It IS the backstory with this doll, it IS the images that are causing an uproar. In that case, I could easily see the mod team deciding that the doll is okay with a warning but that the link needs to be removed from the board. There seems to be so much vociferous opinionizing in this thread and yet the culprit is not this forum, its policies, its members - the issue is with Dollmore.

 

I adore the trope of the Final Girl myself, but I sometimes find it a little annoying that what gets the Final Girl going is a child in danger (Ripley, I'm looking at you) as though a woman can't be badass unless she's Momma Bear.

Well, I only came to the US three years and change ago, but I grew up in Asia sometimes seeing US slasher flicks, and it always seemed kind of puritan to me, the moral of a lot of those films being "go to a cabin in the woods and have a shag, and this guy is gonna chop you in half with a chainsaw". Which is actually one of the sexist undertones I was talking about.

I think it's the tilitation factor, yes, because a lot of slasher flick fans are young males. Compare and contrast to how astoundingly pretty the men are in Japanese kids' sentai shows - because their target audience are kids and the housewives who are also at home. One tries to make one's product attractive to one's audience, it's an entirely rational decision that can sometimes lead to unpleasant (sexist, misogynist) implications because of the perceived habits of one's customers (like Math Is Hard Barbie).

Very much so, as most cultures involve males being socialized to not show their emotions.

Well... I guess the flatness of the reds and blacks doesn't really help the sculpt much. In a flat medium like a comic book the chiaroscuro effect of black, white and red can be very stark and visually stunning (Frank Miller's inkwork comes to mind). However, when employed in such a flat, matte fashion on a 3-dimensional object, the effect can strip the 3-dimensionality out of the contours. I'd personally have built up the bullethole in his head more, used translucent acrylic media, and dark browns rather than blacks.

I think I disike the starkness of his faceup because I have a more impressionistic style when it comes to faceups. eg: I don't like drawing individual eyebrow and eyelash hairs because I believe the eye blurs the individual details and it's the impression of movement and life I want, not macro-scaled accuracy.

Really, though, that's a matter of preference, and to each their own. Our hobby's large enough that we can do all sorts of things with our dolls, which brings me back to the point of whether the ad is appropriate or not.

It's not my call whether it is, but DoA is a 13+ forum and should maintain content appropriate to such. There are other 18+ forums where this would be age-appropriate, or even rather mild compared to other stuff people have posted up.

As DoA is a private forum, it's up to the administrator and moderators to decide whether this is appropriate or not, and if we dislike their decision we can exercise the right not to look at the thread, or even to not post to the forum if we want.

- Mel

 

those pics are disturbing and i am going to let dollmore know thats just wrong in every single way!!!

 

I found the photos distrubing. I didn't think of rape, I really don't think it was implied, but seeing bodies hanging like cattle corpses in a meat locker bothered me.

Saying that people are used to such images is unfortunately true. There are websites that carter to this sort of thing and when people look there, they know what to expect. I don't think those kind of images are expected on a doll website.

I think the doll itself is totally unnerving. Personally a doll with a bullet hole in his forehead and his lips sown shut is not something I would buy, but I defend the right of anyone who chooses to purchase him. The doll itself may also have been victimized. How did he come to be in the state he is? Unless he tortured and murdered himself, he too was a victim.

To say 'well, they're just dolls' I think is rather a cop out. Since it's illegal to maim and murder people, dolls can be used to portray these atrocities. By accepting the images of dolls in such situations, we futher imune ourselves to reality. It's like looking at a photo of a execution and saying 'it's just a poto'. Neither is 'real', but what they protray is.

I think Dollmore is attempting to carter to the wants of their customers, and they can't be blamed for that. Look at how many people mod their dolls to achieve the same effect, so the market is there. For doll owners who want such a character he's a 'gift', for owners who don't, he'll be overlooked.

On the Dollmore website you see a photo of his face. That gives you an idea as to what is in store. However, I think a warning would be appropriate.

To say that because the culture is different from our own, therefore the photos are acceptable for everyone, I don't believe to be true. The concept that's protrayed is basic to all cultures and I'm sure that there are Korean people who find the photos also shocking.

The bottom line to me is that Dollmore created a 'Halloween' doll and portrayed it in a manner that is suited to the concept. How we react to those images is a personal decision.

 

Given the rating of DoA, I think banning the link and allowing the doll is a very fair compromise.

I'm kind of surprised that people are trying to place blame on DoA for this- and yet, I am also not surprised at all, because there seems to be a overwhelming attitude on the internet that everyone else is responsible for what an indevidual sees- and that no blame can ever be placed on the indevidual themselves.

 

I just went to a Kiki Smith show on my university campus a couple weeks ago. (: Mostly her print work, but some of her sculpture is much more violent/graphic.

I'm actually interpreting the picture a different way now, seeing him as a dead man come back from the grave to avenge his killing after being framed for these murders, and stumbling into the real killer's abattoir.

Finding someone he recognizes there, he caresses her face and hefts his shotgun, seeking revenge.

Sometimes a picture is plain as day. Sometimes, the differing intepretations can be tricky.

You are, actually, but we'd probably be veering writing a paper on the dynamics of power depicted in slasher movies and how they compare and contrast to RL serial killers.

Which would actually be a really nifty psychology paper, but I'm an Art major, so I guess someone else will have to write it.

You stated my point in a much more succinct manner. Cookies to you, if you collect them. (:

- Mel

 

The more I look at him, the more I like him. I always liked the Dollmore Model dolls.

(And I was just looking up Legacy of Kain! It looks interesting!)

 

i agree - i see him more like a spirit of death who has come for the young woman.

 

Ok so i wanted to see what my younger brother thought of him....He's a big horror fan...and thought he was in his words "Holy crud....It's michal jakson!"

No that kinda threw me...He didnt think he was a serial killer...or a rapest....yet he thought he was MJ...so yeah he kinda thought he was a rapest...but not the one that rapes and murders women.

I personaly like him....he's be better with out the bullet in his brain...But that's just are openon...hope you like it!

 

I don't think anyone is blaming DoA for a marketing decision Dollmore is making. As a member, I'm asking our mods to decide whether this doll is on-topic or not, based on the forum rules as written.

Basically this thread is several pages of arguing whether or not Dollmore's pictures are offensive. No one person can answer that definitively for the group at large.

What CAN be done, is the mods can rule on the admission of this doll and the link to his Dollmore page, based on the rules of this forum. That's all some of us are calling for.

Dollmore is a private company. They can create whatever ad art they desire, regardless of the level of taste. While I personally don't care for these images, having looked at them once, I never need to again. I won't be opening that link either from DoA or from the Dollmore site.

I will say that I won't look forward to seeing Film Noir Lawrence in the galleries here or in the MarketPlace, and as many posters do not list the doll type or any warnings in their titles, the possibility of an ambush does exist.

Certainly it's every consumer's right to inform a company that their advertising affected him negatively.

In the end, this is all a tempest in a teacup. There will be ten of this doll. His likely appearance in this forum is fairly small. I simply view the matter as an opportunity for this forum's mods and membership to discuss what is and what is not acceptable viewing on DoA.

 

I agree.

I've been a Dollmore customer for a long time, and while I may not like this doll, all I have to do is click the back button and go looking for doll clothes. I'm a little confused with the whole 'BLAME DOLLMORE -shake fist-' going on. I understand that YES, they made the doll, and I think no bashing to DoA is appropriate since it's not like the mods decided the company should make the doll and let everyone have access to it. What bothers me is the unreasonable negativity towards the company. Fine, a label would be suitable. But swearing to never buy from them again, and they sunk so low, is just a little overkill. All they really did was stick to a (in my opinion) poorly executed cliche.

Would everyone react the same way if a Bermann/DELF/ETC serial killer doll was made? A lot of these arguments focus more on attacking the company then perhaps focusing on the creep factor. It's like old negativity for the Dollshe issue coming up against Dollmore. Bringing in personal feelings may not be the best idea. If it really bothers someone that much, send a note to Dollmore, and never look at the doll again. It's that simple.

I think that either way you either like the doll or not, or like the concept or not. I know quite a few people who would say 'COOOL' as they're huge gore and horror fans.
Pretty much attacking the doll for mature themes, you need to go against all the other horror stuff in media. Horror is a genre. It's bound to come up in dolly world.

I'm not attacking anyone. If you really honestly see this as a bad thing, fine, I respect your ideas, but these are dolls. And there is no explicit messages directed at killing women and rape. These are just 'noir' cliches in a corny shoot.