DM Model Doll Film Noir Lawrence -Incredibly Offensive Pictures

I don't really get what the concern is about... Does a killer have to be politically correct? "Man, I just killed two women! Now to kill two men! Oh wait! The women were white! Now I need to make sure I kill an Asian guy and a Black guy so I don't leave anyone out!" I don't really get what I'm supposed to be hung up about with the fact it's 'dead' female dolls... And what if he killed a pile of men instead? Isn't that kind of double-standard? For it to be more okay to kill a pile of men than a pile of women because then it's not misogyny?

I don't think doll companies are obligated to make a female counterpart to ever idea they have for a male doll... >_> Though I have to say I am intrigued by female serial killers... *morbid*

 

*le gasp* Dollmore, head of the BJD fashion couldn't decide how to dress a girl! XD

I like the wig's fit actually ^^; May be big, but I like how the bangs are kinda covering her eyes.

A Bit OT: and thinking of spontaneous stripping, a couple sober girls were running around campus streaking the other day...

 

WIN! I like this theory! XD

 

LOL!

"Sweetheart, maybe you shouldn't be dancing on the table...uh, oops, you okay down there?"

 

......I've been to parties like that.

 

That's the general idea. Yes. As I said, there is equal if not more gore in the Workshop subforum. DoA is not completely against interpretations and customizations - the threads do need to be titled with a "gore" warning, though. We do NOT allow horrific backstory or explicit photos to be posted here or linked back to from here - so in that case, this gratuitous ad campaign...is questionable.

 

So, is the doll going to be allowed, but linking to the ad for him on Dollmore going to be banned?

 

well have to say one thing, this must be Dollmore's most talked about doll, so more people will know about it because of the pics/storyline etc...

and love babytarragon reply... brilliant.

 

Interesting advertising stragegy on their end then. Though they'll spout a lot of hatred with the number of people flocking to see this doll, quite a few are bound to look at their other dolls to see if there's any past theme or anything, and possibly in the process fall for one of their other dolls...
They're definately putting their name out there!

 

BJDs, and images of these BJDs, including Film Noir Lawrence, are art, and they're heavily symbolic art. Controversial, emotionally evocative art.

Now, the point has been put forward that there are far more offensive and graphic images available online, and this is very true. It's also true that each individual, whether a parent or not, is entitled to form and express whatever opinion he or she desires. No one on this forum denies either of these points.

What's important here is that the owners and moderators of this forum have made the choice to allow minors to participate here and have set certain standards for aesthetics and all-ages appropriate material. We are neither the world's or the internet's police, however, it IS our responsibility to make choices about what we feel is appropriate material for the children we have welcomed to this forum. And while some of us may be disappointed, a certain level of censorhip that wouldn't be necessary on an adults only forum IS necessary here. Not because any of us are reactionary or squeamish or prudes, but because this is the sort of forum that's been created for us, and the children we've invited here, to play in.

What other images and influences that exist on the net or in the media are completely moot. Den of Angels was created to be a playground for ABJD collectors of all ages. What we need to establish is whether images of this doll are on topic for reasons of aesthetic. Yes, the Dollmore photograps are provocative. No, they are hardly the PG-13 we strive for on DoA.

On a board where a variety of mainstream looking dolls are deemed off topic for reasons of aesthetics, it seems odd to me that this doll would be considered exempt from these standards in such a strident manner.

 

I personally find it offensive and tasteless, but that's more because of the fact that it's on an easily-accessible website. I would just like to see it labeled "adult" or something. I'm a mulage artist (disaster make-up- I make up people to look injured for EMT classes, disaster training sessions, Every Fifteen Minutes, etc.) so I can certainly appreciate the skill of the face-up artist.
Doesn't DoA specifically outlaw photographs that are graphically violent in nature? So really, according to DoA rules, maybe there shouldn't even be a link to that ad.

 

Examples please? I don't recall as of my last look through at off topic dolls that they were made OT for aestetics more than being made OT for being "fashion dolls" or non-ball-jointed.

 

Hm.

*looks at site*

I think they're going for an Ed Gein and slasher horror sort of schtick. One of the biggest things I always noticed about slasher horror movies is that any young nubile women who have sex are often killed in horrific fashion.

At which case it would likely be the genre conventions of slasher movie flicks, Jason, Freddy Krueger, Leatherface et al.

It's a long and storied tradition that, I guess, started in cinema with Hitchcock's Psycho (which was more properly a psychological horror film rather than a slasher flick), but it's gone on to things like Saw, I Know What You Did Last Summer, even parodied to some extent with Buffy the Vampire Slayer and taken very seriously in Silence of the Lambs.

I'm not exactly saying that the prevailing slasher flick theme of young teenage females being killed by Scary Movie Flick Person because they were skinny dipping/doing drugs/having sex is an entirely fair and positive one. In fact, the trope of having a girl who is virginial, who avoids the "sins" of her murdered peers, becoming masculinized by taking up a weapon and dispatching the bogeyman is so archetypical genre-wise that it's even got a name - the Final Girl stereotype - coined by Carol J. Clover in a book about horror film stereotypes crossing over with feminism.

The argument goes that, for dramatic tension purposes the hero needs to show abject terror, which is not something appropriate in a male character, so they use a female instead. I guess the deaths of her frightened sex-having, drug-using peers would be symbolic of losing one's integrity/self to the press of conformity and the popularity game.

But then I'm veering into school paper territory here. To sum it up very bluntly: Dollmore is using the tropes and visual language of an accepted, popular genre, which can sometimes possess misogynistic undertones in a very mainstream, bland sort of way (the way women's magazines are seen as promoting self-hatred and self-image problems in young women).

While the genre itself is not entirely free from such content, I don't think it is appropriate to infer what Dollmore themselves believe about women from their use of said genre conventions.

- Mel

PS: I'm not really thrilled with his faceup. I think it could have been done with a lot more subtlety. That's about it.

PPS: Whether this is appropriate for a 13+ site like DoA, on the other hand, is another matter.

 

But what's deemed not ok for DoA is up to the mods--individual DoAers might not always feel the same way, but it's the mods decision to make, and someone has to make it *shrug*. Doesn't mean that the people in this thread have to feel that this doll/advertising is inappropriate, especially since it's Dollmore's site we're talking about here.

Besides, it seems that the real issue is the advertising and not the doll itself. Just because the advertising is questionable for younger DoA goers, wouldn't necessarily mean the doll is off limits. Horror mods, up to a limit, are allowed on here (and depending on how gorey you're talking, they aren't necessarily too much for a PG13 audience).

 

I actually like this doll.

Not so much the sculpt; he looks rather plastic and doesn't show much of the emotion I've come to love in BJDs. But I like the idea behind it. We're all mature people here, we should be able to handle mature subjects and concepts. It's a serial killer doll - so? A lot of people have them. Serial killers are popular because they're so interesting in this day and age. Hannibal Lector is proof enough of that.

Though the female dolls are nude, I don't think rape is meant to be implied. It might be a little sexual in nature, yes, but the male doll himself is not nude and he isn't on top of any of the female dolls. Horror movies depict far worse things than this.

And please, let's remember that it's just a doll. A warning label in the title of the product would suffice, and people who don't want to see something PG-13 or above can simply exit the window.

 

On that note, to those that do find it offensive, why do you continue to look?
Often enough I see with art lines of "if you find it offensive, don't flame, instead, just don't look"

If you see some of it that you find offensive why do you keep looking as to be more and more offended?


Edit: ...makes me wonder how people'd react if they were body blushed too. There's already this huge uproar and the women aren't even blushed...

 

I saw that doll at Dollmore before finding this thread and really, I though that guy got too drunk on his halloween party and ended up at a mannequin shop

then I found this thread and have been creeped out by some posts here, not by the doll. I have the feeling none would have screamed if it were a female doll with naked male dolls on the floor

I'm quite sick of how everything is taken the worst way nowadays. look, there's a Spanish singer called Loquillo which wrote a song called "La mataré" (I'll kill her) back in the 80s. we all know that singer and know he doesn't promote violence at all, he's quite a nice guy actuallly, and wrote that song about a man saying he'd kill hiss ex girlfriend if he ever saw her again because she had done horrible things to him (in the sentimental aspect)

back in the 80s this song was sort of a hit and people sang to it. I heard it the other day on the radio in my office and we all agreed this singer would be in prison had he written this song nowadays. which kind of scared us a bit thinking how has everything changed and how we try to avoid or publicly lapidate anything that may stirr our newfound morals (I mean, did people promote violence back in the 80s? or did poeple see it was just a song?)

all this blahblah to say this doll does not disturb me the tiniest bit, nor does the ad itself, WHILE I have indeed been disturbed by some pictures and/or implications on some photoshoots here at DoA

 

Maybe this is exactly the point. There are so many controversial images on DoA that we've all become fairly jaded to them. While I'm not a fan of censorship personally, there have been a great many images here that have been on the edge of appropriate, or tasteful, and though there is a supposed PG-13 rating on this forum, I see little in the way of enforcement of this standard.

There are hundreds of images posted here, and the job of policing them is mindboggling. The responsibility for deciding what's appropriate or not does belong to the mods, yes. However, I don't think it's too difficult or creativity limiting a task for the adults on this board to show a little sensitivity to the more impressionable members here, in the image posting choices they make. There are plenty of BJD forums on the net where the more provocative and controversial artistic expressions are welcome and appropriate. How much of a sacrifice is it to save these images for those outlets?

 

I always liked the final girl 'cause I could relate to her more than her "friends." And I like the butt-kicking!

But I always disliked the idea that females having sex equals bad, so they deserve to be killed? (Oh, that's another topic for another board for sure!) Most of the time, I want them to be killed because they are such bitchy, catty people. Not to mention stupid.

But I dunno. I think most of it has to do more with sex and sexualization for choosing females. I find that seeing a scared male makes me MUCH more afraid. Because males (stereotypically) don't show that much fear. Especially when it is some Aliens-type thing. Where the men are all military-type. Seeing people that are more capable than me (to get out of the situation), almost makes it seem like it would be a lost cause for me. Scary!

Am I really the only one who doesn't think his face-up looks that bad? He looks the way I would depict a zombie serial killer person.