Do you consider Dollfie Dream to be a BJD?

I wonder are people's opinions really that limited? BJD doesn't stand for strung resin dolls only allowed on DoA, it stands for ball jointed doll.

Just because DoA does/doesn't allow it to be discussed here it doesn't technically make it a "true BJD" or vice versa. It doesn't even
have to do with material, aesthetics, size or proportions. Just to make a stronger point, most of the newer dolls allowed for discussion on DoA
don't even have balls for joints –some like Fairyland Feeple have magnets that attach their arms to the body, so not completely strung. >_<;;

The guidelines provided for on-topic-ness are strictly related to DoA's owner's specific requirements for what can be discussed here,
not what makes or breaks a ball-jointed-doll elsewhere.

I'm one of those people who strongly believes that other's opinions are their own problem but most of these comments seem inconsistent with the term "ball jointed doll."



- Enzyme

 

The joints in DD2 and newer are sphere-shaped hinge joints, not ball-and-socket joints like the resin BJDs. The "ball" part of DD joints are two half-spheres that join in the center with a rod-and-case which pivots to provide the joint movement. While the appearance is that of a ball joint, it is technically NOT a ball-joint.

Personally, I view them in the same set as action figures or custom dolls like 1/6 Dollfie or Obitsu. I adore DD and think they do fit in with BJDs due to the scale and general aesthetic, but I do not really consider them to be the same type of doll as a resin BJD with ball-and-socket joints.

 

I definitely would consider them a bjd. I mean they have ball joints and they're dolls. Someone mentioned that them having non-realistic faces makes them less of a bjd. So if a Volks SD, Ipplehouse, Luts, RS, or some other canon bjd had an animetic/non realistic face-up, they would be considered less of a bjd? I think the distinction on this site should be that they're resin bjds vs vinyl or some other material. B/c yeah the elastic and the internal skeleton is definitely different, but in the end they're called BALL jointed dolls. And IMO a ball joint is a ball joint.

However I wouldn't include figmas and other figures with ball joints. I've never put a wig on any of my ball jointed action figures and most of them would look ridiculous if I put clothes on them.

 

No one ever said that a BJD had to be made from resin or strung with elastic. By definition a ball-jointed doll is ANY doll articulated with ball-joints. Now this particular forum has it's own definition to narrow down the focus of that broad term to focus on a specific sub-group of ball jointed dolls (aka asain aesthetics, humanoid in some way, highly jointed, highly customizable, strung with resin, ect...).

Dolfie dreams may have been grandfathered in and other dolls made similarly may not be allowed on forum but that doesn't mean that they are not ball-jointed dolls, they just don't suit what this forum has evolved to encompass.

Dolfie Dreams, Pullips, monster high, and probably more then half of dolls allowed on topic in this forum don't suit my personal tastes for one reason or another, but I recognize each one of them as a ball jointed dolls, just as I would an antique wooden BJD, a turn of the century bisque balljointed baby doll, or a OOAK porcelain BJD. It may not suit my tastes (or it may and just not the forums qualifications) but DD or any other doll for that mater is no less a BJD.

Ball jointed dolls have been around for hundreds (and I believe thousands) of years. I think it is pretentious for anyone to say a Dolfie dream or any other doll articulated with ball joints is not a 'real' ball jointed doll. Modern ball-jointed dolls as most of us know and love them have been around for less then 15 years, and I don't think that in 13 years you can change the definition of something that has been around for centuries.

 

Dollfie Dreams used to be strung with elastic and do have Ball Joints.I still think of them as BJD's,they are a Ball Jointed Doll.Just not the resin ones that usually pop in are heads.I think people just wasn't to believe BJD's are like a brand,which vinyl doesn't quite fit in.

 

Since I am a huge fan of the large Obitsu dolls, I definitely think they have a place here. The ones I have are ball-jointed, they simply are not strung. Obitsus (Parabox) have more realistic faces that in my opinion fit in with the general asthetic than DD, which tend to be highly animeic (is that a word?); however, DD are Volks, and since I think DoA started as a place for Volks doll owners, they would fit in more from that standpoint.
I love vinyl dolls because they are lighter in weight and because when you pose them, they stay in that pose-no kicking, collapsing, etc. The bodies are getting better- I think here specifically of the Yamato VMF series made by Obitsu, which are stunning and rival the most beautiful of the resin sculpts.
What many people don't realize is that the first DD were made by Obitsu (or at least that is what I have been told). Also, and this has been verified, the Gretel head made by Parabox was designed by the fabulous Rainman of Elfdoll.
I have seen vinyl dolls posted here from the Visuadoll series that were breath-taking. Ironically, there were a few comments saying how gorgeous they were, how that person wanted one, etc., until they found out they were vinyl. Then it was...."never mind."
I think like everything else it comes down to a matter of personal preference and liking one or the other or both (as I do- I love both resin and vinyl dolls, for different reasons) is neither right nor wrong, it's just an opinion.
And- since they are grandfathered in by the owners of this forum, who have the final say, what difference does it make? If you don't like vinyl- then don't read those threads. It's pretty simple.

 

I admit.. I haven't read much of this thread. Nor do I wanna dig too deeply into. I looked at the highlight reel as it were. Here's my two cents, not that anyone asked for em.

You have a doll, enjoy it. Whether the world at large considers it a BJD.. Or not. It really doesn't matter. Just enjoy it. If you don't photograph your dolls, okay! I do.. Okay! It's all in your mind what is fun for you. So just have fun with it! Yes DOA has quite a few rules as to what is.. and what isn't allowed. Thats fine, play by the rules or don't. I'm not saying don't have your debate, but remember always.. This is supposed to be a fun hobby. Where we share with each other our experience. So just have fun with it! BJD, DD.. Obitsu.. Etc.. etc.. Does any of that really matter? When what really matters is.. You love your dolls, no matter what you call em.

Alright, early morning ramble post over, and I'll get off my soap box.. Considering.. how little I post on DOA

 

If they have ball joints then they are Ball jointed dolls... Myself, I am not a fan of Dollfie Dream, however i think its really really cool that they have skeletons

 

Yes of course they are ball jointed dolls. A BJD does not have to be strung, made of resin or be from Asia to be a ball jointed doll. It does need to have ball joints in all the "hot spots" that allow it to mimic the movement of a human being e.g at the ankles & wrists with hinge type joints at the knees and elbows. BJD's can be made of resin, porcelain, vinyl, ABS plastic (and probably others I can't think of) although some forums only focus on a specific type of BJD. Instead of strings connecting the various body parts together a Dollfie Dream has a sophisicated internal skeleton where the various components link together via connecting parts. A standard Barbie for example does not count of course as it only has a round part that keeps on the head and isn't fully articulated with the classic zombie arms and legs look lol.

 

They are, if you consider what bad stands for
I have a friend who collects them
I like them a lot, but I probably won't buy one for now

 

Aren't they NOT because of what BJD stands for? I thought that DDs are hinged.

 

I think the actual question is what does it mean for a doll to have ball joints. The definition seems to be inconsistent from person to person.

I don't count recent Dollfie Dreams to be ball jointed because the jointing uses more of a peg system. Ball jointed doesn't mean that the jointed area is just a spherical shape because then even action figures and other peg and hinge dolls, as long as they sculted the joints spherically. The term implies the mechanics of movement, not the shape itself.