Do you consider Dollfie Dream to be a BJD?

Thank you for the explaination! I can definently see how they'd be associated with figmas, then.

 

I certainly think their face is noticeably different than the average ABJD (It really creeps me out, actually). They are technically ball jointed dolls, but they don't quite seem to fit the average aesthetic. Though, I've got to say, that picture of the skeleton is cool.

 

{nods enthusiastically} Absolutely, I consider my reproduction procelain dolls to be BJD's they (and especially the 19th and early 20th Century dolls they are reproductions of) are the origial BJD's.... the current ones are just the Next Generation of them.

Teddy

 

You still have not addressed what "definition" of "BJD" you are asking to be debated.

 

Find some pictures of a few of the earliest Volks resin models. They look pretty much like that, but in resin.

It's not always been the case that we had highly realistic faces on our resinkind


Dollfie Dreams are fabulous dolls, and can support resin heads as well as vinyl heads. If the forum were being started today they probably wouldn't make the cut, but given that the DD1s ARE strung (at least legs and torso are) I certainly understand why they were considered on-topic originally.

 

Yes indeedy.

But I suppose, as the question of the location and legitimacy of this thread has been brought into question, I'll take my answer away from the obvious and my general feelings about all things BJD

In terms of the brass tacks of the question, yes I would consider Dollfie Dreams to be BJDs. They are ball-jointed and therefore are without a doubt BJDs. But I'm sure that's not what the OP meant. On a more aesthetic level, I find a lot of the DDs to be very beautiful, but not in the same manner as resin dolls - nor can I ever see myself owning one (though I'll surely eat those words some day ).

In the same way that Obitsu are not considered 'BJDs', nor can Dollfie Dreams really be considered such either by the discerning BJD collector. They have lots of things about them which differ completely from the basic resin BJD and as such are not (in the BJD-hobby sense) 'proper' BJDs.

In terms of the accepted (by most people) 'rules' of ABJD-dom, they're not BJDs at all - the only thing that makes them BJDs is their ball joints. Or so I'm told


But all that said, I actually do consider them to be BJDs, I just wanted to offer a bit of another side Albeit half-heartedly

 

Surely the definition is different for each person? It's possible that some people who respond (such as myself) will take the literal meaning, but others (and I was actually only joking when I replied that way) will actually take it the way it appears to have been meant. I don't really think it's unclear as to what she meant - it screams to me to mean BJD in the DoA sense of the term, rather than the literal sense.

 

I deffinately consider them as BJD's, I've seen one in person *didnt really get to see its posability* and i'd never nkow that it wasnt a resin doll if it wasnt for that face lol

and plus, I own a 55cm obitsu boy and it's another one of the dolls thats grandfathered in the same way that the DD's are I believe...and to me, BJD's are dolls with more articulation...that move on ball joints...weither they're strung or pegs made out of plastic/vinyl/whatever...the DD's have ball joints that they move on, hence, ball jointed dolls ^^

(and isnt resin just another form of plastic anyway? just in a different medium?)

and plus (and this is just me being reatreded ^^) balls are circular shaped...most joints in resin BJD's now and days are like...rounded rectangles lol

 

They are a little different looking and everything, but they're ball jointed. It's all the same.

 

When I think "BJD" I automatically think of strung resin dolls. So based on that, I could say no, I don't consider them BJDs. But I do. I have a DD & she does have ball joints, so she is a ball jointed doll in that sense. She hangs out with my resin dolls & shares wigs & clothes with them and I count her as a BJD in my collection. So when asked "What's a BJD?" I'll describe a strung resin doll. Ask me "Do you think Dollfie Dreams are BJDs?" and I'll say yes. Maybe I contradict myself, but then again I'm a contrary person so it's to be expected

 

I came into ABJD through Volks 27cm Dollfie figures.

27cm Volks Dollfie bear little resemblence to resin BJD. They are more like Asian fashion dolls (like Momoko or Jenny) with the articulation of a highly sophisticated action figure. I love mine, but I don't consider them the same thing.

My first female big doll was a DD1 with an F08 head, which was more like a super curvy vinyl BJD. It was strung with elastic. She was lighter, she stained more easily, and didn't have the "feel" of my resin BJD. She didn't seem like the same creature. Most people didn't actually use the default DD heads - they swapped in resin heads (CP was particularly popular). They were a cheaper body alternative.

The DD2's inner skeleton is even less of a "BJD" to me. I view the DD2 and the 60cm Obitsu as having more in common with their 27cm counterparts. DD2/Obitsu60 are pretty much only grandfathered in on the forum because it seemed crappy to disallow them when the original DD1 was allowed... and enforcement would have been a pain in the ass.

I don't think they're any less "doll" or any less worthy of attention... they are just not the same type of doll to me and I wouldn't label them as a "BJD." Some of their joints are ball-shaped, but not ball-and-socket even... most of them are pins or hinges.

 

I never thought of it that way.

It doesn't look too much different from BJD, and they are sorta in the same area..just maybe not the same in skeleton

 

Dolls with internal skeletons like DDs and Obitsus have a different sort of system than bjds do. However, my two obitsus fit in well with my bjds as they are stylistically similar, wear similar sized clothes, are made to be customized etc. I suppose what I'm getting at is that to me they have the same 'feel' even if they are engineered differently.

 

What definition do you personally use to classify what is a BJD and what is not? A debate only arises when someone presents one definition or opinion to be actively debated. This thread is actually along the lines of a discussion rather than an organised debate. In debates people are either for or against a specific position...but there isn't something specific to be debated! I guess this is a straightforward 'yes or no' discussion.

For me, although I have a DDII body and I think it is a fantastic piece of engineering and most definitely a doll...I don't tend to consider a DD a BJD in the same way as I do a resin doll. I think of resin and vinyl dolls as two different beasts. Both have ball-shaped joints...but in a strung doll, the ball joints are true ball joints in that the string directly connects a ball joint to a socket joint and the movements of the doll rely on this ball-and-socket movement, whereas a vinyl doll such as Dollfie Dream, may have ball-shaped joints, but those joints move in a very different way. For instance, the shoulder joint of the DDII body is ball-shaped, but it actually works as a hinge joint rather than a true ball joint, this is also the case with DDII ankles, where the appearance is that of a ball joint, but in actuality, the joint is again a hinge because it doesn't give the entire range of movement that a true ball joint would.

 

My idea of what a ball-jointed doll is is similar to Armeleia's. A ball and socket constitute a ball joint. As soon as pins and hinges come into play, I don't consider them ball jointed dolls in the sense of joint construction, it simply isn't the same system.
This doesn't make them any less a doll than a bjd, not at all, but it does make them a different kind of doll.

 

If the doll uses ball joints for articulation, I'd consider them a BJD.

 

I never really thought of the modern BJD's ancestry..........

it's great to see where they came from.

Once upon a tiime, I hand-finished and painted a composition (strung) ball jointed body for a repro procelain head

....so maybe we all owe a "thank you" to the dollmakers of previous centuries too

and , as great as the ball-jointed skeleton looks, can someone contact the company to fix those hands......please?

 

Honestly, I don't care whether my Yumi-tan is or is not a BJD. I love her, she's gorgeous, she can cosplay better than I can, and I love the fact she holds poses effortlessly.

To be honest, I'm looking forward to getting a large-scale Obitsu eventually and would opt for that over any conventional resin ball joint doll. The Obitsu radical poseability is something I love in my 23 and 27cm Obitsus, and to have that on a larger scale....sugoi! Dollfie Dream is lovely and they look much better than Obitsu in hardly any clothes, but they have constraints on their joints that restricts them to human-like poses.

The fact that they are lighter in weight is also a feature, not a bug, for me. I have mentioned before I have injuries to my neck and shoulders. Carrying Yumi-tan around is a pleasure.