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Do you consider Dollfie Dream to be a BJD?

Jul 8, 2009

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    1. I think Dollfie Dream count as Ball jointed dolls. IF you look at them put together, the wrists, knees, and ankles revolve around a ball...I agree with einon. a doll doesn't have to be resin and strung with elastic to be a bjd.
       
      #81 little_rika, Oct 16, 2009
    2. This is more just a fun thought: Some people, me included, have used wire/pipe cleaners to help with posing. Wouldn't that qualify as a internal skeleton? So couldn't one just put string inside the DD and it would be strung? Therefor a technical bjd?
       
      #82 juliepinetree, Oct 16, 2009
    3. I have one of the first versions of DD and she is ball jointed and strung with elastic. The newer ones also have ball joints. So...yes, balljointed doll both first AND second versions. It does kinda irk me sometimes that people always talk about them like there is only the ones with the endoskeletons.

       
      #83 Wolfmammy, Oct 16, 2009
    4. I think that they could be considereted like a ball jointed doll, they have ball joints too but united with hard pastic.

      I had seen great customitions of them not only the clasical manga stile imitating a know character. So the have the same custom potential
       
      #84 Vithae_Kenneos, Oct 21, 2009
    5. Well,
      If you want to get all technical and factual.
      DD are not the same as MABJD (modern asian ball jointed dolls). They are in all reality, giant Volks Dollfie (1/6). The company themselves have stated the two brands are two seperate intities. And really, DD just dont have the same aesthetics as MABJDs.
      BUT I think some people with noses in the sky feel resin BJDs are more superior. With this I disagree. You can have a preference, and feel a certain thing is better for your tastes, but you should not put down other peoples preferences.
      I personally LOVE DD and when I do get one, she will be in my crew of resin kids and treated just like I treat my other dolls.
      Mattel came out with those Teen Trends dolls a few years back, and newer ones with the same body I believe, except now they have inset eyes and wigs!... vinyl, ball jointed and strung. They have ball joints and are dolls, but they are just different from MABJDs.
      So in my opinion, all dolls of every genre included.. if they have ball joints, they are BJDs, but this does NOT mean they are MABJDs.

      *Jen
       
      #85 sumomo123, Oct 21, 2009
    6. Since they are not made of resin I don't consider them BJDs, that's not to say I don't like them, I would love to own one and have always like their anime asthetic. Still to me to be a BJD in the way we use the term on the forums they need to be made of resin.
       
      #86 fireflytrance, Oct 21, 2009
    7. I would consider them a "ball joint doll". Iactually have an Obtisu 50cm body and its more realistic than my other doll's bodies and poses SOOO amazingly I love it. PLus theyre so light!

      At my first doll meet in my area people were asking if she was a Volks mold and they said she looked like she was resin, when I told them she was actually an Obitsu 50cm with a Gretel head they were suprised, and May is usually my doll that gets the "praise" like oh shes so pretty, etc.

      Plus she has ball joints, she stains, I had to get her a face up and clothes and a wig, eyes. I have the same feelings in the same way I did my other dolls. Shes hard to buy clothes and shoes for but that's about it haha.

      I do consider the Vinyl relatives to be BJD, not resin and not strung, but resin at heart lol...I'm glad they were grandfathered in and that May has made such a good impression on the people that I've run into!
       
      #87 SatoHai, Oct 21, 2009
    8. I consider them as BDJ and they are my favorite, my first doll was Rin tohsaka and she is really beautiful :)
       
      #88 GebGeb, Oct 27, 2009
    9. Yes, I think DD's are BJDs
       
      #89 dollfiegirl306810, Oct 27, 2009
    10. I never used to consider them as BJDs, as BJD's to me are Resin, and strung with elastic.
      Also, I usually dislike the Anime look.

      But, when I went to a doll meet and saw one for real, I was so shocked.
      My opinion of them changed SO much, just by seeing one in person.

      I can look past the Anime look now, I love them.
      At the meet,a few others agreed with me too . They never used to like them, and now, they all want one - Me included :)
      To me, they are definately classed as BJDs. They may not be resin, but who cares? :)
       
      #90 callum91, Oct 28, 2009
    11. No, not really.
      Technically, they're hinge jointed. I don't consider my Goodreau Secret a Ball jointed Doll for this very reason either- her knees and elbows are hinged. I love her and she lives with my BJDs, and her boyfriend is a BJD (she's even in my sig)

      I certainlly don't think they are by the so called "rules" of AoD. They're vinyl, usually have painted on eyes, aren't strung, have hinge joints and don't have the rather ambigious "ABJD aestetic"

      I'm not opposed to them, by any means but I simply mentally catagorize them elsewhere.
       
      #91 LillyKitten, Nov 3, 2009

    12. i agree...i've been thinking about this, too while reading this thread and seems like each has their own definition...unless DoA give a rigid official definition....

      moreover, i think this is what the thread is all about...to get to know other people's view and understanding about BJD

      i just remember a friend told me a difference between disc and disk. He was being sarcastic though and refer those terms based on the definition by a famous software-hardware company...he said, confusing, eh? i said: absolutely. I have my own understanding although i'm not a super high-tech person.

      So, unless there's an official, legal term for BJD, then let's open our mind to other view and understanding...whether they are expert in BJD or NOT.

      i've been wondering this question, though: should a BJD be a ball-jointed doll 'strung'? should it be a resin? Perhaps, DoA should define what kind of ball in their BJD term.

      well, anyway, we are in DoA, so, if they don't allow, then ok, we can go to another forum, then...we can only talk what is allowed here...cause if not, the mods will close our thread...:sweat ...will be such a waste of time to write a lot of question or topic and then it's closed because it's off topic...i took this risk once when asking about comparison between vinyl vs resin doll (obitsu 60cm with resin strung dolls) :sweat...
       
      #92 nichan, Nov 15, 2009
    13. Personally, to me they are BJDs, mostly because they were more or less the first dolls i saw, so it's by association. To me, their "skeletron" is just like a regular BJD's stringing, just more solid and... Mechanic. But esthetically, they're more or less the same. I just wish they were in resin, for the only reason that plastic is easier to stain and so hard to clean...
       
      #93 MaskTheEnd, Nov 15, 2009
    14. Just to be clear:

      BJD = ball-jointed doll, not resin, strung, ball-jointed doll.

      What THAT means is a doll whose joints are rounded....kinda like balls...which both the FIRST & SECOND Dollfie Dreams have, just like the Obitsu.

      Personally, I don't understand people's weird need to over-categorize things:Well, it's not made of resin......well THIS version isn't strung...blahblahblah. Soon every single doll on here will fit into some kind of pigeon-hole....boring.

      Maybe people should read the FAQs and search around on the boards before categorizing other people's dolls.
       
      #94 Wolfmammy, Dec 18, 2009
    15. I agree with you Wolfmammy in the sense that they're getting over-categorized. I know there are some dolls out there that have ball joints and are strung with elastic, but because they are made of ABS plastic, (and have different proportioning) are considered an off-topic doll on these forums. I'd still consider them a BJD just as I would my DDII, or my BBB. Heh. BJD classifications are beginning to look like requirements for dog breeds. "Well, he's part of the Hound Group, so no, he can't run in the Shepards' agility competition". I just think folks make things too technical.
       
      #95 americas_cynic, Dec 18, 2009
    16. ha ha ha LOL I love it too funny.

      Here is a wonderful article on Wikipedia for everyone that asked for the term to be defined

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball-jointed_doll

      and another that refers to the ACCURATE use of the word Dollfie

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollfie

      and lastly an article on the Super Dollfie

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Dollfie

      I would like to point out that the ONLY reference made to the materials used in the creation of any BJD were specific to The SUPER DOLLFIE and not to ABJD as a whole. there are alot of words like USUALLY, and COMMONLY, however nothing that states it MUST be made of resin which is merely a hard plastic that resembles porcelain and does not contain the softening agent PVC that is used in the creation of Vinyl. Neither is there anything that states that it MUST be strung in order to be called a Ball Joint Doll.

      The definition of BJD simply is any doll that is articulated with ball and socket joints.

      Thusly ABJD would be any Asian doll that is articulated with ball and socket joints.

      Therefore the Dollfie Dream is by Definition an ABJD and since it is a strung ABJD (at least in the beginning) it is within the scope of this forum. The new version does not comply with the strung requirement and were it not for the original would most likely not have been permitted. Thank god for the Grandfather clause. Other wise there might be alot of RESIN dolls that would no longer be permitted here either.

      there is currently no definition for BJD or Ball Joint Doll available on Dictionary.com

      Please note that caps are being used to stress a word or phrase and are in no way intended to yell at anyone.
       
      #96 serenityslr, Dec 18, 2009
    17. Are Dolfie Dreams Ball-Jointed-Dolls?
      Do they have ball joints? Yes. Ipso facto - they are ball-jointed-dolls.

      Note:
      -Having a skeleton does not make a doll with ball-joints suddenly cease to be a ball-jointed-doll.
      -Being made of vinyl or plastic does not make a doll with ball-joints suddenly cease to be a ball-jointed-doll.
      -DoA's specifications for which dolls are "on topic" and "off topic" do not necessarily constitute what is and is not a ball-jointed-doll, by definition.

      IMHO:
      I think the Delilah Noir is a much more attractive doll than the Dolfie Dream, because the DN has more realistic features, and is more closely proportioned to most BJD's, in holding with aesthetics. I don't like DD's heads, because they're oh-so-anime. DN is made of vinyl, which makes her off-topic. The DD was grandfathered in, which makes them on-topic. NEITHER OF THESE FACTS cause the dolls to cease being what they are - dolls with ball-joints; ergo: Ball-Jointed-Dolls.

      Both of them are BJD's; their additonal makeup/aesthetics do not make either of them superior to the other, or inferior to resin dolls.

      Everyone has an opinion - mine is: "I don't like DD's, because they look strange to me." Someone else's may be "I only like DD's, because they fit my characters/they cosplay so well!" But opinions do not change facts - dolls with ball-joints are, in fact, ball-jointed-dolls, no matter what the rest of their aesthetic or makeup is.

      Being a BJD does not necessarily grant you admittance to join DoA's "on topic" elite, but being denied that status does not make the doll any less than what it is.
       
      #97 SandKitten, Dec 18, 2009
    18. I think DD look really cute and are well made, but I don't think of them in the same way as other ABJDs. They're indeed just like a giant Volks dollfie or an anime figure (and I don't see how this is an insult). They're in a different style and made of different materials. They're pretty dolls, just different.
       
      #98 Nefla, Dec 18, 2009
    19. They seem to me that the 'ball joints' aren't really ball joints- with a ball and socket. Looking at the provided picture, it appears (and correct me if I'm wrong, I've not seen one in real life) that the joints are not ball and socket, but an entirely different joint, just shaped like a ball.

      In my opinion, they are beautiful Asian dolls, but not specifically ball-jointed in the way I think of a ball joint (with a socket). When I think BJDs- I think dolls that apply to the DOA rules (ie Made of resin, strung with elastic, ball-and-socket joints, ect) and I don't think they fit in with the rules. I honestly don't care about their on topic or off topic status- I think they're lovely dolls- but they don't have the ball jointing that I associate with BJDs.
       
      #99 Ella, Dec 19, 2009
    20. No.

      The first one were ball joint dolls, they had ball jonits and were strung, but the new ones have hinges. but neither of them are ABJDs, i also dont consider obitsu's ABJD, i just dont think they have the same esthetic as resin, the care & keeping is very different
       
      #100 whooganana, Dec 20, 2009
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