Do you consider Dollfie Dream to be a BJD?

As far as DoA goes, no I don't consider them to be BJD because of the strict rules on here that categorize them. But, eh. Why not? I think people just find the resin dolls more appealing because they look more realistic, and are generally more expensive, thus appearing more sophisticated, and people who have DD's are considered to be obnoxious otakus because the doll looks like an anime character. Generally speaking of course. ^o~

At least that's how I've always been treated...

Actually, I'm working on a MDD right now. I'm not sure how well she'll fit in because everyone else looks so realistic, and she looks, well she's based off of an anime (kinda) character. XD;; We'll just have to see.

Speaking of realism...what exactly is everyone referring to when they say DD are more realistic? If I wasn't so offended by that statement, I'd find it funny. I guess I'll just have to wait and see once I get mine. They just look like 3D cartoon characters with over exaggerated femininity to me.

Also, it bothers me a little bit that the BJD Wikipedia article puts SO much emphasis on the Asian BJD... Whenever I think of BJD, I always think of the ones from Europe back in the 1800's first. It just seems a little discriminatory to me. Maybe it's just me.

 

I highly doubt people on DoA generally prefer resin dolls because they're more expensive or seem more prestigious or whatnot. There are plenty of resin dolls that are less expensive than DD or Obitsu 1/3. If you go onto an anime forum, the DDs would probably be prefered. DoA isn't an anime based doll hobby, many people come from general doll collecting backgrounds.Resin ABJDs have many more options available than DD-esque dolls do, so there's something for everyone.

If you've been treated badly because of the dolls you own, it's horrible no matter what. Most people don't look down on you for your doll choices, but there are a few who will. There are people who look down on or make fun of every doll or company out there.

I haven't heard anyone say DD was more realistic, but I wouldn't think that statement would be offensive.

I really doubt this is some kind of elitism or prejudice. If there is a modern version of something, people will think of the modern version first. If someone mentions dresses or shoes, I'm not going to think of Victorian gowns and shoes first, I'm going to think of modern clothing. I'm not sure why you seem to be so up in arms, but if you like your doll what does it matter if you percieve others as not liking it?

 

as far as their faces go it's not too rare to see such anime heads lately
from various BJD companies...
it's getting more popular to give dolls a sort of over-the-top character
(big nose,small or huge eyelids,extreme square/round/oval head shape etc)
rather than paying a tribute to realism,
and let's not forget the Japanese rasendou anime style heads
that were released a few ages ago:
http://www.gigglegeek.dk/dollrasendo.htm
they were almost identical to Dollfie Dream and it'd be fun to see more resin dolls go that root..
(as basic body/face dolls to make popular anime characters out of)

people that say that DDI was a BJD and DDII isn't as an owner of both,
well nothing much changed in the aesthetics of the outward shape of the body,
however with the skeleton the body is 400% more poseable and able to hold the poses
than before when it was strung so I guess it didn't hurt to build a fantastic inner
skeleton to replace the primitive elastic cord method if you ask me>___<;;
(not that I don't like the elastic method!!XD)

 

I choose the DD because her body was more mature than any of the resins I'd seen. As for realism...I'd definitely hesitate to call any bjd that! Lol

 

I'm sorry if you've been treated badly because other people have judged you harshly on your Dollfie Dream. I've never had an experience like that. I'm not sure about the assumption that DD owners are "obnoxious otaku", all the other DD owners I've had experience with treat their DDs as anyone would treat a resin BJD and haven't appeared obnoxious at all.

I'm not sure why you'd be offended if someone thought a DD body appeared realistic, of all the doll-related topics one could be offended by it seems relatively minor! I happen to think that the normal bust and small bust versions of DDII do look quite realistic and proportionate. You can tell that the person who sculpted them had a knowledge of anatomy. The larger bust parts aren't to my taste (and aren't particularly realistic either) but then again, some women really do have a very large bust either through natural means or they've paid for them :p

And as for Wikipedia, I hardly think this is discriminatory. Since the whole premise of wikipedia is of shared knowledge, you could always change it to include earlier doll information? I think its more like Nefla said, Asian BJD are currently being manufactured and collected so the modern version is more prominent at the moment, rather than deliberately cutting the European dolls out. I think it also comes down to terminology because as far as I'm aware European ball-jointed dolls were always simply called 'dolls' when they were being manufactured and sold and even collected, whereas there is a strong emphasis on the ball-jointedness of Asian BJDs, so if someone hears of BJDs of ball-joint dolls they'll think of the Asian, modern ones first.

 

I think of Dolfie Dreams as ball-jointed dolls, but they are, along with the similar sized Obitsus and the MDDs, the major exceptions to all of the on-topic rules DoA has set in place.

It seems odd that we can talk about a line of vinyl and skeleton built dolls with a very particular facial aesthetic but can't talk about Hujoo, a line of tiny sized vinyl dolls which are strung, or a few choice anthros, like DollZone's Bulldog and Elephant, becuase the look didn't quite match up with the aesthetic precident of the moment.

It's really like pulling hairs here. Dolfie Dreams are articulated, ball-jointed dolls. They are beautifull made and designed, just wonderful dolls, but they wouldn't be on DoA if they came out today.

That doesn't stop me from playing with idea of owning one.

 

i think they are, because they do have "ball-joints"

 

Here's my take on the subject:

Does it have ball joints and fits into the general aesthetic of what we expect an ABJD to look like? YES.

Does it matter (to me at least) if an ABJD is elastic strung or has an internal armature? NO.

Does it matter if the doll is made of resin or soft/hard vinyl? NO.

Therefore, is it an ABJD? YES.

This is just my personal opinion on the matter.

Phil.

 

I guess I would sort of consider them BJDs... but only grudgingly so. I'm terribly disenchanted by them... I prefer dolls with that classic angelic face. I'm also just a stickler for a "quality" face, and DD's just look like anime Barbies to me. Not to mention the often over-sexualized body with the DD's. (I've always thought of that acronym as a pun for the bust size...)

 

I'm not really sure. Personally I collect bjd and dollfie dream but I kind of consider them to be their own respective collections, I don't lump them altogether I kind of keep them segregated. For the record, I actually prefer DD over SD but I love bjd tinies.

 

My DDs (both type 1 and 2) have their own couch and shelf. I don't think I did it intentionally, but I think I place a higher value on my resin ABJDs than my vinyl ones. I love them all dearly, though.

In answer, though, I don't think they are off-topic. They have ball joints, but are not resin yes, but we don't call them "ARBJDs", do we?

 

I posted in this thread before, and I'm going to follow up now. I don't care whether or not my Dollfie Dream and my Obitsu boy are considered ABJDs or not. In point of fact, I call them "Asian Vinyl Armature Dolls" when anyone asks, and briefly describe the fact that they have internal skeletons made of a rigid plastic that keep them together.

They are beautiful, I can carry them around without stressing my neck and shoulders, and I enjoy the heck out of them. They are also affordable dolls as opposed to the high-end of the resin ABJD market. Yeah, I know that Bobobie and a few other Chinese makes are doing dolls that are less expensive. But I like the aesthetic of the DDs and the Obitsus and love the fact that they are very cooperative photo models. I LIKE the fact they are anime-aesthetic, because I love anime and have since my childhood and watching Kimba and Speed Racer on UHF TV locally.

My dolls have also inspired me to write again. Both of my most recent writing exercises...one for a screenwriting class, the other for myself, have had some inspiration from my dolls. The latter project can only be described as "fanfic about my dolls" but they are evolving into an actual novel about two Asian-American families in Los Angeles and how they are brought together by love. I'm grateful for that. They have become my little muses.

 

I think DDs deserve to be referred to as highly as any BJD. And my DD (well, DD body and Obitsu Gretel head) has the old strung body and is much like my other BJDs. I refer to her as a ball-jointed doll.

 

I have to say that I don't see them as BJDs, the whole internal structure makes them too different for me to consider them the same as the others. I also think the super-cartoonised appearance makes them look too much like little anime action figures.

Of course I may be biased because I'm not in any way a fan of anime and I actually dislike the whole style plus I do think DDs look too much like barbies and that their bodies are pretty ugly :/

But as I've said I'm a bit of a fan of realism.

 

I cosider mine to be...

They are from japan= asian
they do have ball joints, and are dolls= bjd

Sounds like an abjd to me ^^

 

Well, I have an Obitsu Gretel (which is kind of like a Dollfie Dream) and I consider her a BJD and a Dollfie at the same time. When explaining my dolls to people, I show them my Dollfies first and then my Obitsu Gretel and finally all my resin BJDs. I like to tell people that my Gretel was a transition doll between the Dollfie and BJD worlds.

 

In reply to this, think about what the BJD stands for -- 'Ball Jointed Doll'. Are DDs Ball Jointed? Yes. Are they dolls? Yes. In all practical and technical terms, they are BJDs.

Regardless of if you like them or not, that doesn't make them any less of what they are. Additionally there are PLENTY of really not-so-great looking resin BJDs. There are also a lot that don't appeal to me at all, but once again, that doesn't make them not BJDs simply because I don't like them. You may wish that DDs weren't at all associated with the realistic dolls you like so much, but it's a pure and simply fact -- They are Ball Jointed Dolls. They are made by a highly respected company who pretty much originated resin BJDs in the first place.

 

BJD or not, I think the skeleton looks freaking awesome!

 

Yes of course, they're ball jointed and are dolls.
DDs are the only type I love, they're so beautiful and their bodies are so mature,curvy and just beautiful!
I think Resin BJDs are ugly and am not a fan of most of the bodies, I tried for a couple of month to see if
I would warm up to them but I just couldn't find them attractive and dont see myself ever buying one.

 

I personally don't like DD's... I much prefer the realistic look of ABJD's... I love Anime but I just don't think that DD's are the true BJD that I would think of.. They're more like (as said by deadlyGrace) Anime Barbies...
But in technical terms, DD's are Asian Ball Joint Dolls - they have ball joints and they do come from Asia.
So yeah, I'd consider them to be a BJD, but I personally wouldn't want one. Like I said, I prefer the realism of Resin BJD's over the Anime of DD's. Also, the eyes they usually paint on those dolls are in the "shoujo" anime style (most of the one's I've seen had them anyways, there may be ones without shoujo eyes but this is just from what I've seen), and personally I really don't like Shoujo at all. I think that's one of the things that turns me off of them is the shoujo eyes; and the really big busty bodies.