Do you feel that you should pretend to love dolls that you don’t?

-On the DOA boards where discussion and debates are the norm, do you feel that it is acceptable and safe to express dislike for a doll or doll company?
Of course, there is no debate without different opinions

-Do you find that DOA members are overly sensitive to someone not liking their doll? Or do you totally understand the offended party and think people should only say good things on DOA about all dolls.
People should say what they think within the bounds of politeness. I haven't seen any overly sensitive people on here so far.

-Are you willing to admit that you don’t like a doll on the DOA board? I don’t mean in a thread where someone is showing off their particular doll. More like in a thread where people are discussing companies or aesthetics. It would be awkward to drop into someone’s thread just to tell them their doll was not to your liking wow.
There would be no point in having boards like this if everyone felt they had to be bland and agree with each other.

-Would you mind if someone said they were not into a doll you happened to own? (please, I am not looking for examples of one weirdo telling you to your face that your doll was horrible, anyone would hate that!)
Not in the least, we all have different tastes

-Do you find that you can’t help but feel offended/attacked/defensive when someone does not approve of a doll you happen to own? If so why?
Not if they expressed their dislike in a polite manner, as long as I am happy with my dolls, other people's opinion has little affect on my to be honest... maybe it's to do with age. Younger people generally feel more pressure to "fit in" and maybe that's why they can feel attacked when someone merely expresses a difference of opinion. Defensiveness evapourates if you are confident in your own choices

-Have you ever thought that you over reacted in the forum to someone expressing dislike of a doll you happen to own? If so what was it that made you so mad?
Hasn't happened yet, plus I don't personally identify myself with a make of doll just because I own one. If someone attacked a doll I made, that would be different!

-If you are someone who does get defensive do you feel totally justified when you are mad? If so why?
Don't understand all this talk of defensiveness?

-If someone dislikes a doll you happen to own do you try to convince that person that the doll is beautiful! If so why?
No and to be honest I would have little respect for anyone whose opinions are so shallow they could be argued round! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you either feel it for a doll or you don't

 

Haha, I missed the comment at the bottom first time around: "Maybe because I am an artist by trade and I am used to hearing people give their opinions (good or bad) on things I care about." So true, try being a designer for 20 years and still manage to get defensive about anything people say anymore... I get so many brickbats thrown my way routinely everyday, and this is from people who respect my work and pay me to do it! After having people say "I HATE this, it's C**p" about something you've spent hours/days designing, when the person ranting merely means "I'm not sure, could we try it in a slightly different colour"... well, you get my drift... my dolls are mine and nobody can dent my confidence in them!!!

So are all of yours, be they "cheap" (that one always makes me laugh!) or exclusive, given the greatest artist face-up or drawn on with a sharpie, dressed in solid gold or in a sock.... they are all beautiful to their owners, and those owners should remember that's the only thing that matters

 

I only have one doll, a resinsoul Bei, and I know people are going to scoff because it's a cheap brand. Honestly I've always wanted her and was ecstatic when I finally got her, it had nothing to do with price, but I'm afraid when I go to my first meet people will look down on her because of it. I suppose I'll just have to make a stunning outfit to put her in, eh?

Myself though, I won't say anything bad about a doll, especially to the owners face, that's far too rude. I know people put a lot of time, money and love into a doll-- even if it's not my style, I do respect that.

 

i dont think its bad to unappreciate some dolls like the ones with pointed ears, those are unattractively scary.

 

-On the DOA boards where discussion and debates are the norm, do you feel that it is acceptable and safe to express dislike for a doll or doll company?

I don't dislike any dolls and/or companies. I dislike collectors that choose molds based on brand. I praise collectors who match dolls to their dear characters.

-Do you find that DOA members are overly sensitive to someone not liking their doll? Or do you totally understand the offended party and think people should only say good things on DOA about all dolls.

I find it of bad taste to tell people their doll is ugly. Silence is key here.

-Are you willing to admit that you don’t like a doll on the DOA board? I don’t mean in a thread where someone is showing off their particular doll. More like in a thread where people are discussing companies or aesthetics. It would be awkward to drop into someone’s thread just to tell them their doll was not to your liking wow.

Yes, if I am asked personally. Not in a thread about a mold that I am not interested in.

-Would you mind if someone said they were not into a doll you happened to own? (please, I am not looking for examples of one weirdo telling you to your face that your doll was horrible, anyone would hate that!)

Not at all. But I expect them to express their opinions politely and succinctly.

-Do you find that you can’t help but feel offended/attacked/defensive when someone does not approve of a doll you happen to own? If so why?

No. I am a grown man.

-Have you ever thought that you over reacted in the forum to someone expressing dislike of a doll you happen to own? If so what was it that made you so mad?

No. I don't care about what most people think of my dolls.

-If you are someone who does get defensive do you feel totally justified when you are mad? If so why?

No. No justification for public display of madness. I drop the case wit a short note explaining how I feel.

-If someone dislikes a doll you happen to own do you try to convince that person that the doll is beautiful! If so why?

No, PLEASE!!!!

Gus251: Aesthetics is probably the most relative concept there is. Please hold on and try to admire the things you like and learn to weed out what you don't. What people like and how they react to it is beyond your control. Please put your efforts into learning about what you like and dislike. It does not need to be public.

 

Heh heh heh... I like this answer.

 

lol that is funny!

 

Gus251, I admit it, I lol'd. XD

In your opinion, perhaps. I find the one I own rather attractive, and intend to either mod or reshell another doll into an elf mold some day to match his character. (I got his head for wonderfully cheap and while there's an elf version of him, I can't part with the $$ to redo him just yet. Someday.)

There is a difference between not liking a style of doll and blanket-stating they're unattractive. I'm not a huge fan of most Minimees, but I'm not going to call them all unattractive, or hunt owners (or would-be owners) down to tell them how much I dislike their dolls. People like them, and that's good enough for me. Who am I to tell someone else their taste sucks? It's THEIR tastes, not mine, and while I might not agree, I don't have to try and make everyone agree with my tastes.

 

It is a delicate subject for sure, but I always try to be polite because one of my favourite sculpts is really unpopular. (according to a thread on condoll. he just kept coming up!)

I admit it was a little disappointing to realize, but I'm not really bothered by it. I still love him and lots of other people do to, and really you buy a doll its for yourself, not so that other people will like it right? ^_^

 

As an owner of....well crap....Three Dolls from Three less popular companies I feel I can step in and offer an opinion....and as a point of reference I own a Dollzone which some people do not prefer either for their sculpts, or the history of possible copying....I own an AoD which is usually lumped in the cheap dolls bracket and all that entails and I own an Elfdoll which is a company a lot of people have a problem with because of the companys behavior before becoming members only
-On the DOA boards where discussion and debates are the norm, do you feel that it is acceptable and safe to express dislike for a doll or doll company?

I think a lot of really smart answers have come up already. It is all about wording I think. It is safer to say I don't like X companies sculpts...where it is crossing a line to say Owner Y's doll from company X is ugly. But at the same time this community is so large someone is always going to be offended by something you say and it is just something people have to live with. I own a dollzone doll but If someone says Dollzone dolls are ugly I don't get offended. I think my dollzone is beautiful and that is really all that matters in the end it is what makes you happy and I think there are people who will always take offense to any comment made against a company they own from.

-Do you find that DOA members are overly sensitive to someone not liking their doll? Or do you totally understand the offended party and think people should only say good things on DOA about all dolls.

I think that there are people who are overly sensitive to comments. I know that the Chinese doll stigma is a huge sore for a lot of people and part of me understands why some topics are sensitive. I think that there are people who get offended way to easily but at the same time I think there are people on the other end of the spectrum who say things like All Chinese dolls are trash and genuinely believe that and that is offensive. I think there is a huge difference between saying something like I don't like this company because I prefer my dolls this way and their dolls are that way....but it is a completely different matter to discount an entire country of doll makers who have very different looks and sculpts. So there are people on both extremes but most of us I would say are along the middle

-Are you willing to admit that you don’t like a doll on the DOA board? I don’t mean in a thread where someone is showing off their particular doll. More like in a thread where people are discussing companies or aesthetics. It would be awkward to drop into someone’s thread just to tell them their doll was not to your liking wow.

Yeah not in a thread where someone is showing off their doll but in discussions over aesthetics I would feel comfortable expressing my preferences. And I am also comfortable enough to admit that I don't like most dollzone dolls...I own one and I know a lot of people who have them who have beautiful dolls and I love looking at pictures of them, and stalk some peoples dA's to see more pictures but I am not usually inspired by their sculpts and I have found the eyes of some sculpts to be a problem for me which is why I have a DZ dreaming sculpt who I completely adore.

-Would you mind if someone said they were not into a doll you happened to own? (please, I am not looking for examples of one weirdo telling you to your face that your doll was horrible, anyone would hate that!)

I had to really think on this one because I am very protective of my dolls. but I would have to say no if someone said they didn't like the AoD Qing sculpt I would not be offended by that. I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE MY AoD boy but I also know that the Qing is sold as a girl, and that my boy looks nothing like any of the other Qings out there and it is a sculpt preference that is fine. If instead someone said I don't like your AoD Qing of course I would be upset by that!

-Do you find that you can’t help but feel offended/attacked/defensive when someone does not approve of a doll you happen to own? If so why?

No I think as I and several others before me have said....if someone is attacking MY DOLL personally and not a sculpt or a company of course I am offended and defensive but if someone just doesn't like a company or a sculpt and has a reason for it other then a price, location complaint I couldn't care less there are companies I do not find appealing and sculpts I would never own and it is personal preference that I think everyone has a right too. And honestly if someone won't own a BBB just because they are inexpensive and have never really looked at the dolls it is their own loss because they have some cool sculpts and some amazing color choices.

-Have you ever thought that you over reacted in the forum to someone expressing dislike of a doll you happen to own? If so what was it that made you so mad?
No I think that it takes far too much energy to get up in arms about things like that. I think that some people like to enter a fight with both eyes closed and fists swinging. They have no idea who they are hurting and often times it is themselves.

-If you are someone who does get defensive do you feel totally justified when you are mad? If so why?

I don't usually get defensive I am too lazy

-If someone dislikes a doll you happen to own do you try to convince that person that the doll is beautiful! If so why?

Nah if someone doesn't like one of my dolls then we obviously like different things and chances are I won't like their dolls and I would not want them trying to tell me about why their doll is wonderful so I wouldn't bother them

 

-On the DOA boards where discussion and debates are the norm, do you feel that it is acceptable and safe to express dislike for a doll or doll company?
Yes, as long as it isn't trolling or purposefully rude.

-Do you find that DOA members are overly sensitive to someone not liking their doll? Or do you totally understand the offended party and think people should only say good things on DOA about all dolls.
If someone told them their doll was ugly, I can see why they would be upset. There's no reason to be rude. Yet, others shouldn't feel obligated to love and positively comment on everyone's doll either. If you like it, say so if you want. If you don't, tactfully say so if the owner wants your opinion. If they don't, keep it to yourself.

-Are you willing to admit that you don’t like a doll on the DOA board? I don’t mean in a thread where someone is showing off their particular doll. More like in a thread where people are discussing companies or aesthetics. It would be awkward to drop into someone’s thread just to tell them their doll was not to your liking wow.
Sure. Addressing the company and the dolls they tend to make isn't a personal attack on another poster. It's just your opinion about the dolls in general.

-Would you mind if someone said they were not into a doll you happened to own? (please, I am not looking for examples of one weirdo telling you to your face that your doll was horrible, anyone would hate that!)
Are they saying it to me when I haven't asked for their opinion? Otherwise, a comment about the sculpt in general isn't a big deal.

-Do you find that you can’t help but feel offended/attacked/defensive when someone does not approve of a doll you happen to own? If so why?
Depends on the context. Are they insulting my doll, or in general? Most people are going to be upset when they're insulted. If someone calls you ugly when you haven't asked for a critique on your appearance, it's insulting. Dolls can be an extension of the owners.

-Have you ever thought that you over reacted in the forum to someone expressing dislike of a doll you happen to own? If so what was it that made you so mad?
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-If you are someone who does get defensive do you feel totally justified when you are mad? If so why?
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-If someone dislikes a doll you happen to own do you try to convince that person that the doll is beautiful! If so why?
No. It's their opinion and they have a right to dislike any sculpt. We aren't all going to like the same dolls. Even if someone insults me personally regarding my dolls, I'm not going to bother trying to get the person to see why I like them.

 

thanks

Our brains are funny funny things I agree. It is so subjective what people like and what they don't like and I completely agree that price and popularity have no impact in that for most of us.

What I like the most about DoA is all the dolls so many different dolls even the same sculpt and they look completely different. I love seeing all the pictures and the discussions and there isn't one doll on this site that I HATE because even if the sculpt or the styling are not something i prefer you can see the love and care and pride that the owners have in their dolls and that is what I really like to see.

 

Oh I love my dolls (2 Cherish Faith size dolls, one Luts Honey Delf and another Luts HD on the way!) They are just perfect for ME and I am not offended in any way if someone doesn't like them. And isn't it wonderful that the BJD world has such a huge variety of dolls that there is something perfect for everyone so just remember that everybody doesn't like something but nobody doesn't like BJD's!

 

Actually, IMHO that's probably exactly why people get defensive. For the same reason that it'd sting more to have someone criticise your favourite outfit than to have them criticise your old clothes on laundry day. If it's an expression of your tastes and aesthetic values-- the way most of our dolls are-- then judging it is a roundabout judgment of your aesthetic choice. Even if that's not the purpose of their judgment, it still has that effect.

Certainly I think people should carry on expressing their own opinions, negative or not! I just think I see why people feel defensive when others' tastes don't accord with their own. If someone else likes something that you don't, you can quietly feel to yourself that your tastes are simply more exclusive than theirs. But if you like something and someone else thinks it's displeasing, might it not feel like their tastes are more refined? You might squirm, and think your tastes have been judged and found wanting.

Yes, absolutely. I would try to be polite about it by saying "this is not to my taste" rather than "objectively, this doll/mold/company sucks", and in my short time here it seems like most people do do that. I also recognise, though, that as stated above, people's choice of dolls are very conscious and deliberate expressions of their own personal judgment of aesthetics, and so it certainly isn't people's favourite thing to hear that others don't like their choices. But the purpose of a community is discussion and communication, and if someone is too thin-skinned to be able to handle polite aesthetic disagreement, the forum probably isn't for them, and they would probably be better off just doing their doll things in their own little world in their minds. (Which is a perfectly fine way to enjoy dolls!)

Yeah, I'd probably be willing to do that. I guess I wouldn't really do it unless I was making a useful or constructive point; I wouldn't post that I didn't like it just for that reason. But then, the only time I really post things without some constructive content is usually when I'm just praising something (because I know everyone likes to get a "wow, that's pretty" on their threads). So yes, if there were some reason to say in discussion that something wasn't to my taste, I would.

I would not mind hugely; I would remind myself that it was just their opinion. I would just try not to let their negative opinion make me think any less of my doll.

I don't feel that way if they dislike it for aesthetic reasons, but I do feel a little put out that every time I mention the dolls I want, people feel like they have to climb all over themselves to remind me that I don't have to get Volks dolls. I know that, but I like them. I'm neither elitist nor ignorant of alternatives, and I'm not telling others they shouldn't stick to the companies they like, so why do others do that to me? It's as if due to my choice of company, others assume my motives aren't just as pure as anyone else's for wanting what they like best.

No, I don't feel at all justified unless the other party has been rude. I think defensiveness is understandable, but also unreasonable considering the other person probably meant well. If someone did insult my dolls, I would want to take it gracefully. (Thankfully, the only negative things I've heard have been things that I agree with-- such as when my SO's doll had a terrible wig we were trying to replace already and didn't like ourselves.)

 

-On the DOA boards where discussion and debates are the norm, do you feel that it is acceptable and safe to express dislike for a doll or doll company?
Yeah because it's an opinion and if someone gets butthurt over it then they need to just learn to be mature and understand
that it's just an opinion not the end of the world. Who cares if someone thinks this company sucks or that doll is ugly.
It's not like someone is saying "oh my god you're doll is a mess and so ugly what did you do? why would you even bother buying from *so and so company* their dolls are so cheap whats wrong with you? wow you're sooooo stupid." thats not an opinion thats called being an a-hole and if someones says that who cares? What matters is if you like it. Though I have seen some dolls and have thought that in my head so I'm just a fat hypocrite.

-Do you find that DOA members are overly sensitive to someone not liking their doll? Or do you totally understand the offended party and think people should only say good things on DOA about all dolls.
Again with all the people who get butthurt so easily. LEARN TO TAKE OPINIONS. My god some people get so worked up because somebody thinks their doll is ugly or it's mold is ugly. Who cares and if you act immature and start a flame war back at the person then maybe you're embarrassed because you're doll IS ugly. ^^

-Are you willing to admit that you don’t like a doll on the DOA board? I don’t mean in a thread where someone is showing off their particular doll. More like in a thread where people are discussing companies or aesthetics. It would be awkward to drop into someone’s thread just to tell them their doll was not to your liking wow.
If I see a doll I think is completely ugly whether it's because I don't like the mold, ugly face-up, bad clothes, uneven eves, ugly wig I won't say anything because GOD KNOWS if they can take an opinion like you need to learn how to put wigs on right or how to put eyes in.

-Would you mind if someone said they were not into a doll you happened to own? (please, I am not looking for examples of one weirdo telling you to your face that your doll was horrible, anyone would hate that!)
I don't care if you think my doll is ugly. If you don't like it, cool.

-Do you find that you can’t help but feel offended/attacked/defensive when someone does not approve of a doll you happen to own? If so why?
loool I don't care.

-Have you ever thought that you over reacted in the forum to someone expressing dislike of a doll you happen to own? If so what was it that made you so mad?
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-If you are someone who does get defensive do you feel totally justified when you are mad? If so why?
I am not defensive over something like dolls.

-If someone dislikes a doll you happen to own do you try to convince that person that the doll is beautiful! If so why?
No, because I really don't care if you like it or not.

 

-On the DOA boards where discussion and debates are the norm, do you feel that it is acceptable and safe to express dislike for a doll or doll company?
Of course. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and when people express what they dislike about a doll company or doll, it kind of warns future buyers about possible flaws in the different molds.

-Do you find that DOA members are overly sensitive to someone not liking their doll? Or do you totally understand the offended party and think people should only say good things on DOA about all dolls.
I haven't noticed anyone being overly sensitive and still, everyone should speak their mind without being too harsh.

-Are you willing to admit that you don’t like a doll on the DOA board? I don’t mean in a thread where someone is showing off their particular doll. More like in a thread where people are discussing companies or aesthetics. It would be awkward to drop into someone’s thread just to tell them their doll was not to your liking wow.
I'll admit to it but, I didn't post on it. I might have said something to my sister about a certain mold that I disliked and it just so happened that she liked the mold. 0.o Everyone has different preferences.

-Would you mind if someone said they were not into a doll you happened to own? (please, I am not looking for examples of one weirdo telling you to your face that your doll was horrible, anyone would hate that!)
Not at all.

-Do you find that you can’t help but feel offended/attacked/defensive when someone does not approve of a doll you happen to own? If so why?
Not at all either. ^^ Unless they are very rude about it and don't drop the subject. Then I might step in. I don't like drama and try to avoid conflicts.

-Have you ever thought that you over reacted in the forum to someone expressing dislike of a doll you happen to own? If so what was it that made you so mad?
Nope

-If you are someone who does get defensive do you feel totally justified when you are mad? If so why?
I'm a lover, not a fighter!

-If someone dislikes a doll you happen to own do you try to convince that person that the doll is beautiful! If so why?
Nope! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. As long as I'm happy with my dolls, that's all that matters.

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If you do not love your dolls, for some time you can try to love her, and if it does not help, you shoule send her to someone else, and not pretend.

 

As a whole, I totally believe in "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all". I try to practice this in my everyday life and I also abide by this in my activity on forums. There are companies whose products I don't like, but I'm not going to go around and bash them and in the process hurt the feelings/cause waves in those people who do like the company's dolls. So many people these days just lack courtesy and the ability to filter their rude/impolite comments.

 

-On the DOA boards where discussion and debates are the norm, do you feel that it is acceptable and safe to express dislike for a doll or doll company?
yes, but of course, expressing your dislike in certain threads are more appropriate than others. nobody likes or dislikes the same things.

-Do you find that DOA members are overly sensitive to someone not liking their doll? Or do you totally understand the offended party and think people should only say good things on DOA about all dolls.
i do think that people can react a little less when others express their opinions on the mold of their dolls (not specifically THEIR dolls). delibrately saying only good things is just as dumb as only saying bad things. there's a mixture of both, and i think people should come to accept that. but again, if you delibrately go to the person's thread JUST to say bad things about the doll, that's really something that's inappropriate.

-Are you willing to admit that you don’t like a doll on the DOA board? I don’t mean in a thread where someone is showing off their particular doll. More like in a thread where people are discussing companies or aesthetics. It would be awkward to drop into someone’s thread just to tell them their doll was not to your liking wow.
yes. but generally i don't do that. it's not very nice to have someone tell you that they don't like your doll, and though i can accept it, i don't think it's nice to just tell people things like that.
-Would you mind if someone said they were not into a doll you happened to own? (please, I am not looking for examples of one weirdo telling you to your face that your doll was horrible, anyone would hate that!)
nope. i'll just use the cliche phrase: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. others are entitled to their own opinions. and besides, i do know some flaws that my doll has.

-Do you find that you can’t help but feel offended/attacked/defensive when someone does not approve of a doll you happen to own? If so why?
well, i think most people can't help but feel offended, and i'm one of those people. but i shrug it off, because they don't HAVE to think or feel the same way about my doll.

-Have you ever thought that you over reacted in the forum to someone expressing dislike of a doll you happen to own? If so what was it that made you so mad?
no such happenings so far. ^^

-If you are someone who does get defensive do you feel totally justified when you are mad? If so why?
i don't get defensive. but if i do, i won't feel TOTALLY justified after being defensive. or even somewhat justified, really.

-If someone dislikes a doll you happen to own do you try to convince that person that the doll is beautiful! If so why?
i don't convince, just state things i find beautiful about the doll.