Doll Nudity Warnings - Why?

My Toshiba lappy was LESS that either of my 70cm dolls and my desktop not much more than my Dollzone Yuu...

 

But what about internet access? Especially in very rural parts, it can be painfully difficult to get a decent internet connection, so going to a nearby library or cafe is the best bet.

I completely agree that seeing a nudity warning plastered all over a thread can be redundant when everyone who owns a doll has thus seen at least one nude doll, but at the very same time, there are enough people around (even if only a few people) that would find the nudity offensive. You have to remember that as collectors, we are all pretty desensitized to the whole thing. It doesn't make us bat an eyelash.

BJDs are highly realistic, and when seeing a glance of one in passing, people who aren't very farmiliar with them may jump to conclusions, and that can cause a great deal of trouble for someone, even if it's a misunderstanding.

That's why its neccesary to add warnings. It's more out of respect for others here who do care about it than it is for anything else.

 

Changing the goalposts, are we? Lack of internet access is slowly becoming an irrelevant and worthless argument, as availability and service is increasing. Analog modem, folks, if you can't do broadband.

If you have your own personal machine, no one is within any rights to tell you what you can or cannot have on it. And if it's not, abide by the rules if there are any. There is no reason to cater to someone else's lack of maturity. Capice?

 

Don't see many real men or women, do you?

A nub of plastic between the legs or a slit in the plastic is NOT a realistic portrayal of human genitalia.

But my original point still stands: the warnings exist solely to absolve the poster of guilt when naked pics can be moved from a place where they would be expected to another place, where they aren't expected AND no warnings were added to the original thread. Surprising one than one person when they opened their email and found dolly pubics hair and penis staring them in the eyes.

I respect that a person on someone or some companies machine will abide by that third parties rules. Thus if you shouldn't look at it at work DON'T! It's that simple, I refuse to be the ONLY mature, responsible person left in the US.

 

Depends on how it's blushed, and depends on the doll. There've been some pretty realistically blushed dolls posted in the past. And if someone walking behind you just happens to glance at your screen, it looks like a person. Even being in the hobby and knowing that they are just dolls, I've seen some photographs where the joints have been hidden or photoshopped out that look like they're real people.

The if you shouldn't look at it at work then DON'T part is the entire reason a lot of people want the warning. It's basically saying, "Hey, if you're at work, don't look at this thread!"

If you've finished your work or are on lunch break and you work in a place that allows you to browse the internet, then just browsing Den of Angels doesn't fall under "if you shouldn't look at it at work". If they have a policy on no porn, though, and someone walks by, happens to glance at what you're looking at, and sees a naked human-type form, what do you think they'll assume?

 

You shouldn't be using work resources to browse personal interest websites at all.

So it goes back to "I'm embarrased about what other people will think of me for my hobbies."

 

Not my problem. Take it up with the mod who moved my pics to a discussion thread. And you SHOUld be smart enough to realize that nudity is likely to show up in a thread with "pubic hair" in the title. Not to mention in the critique forum and galleries.

 

So, wait, my work says it's ok, but some random person on the internet has the authority to tell me it's not?

And no, I'm not embarrassed by my hobby. My neighbors all think I'm a freak because I bring my dolls out to photograph them. Hasn't stopped me yet. I don't, however, like people to think that I'm into looking at porn and breaking clearly stated rules at work.

Yeah, if something has "pubic hair" in the title, I don't click at work. I'm not stupid. But to avoid the entire gallery subsection because I might click on unlabeled nudity? Really??

 

Because that's called being a responsible adult... Oh wait sorry, I forgot those were all relocated to a reservation in the Artic for study.

Carry on..

 

I wasn't speaking for your workplace. I was speaking for my belief that there should be a strong and clear divide between work and play. But then, I care this much || about someone I dont' even know making paranoid and baseless assumptions.

Oh, and by the way, if you don't care what your neighbors think of your doll hobby, then why do you care if someone looks over your shoulder and sees a resin peen? Why is there a difference there?

 

I work on a school bus, my heart refuses to bleed for you poor individuals in your air conditioned offices that have to go OMG! a whole couple of hours with your internet...

Several years ago, we had trouble with animals on the buss. It was finally determined that people were treating their buses like second homes and had practically stocked a full larder on a couple of them. Threfore we were told "There will be no more food on the busses"

Our director said "People you are on that bus TWO hours at a time, if you can't go TWO hours without cramming your face, you should look for another job."

I have the same feeling about the internet, you are at a job, being paid to do that job, if you can't bear to not cruise DoA for that amount of time perhaps you should explore other job options.

 

I don't want to sound rude or combative or anything, but some of us do have jobs that permit us pretty much unfettered personal access to the internet (without being home-based). I recognize that I'm in the minority, but at the same time I just think it's nice to be considerate to everyone, you know? (No A/C though. I wish we had it; we had to close the store for a couple of days because it was actually too hot inside to work. But that's off-topic.)

Everyone's browsing circumstances are different; some of us can get on from work, some can't. Some can browse from home; some have to go to libraries or hot spots. Some people have uninterrupted access when they are online at home; some may have other people in the house who would object to seeing doll-related nudity (which has jack-all to do with whether or not the hobbyist is embarrassed as to what others would think of their hobby). I really don't see where a simple, courteous warning is grounds to get riled up. All it boils down to is keeping in mind that everyone's situation is a little different, and a warning in my mind is pretty much giving us a choice so we can avoid taking that choice away from others who might walk by and see the pictures.

 

The point is YOU are the one who has ultimate control. YOU are the one who decides to click on a link, regardless if it has a nudity warning or not. YOU make the decision, and YOU are the only one to blame in the end. There does not need to be a nudity warning, YOU make the choice to click on the link.

Some people would rather absolve themselves the responsibility, and expect that there will always be a warning. As we can see "always" is not always a given.

 

Bottom line, YOU chose to look there. I don't feel the need to hold your hand and insure that you never do something that could have potentially bad effects ie getting fired.

I do warn for nudity in my gallery posts and in my original critique thread I warned for nudity but those warnings were rendered moot when the posts were moved. Therfore I find the warning due to people at work tinged with more than a little bit of self righteousness and hypocrisy.

This is all I'm stating, go back to patting yourselves on the back for being "socially conscious" but leave me out.

 

Why not just put up the nudity warning because many people request it?

Why throw around accusations of immaturity or lazing off at work/in their lunch hour for making a request? It takes less energy to just respect that many appreciate the warning, without trying to find fault with this simple request.

My computer faces a window, I don't want my young neighbours or postman thinking I'm looking at nude children. They can think I'm looking at dolls, I really don't care, they can see the dolls themselves through the window. But on that small screen a nude doll could look rather odd.

But regardless of my reason for wanting a warning, I'm saddened that this simple request is met with such aggression. According to this thread I must be repressed or immature to request the warning. I'm not happy to be indirectly labelled a prude just for making a request.

In answer to the thread title: A smidgen of consideration for others.

I totally misunderstood your position, I thought you were saying earlier never to use nudity warnings...But you say here you do. Do you mind clarifying what you are against here? You can PM me if you're trying to leave the debate.

 

Aren't most open wifi points in public places? If someone buys a notebook to browse the DoA gallery and has to use a public wifi point, there is still a need for a nudity warning. If there are other people in the cafe/mc donnalds/other wifi point you're using, and a picture of something that resembles a nude human pops up on your screen, they probably won't be too happy.

I don't know why people are getting so angry about this, it's just common courtesy. And, it's in the gallery rules;

I usually browse the gallery to see pictures of cute dolls in cute clothes. I don't want to see naked dolls, so I don't click threads that have 'nudity' in the title. It annoys me a bit when I open a thread to see a naked doll without a warning, even in my own room.

 

That's sort of my point, though -- if there IS a warning, I can make the choice to NOT click on the link.

I don't think I'm being self-righteous or trying to somehow avoid responsibility, nor do I think it's an issue of 'social consciousness'. I especially don't need my hand held; I think I'm old enough to take care of myself by now. I also think that it's just...polite. That's all. Politeness isn't self-righteousness or some form of political correctness. It's just politeness.

I'm really dismayed to be accused of hypocrisy, self-righteousness, and 'patting myself on the back' just for asking for a little bit of consideration.

 

This this this this! I forgot to put that in my post, but that's exactly what the warnings are for! If a post title has 'nudity' in it, I can then choose whether I want to click it or not. It's crazy to avoid the gallery all together just because there may be a chance that someone posts nudity in their thread; if you just put the warning, people can make the choice.

 

I can see what you're getting at with this, but saying it the way you did seems kinda harsh. Maybe someone just doesn't want to buy their own computer? I know plenty of students at my college who don't have laptops and would rather spend their money on other things, simply because the computers here at the school are so good and the labs are open to all students 24/7. So a lot of kids can't justify buying a laptop until they leave here, and I can see their point.

It doesn't matter how much money a person has, it's what they choose to buy with it. For example, I can afford a car, but right now, I just don't want one. If I need to leave campus I hitch a ride and offer to pay for gas. *shrugs*

But yeah, to the original topic...I don't think a lot of doll people are "offended" by dolly nudity [especially if it's just say, ohhh, a box-opening] but still, others who happen to glance over their shoulder might be. The nudity warning I just think is a common courtesy for those people who are using public computers, or a computer in a crowded area where someone might be offended by nude, anatomically correct dolls.

 

I'm sorry, why are we back to square one again? WHY IS THIS EVEN AN ISSUE? Forget this delicate little discussion of other people's work policies, there are people in THIS HOBBY who dislike doll nudity and anatomical correctness. Search up this forum, you'll find at least ONE thread that is questioning the necessity of sculpting the venereal parts on a doll body, and people who certainly dislike that aspect of dolls, collect asexual dolls, and do not wish to get a faceful of dollsack unwarned. Now, as much as I disagree with their point of view - I don't care if there's one or a thousand of them here; respecting other people's opinions is a polite and courteous thing to do, and frankly I've yet to see one reason why it shouldn't be done.

Also, some of us are indeed "privileged" enough to own a mobile device with wireless internet anywhere, any time. What a surprise, we like to actually use that ingenious little function to kill a little time here and there. Is anyone going to tell me I should refrain from using my iPhone/Blackberry/Etc to browse websites while waiting in a two-hour line to submit some documents? See, I'm going to quote a statement someone made earlier that unfortunately went unnoticed, but the fact that you think people shouldn't look at doll websites in public means yes, you do believe there is something that needs to be hidden.

As far as I'm concerned, nudity warnings are pretty much a universal policy on websites that allow for a wide variety of topics, countries, and ages that attempt to remain family-friendly. Typing FOUR letters "N" "S" "F" and "W" has not harmed me yet. (Though I've had to do it mostly for drawings, not dolls, seeing how mine are little kids. Hey, you can even lose a letter there and just type NWS). If it does somehow injure you, I dare say you may have problems just a little bit more urgent than the issue at hand.

As for my personal opinion - yeah, I think being a grown woman heading into the medical field and still playing dress-up with giant, expensive, anatomically-correct plastic dolls is nothing to be proud of. I like my dolls, but I am uninterested in telling most people about them, and entirely uninterested in explaining pathetic-looking doll genitalia. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a prude by any means, but frankly tiny plastic penises are not on my list of interests or things I need to see. I want them there for character's sake, but other than that - if I wanted to see nudity I'd go to the appropriate places.