Doll Nudity Warnings - Why?

Personally, I have no issue at all with doll nudity (or real people nudity), and I take nude shots of my dolls now and then. I think it's pretty harmless, and I have seen some nude doll shots that have been absolutely wonderful. It's just not something that appeals to everyone, though, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

My personal view is that if the poster knows there is a chance that a picture might upset or offend some of the people who are likely to view it, then they should post a warning.

This is a very general view of mine, not limited to dolls or even to pictures. So, for example, if someone has a personal blog they share with their friends and they like to write poetry about decomposing bodies, and they know that one of their friends who reads the blog is very squeemish.... it would just be polite to put the poem behind a cut and put a little warning in for that person to not read it.

And I feel the same should be true even if you don't know all the people who might potentially see what you are posting. On a forum like DoA it's a rule to put a warning in the title of a thread that involves doll nudity, but if it wasn't, the forum is still PG-13 rated so it would make sense to put a warning in anyway, to let people know that these particular pictures might be more in the 'parental guidance' side of things. That way, people can make a choice to see the pictures, rather than being ambushed by naked doll bits unexpectedly.


(Also, just as an aside and after reading this thread, I almost feel like some people don't want to put in nudity tags becuase they actually like the idea of offending people, and causing a big reaction. Not a lot of people, but one or two. And I find that rather worrying.)

 

Well, I posted a body comparison thread on a doll forum one time and apparently one of the dolly people got offended even though it was nothing sexual(and I had the proper warnings in the title). Anyway, most of the pix got pulled not just from the thread, but from photobucket! It had to have been someone actually going through my pix because they weren't even on the first page!

I hate people like that. So some dolls have nipples, get over it it's a body part! It's not like any of my dolls have genitalia. I think it's stupid that someone in a doll hobby who knows that most of the dolls at least come with nipples would get offended by body comparison shots!

 

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Now, this is something I take real issue with. If a warning says 'nudity', and someone clicks on it and is offended, then that is out of line. If the warning says 'gore' and someone clicks on it, and freaks out becuase of all the gore, then that is out of line too.

I do beleive that it is polite to post warnings, just like I said in my post. But ignoring warnings and then complaining about it is a whole other kind of rude, IMO.

(And I'm sorry that happened to you, Wolfmammy- something similar happened to me once, and it was very annoying.)

 

I'm mostly okay with it, now. It was just so surprising because I had thought that being doll people no one would even flinch at it! We all know that these dolls come somewhat anatomical. I know I'm not the only one, now.

 

OMFG IT'S A NEKKID PERSON!

You folks can talk until you are blue in the face about "how could someone mistake it for a real human" but I cannot even begin to tell you the number of times that non-doll people have mistaken some doll pics for a human. One friend of mine wanted to get the "girl's" phone number.

You can be FIRED from US companies for accessing "inappropriate" material even on your lunch hour and from your personal laptop/netbook if you are using the company net.

Co-workers can report you under the "sexual harassment" umbrella.

And you can try and talk to THEM until you are blue in the face about it "only being a doll" and do you know what you will get then?

"Is that some kind of sex doll? Like those pervs in Japan have for girlfriends?"

Let me tell you, that will be even harder to deal with than the accusation that you were looking at "normal pron."

So let me ask you all this, do YOU want to be the one responsible for a person:

Getting fired or reprimanded or put on probationary notice at the job?

Banned from the public library?

In trouble with parents or the parents of siblings' friends because the kids got a glimpse of bewbie?

Come on, it takes less than thirty seconds to put the notice up, and you might be saving someone else a world of hassle.

You might not like the attitude towards nekkidility, but your feelings don't change the fact that said attitude exists, and YOUR post could be responsible for someone else getting in trouble without the warning.

 

Photobucket has specific rules about their content, and nude pictures, whether or not they contain sexual content, are just not permitted. A lot of this has to do with reputation, getting advertisements on their site, and making money more than anything else; the service they offer is not cheap by any means.

There are plenty of free-sites out there that won't delete any potentially offensive pictures, such as imageshack.us.

 

Did you even bother to read her post? That isn't the issue nor the reason for wha she's talking about

 

I know that, it's quite obvious thats what they meant but again it didn't really relate to the topic, so bringing it up is just, well, dumb in my opinion. It didn't add anything to the topic nor did it even comment at all about her issue.

Yeah yeah, this post and my other isn't exactally on topic either if you think about it, but thats beside the point!

 

There are some people who consider dolls as creatures not hobby toys. THey do believe in soul and personality. Basically human beings.

 

Look Kiyakotari, stop me if I'm being rude but I've been using PB since just a short while after it came out. And they as slack as hell when it comes to actually removing photos against the TOS. It's not just my experiences I'm basing this on but rougly atleast 15 of my online friends and a few RL that I know use the service too. They only way anyone I've known has had stuff get taken down is via reportion. The actual chances of PB staff coming across said pictures and actually takinjg action are slim to none in my and others experiences.

Oh god, I'm so off topic

 

Hmm, maybe you're right then. We must just be lucky as weird and unlikely as that must be with the number of us but still. Or maybe on the flipside, your guys could just be unlucky!

But uhh, about this part of your message:

See, from my experience when one image gets reported, the account as a whole seems to get checked too. Like I suppose reporting one image gives them reason to check the rest of the album, and if need be, the account. So reporting just a few images or hell even just one from someone could result in images not even being posted being removed too simply by association.

 

Well I guess all we can get from this is Photobucket is inconsistent as hell!

 

Lord Gig, I think you and your friends are a lucky minority who can use photobucket without fearing your pics will be deleted. I actually gave up photobucket because photos kept disappearing and they weren't particularly breaching the ToS!

I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with the topic at hand, particularly as it doesn't matter what we think as hobbyists if a 'civilian' happens to walk past and see dolly nudity on our computer screen. It may even harm your attempt to straighten things out with the other person if you insist that the doll is not just a doll and that it has a soul. In a small hobby like this, we're all ambassadors for each other and one bizarre or uncomfortable experience with BJDs can turn people off the hobby or even make them hostile, so, while you shouldn't change yourself to suit other people, sometimes being too specific can do more harm than good.

Anyways, back on to the topic...I still think gallery warnings are valuable, there are some things I look for and some things I don't and I don't really want to be blindsided by a series of pictures on a topic that doesn't particularly interest me or isn't appropriate for the setting I'm in, however I do think that when someone is asking for comparison pictures or opening their doll for the very first time, it is common sense that the dolls therein will be nude.

I think a little bit of give and take is needed here; we all know dolls arrive nude, and we all know that if someone is asking for a comparison of a Soom Super Gem girl with an SD17 Volks boy, they'll be wanting to see the height comparison and aesthetic comparison - most likely these shots will also be nude, so perhaps people might want to avoid these areas of the forum when using the internet in public?

This is a 13+ forum, so the content should be universally acceptable to view, however, if you're posting a photoshoot that you wouldn't be comfortable with a 13-year-old relative seeing, perhaps you should include a content warning.

 

What I'm curious about is why you don't approve of the tags. DoA isn't saying you can't have nudity posted; that would be infringing on your right to express yourself freely through dollies. All that is being asked is that you post a tag to warn people that there is the potential that there is something here they might not want to see. For example, what if said viewer had been sexually abused and there was a nudity of a 60cm doll with a 45cm doll which triggers something in their subconcious that suddenly brings back floods of horrible memories? Yes, this is probably an unlikely scenario but it's a case where simple consideration of the community's feelings could have prevented a person some serious emotional distress. It's just a fact that as a community, we have to work together to protect our own and this is a very, very small thing to do that can prevent a lot of more serious happenings - emotional distress, trouble at work, disgust enough to drive someone away from the hobby. I am all for doing whatever you want with dollies, be it something involving nudity, drugs, gore, torture, love, sex, etc etc etc, but I am also for taking the feelings of others into consideration since there is a huge wall between the person clicking and the subject matter they're about to be exposed to - they have no idea what they're about to get into whereas when you go to a museum, you KNOW you're going to see paintings and/or sculptures of the nude form. You're unlikely to see something like a self-mutilated girl shooting up drugs (which is very possible [even likely] with dolls!) at an art museum so the warning is sort of understood - "Nude human forms here" - but in the doll world, the scope of things to be seen are SO wide that the warnings are just a consideration that can make a big difference.

So anyway. Tldr; I am all for free expression with dolls in whatever form you choose, but I feel it's not infringing on free expression nor is it a big thing to ask to tag your photos with whatever they might contain because it could spare hurting someone else's feelings. This is a community and people in communities look out for each other.

 

I still use it, but I've had pictures removed before in the past as well.

Back on the main topic, it comes down to respect for others. While it may not offend some, it's the polite thing to do for all the reasons given before (work, school, personal trauma, young people around, etc) and not too trouble to do.

 

i figured that this is the main reason why people do that. and i know that there are times when i just want to go through the pictures people post of their dolls, and sometimes i am like omg i didn't do it and have to minimize the screen cause i don't want to offend anyone.

these days though i don't care much. i can understand the whole thing about kids though. personally i think its silly cause god forbid children should see themselves naked, but at the same time the parents should be able to keep doll art/ nudity from their children if they feel it is inappropriate.