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Dollshe Orijean & DSAM 35s body release

Jan 17, 2009

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    1. I sure hope not. These things are awful looking. I don't care how 'posable' they are supposed to be, it looks unwieldy, out of proportion and anorexic.

      No more dolls for me if this is what I had to pick from. :...(
       
      #61 sgtgeorgecarter, Jan 18, 2009
    2. I don't like the way the body looks, but after reading about how it will pose better and all that, I may end up getting a new Dollshe boy once the others are released. I wanted a Bernard and Hound so we'll see what happens. I already decided on another doll for the character I was going to use my Bernard for...mainly because he's a fan of revealing clothes and I don't like the body enough to reveal it very often. XD

      I can't wait to see the new boys with faceups and clothes. And I'm looking forward to seeing how these guys pose!
       
      #62 shou-kun, Jan 18, 2009
    3. I really adore my simple ball jointed dolls like my SD13s and my Hypermaniac, I find them easier to hold and more comforting somehow but I like dynamic dolls too. And it's not like all dolls are going to pick up his new system, it's just this one.

      My guess is that Dollshe is making sure that his jointing work is so new and groundbreaking that if anyone dares to copy his work it will be obvious- no ifs, ands or buts. I think the copying issue is really at the heart of this whole change.
       
      #63 idrisfynn, Jan 18, 2009
    4. I might be one of the only people who like these new sculpts. I just don't see me doing anything with Orijean, so I can't wait to see the others. And the skin tones are simply fantastic! But I wonder why you can buy the parts seperately when they can't be used as hybrids really...?
       
      #64 karma_kannibal, Jan 18, 2009
    5. Wow. That body has pretty much killed any desire I had for a Dollshe boy...frankly, it's ugly. It's looks insectile, bug-like. The faces have potential, but there's just too much going on with the body and it doesn't look human. No thanks. I'll hold out for secondhand Bermann (yeah, right ;) )
       
      #65 Krissy, Jan 18, 2009
    6. Posing better- thats the whole idea right? I have yet to see this doll do any posing of any kind. Its just standing there in all the pics. What do all those joints do? How exactly does he look when posed? I can read those descriptions for days, but I dont care about what any of it says. Prove to me that this thing can actualy pose like they say it does.

      BTW, Has any one counted the number of ribs on this thing? I think it has too many LOL
       
      #66 GenGen, Jan 18, 2009
    7. You're right, in the last few short days we've really known about this doll there haven't been any picture like this. Shame. :roll:

      As they've been posting new pictures of him almost every day, my guess is that with some patience we'll see them. Unless you have your credit card in hand and are just waiting to see the mobility pictures before you buy the doll I don't know what the hurry is. I know several people have already purchased him, maybe with luck we'll see some owner photos very soon.
       
      #67 idrisfynn, Jan 18, 2009
    8. No credit card, just intense curiosity. Whenever a doll comes out with a new joint system I'm always desperatly fascinated to see how it works.
       
      #68 GenGen, Jan 18, 2009
    9. I am facing the same problem, since yesterday the pages have refused to load for me, and it just keeps going to 'page cannot be found' *_* Zag posted the explanation from Mr.Dollshe, but would anyone be kind enough to save the pictures and post here for those of us who can't see them?
       
      #69 blackpaperbag, Jan 18, 2009
    10. Actually, given that the "ribs" cut off just below the arms, I think he was sculpting an extremely exaggerated Serratus Anterior muscle. I'd noticed previously that my Hound's "ribs" were actually Serratus Anterior ridges.

      This body has some attention paid to muscle placement (especially in the torso--things are exaggerated and lengthened but in roughly the right places), but the proportions are off--his legs are too long, both in proportion to his arms and in proportion to his body as a whole. As any artist knows, your legs should take up half of your body length unless you have certain rare bone growth disorders. Orijean's torso, neck, and head combined are only three-quarters the length of his legs. Thinking this might be a stylistic thing with DollShes that I hadn't noticed in person, I got my Hound to humor me and stand still while I attacked him with a tape measure. His legs are about 3cm longer than his upper body--a 10% difference instead of a 25% difference and apparently not enough to trigger an Uncanny Valley-esque effect. The extra 4cm of height added to the new Dollshes seems to have been entirely in the legs. :sweat

      The new DollShes are currently not to my taste, but I'm willing to watch and see what goes on, especially with the DollShe girls (I've always wanted an Afghana).
       
      #70 Filovirus, Jan 18, 2009
    11. ok i'll have to say it because no one will. Everyone who has or want's the first run of the dollshe doll's loved how beautiful they r nude or dressed up they look more real . And now to the 2nd gen body's is so diffrent it is just to drastic of a change. and yes there is to many rib's and the abb's r so un real looking and from the pic's the leg's look bow leged. but from an artiest point of view rock on.

      the thing is that the body'd r so diffrent you eather love the old body or you love the new. as for me i'll put up a w.t.b for the old hound well to all on here hope u all find the dollshe that u love and want
       
      #71 PICTUS01, Jan 18, 2009
    12. You know, while I certainly agree that the doll is not anatomically realistisch(or even right), that he's out of proportion and all that..somehow it doesn't bother me. Then again, I'm also fan of the Rosettedolls XDD I think it's because with both dolls, the unrealisticness is consistent in the whole doll, it bothers me less to see this doll than let's say, a doll with a very muscular torso and very skinny arms. He's unrealistic, too thin, too stylized, too 'bug' like..but every part of him is and that makes him a whole doll that I can at least say 'Okay, I see where you're going with this' about instead of just being confused.

      I hope he comes with Rosen soon, expecially now that there's a pale tan..
       
      #72 Raouken, Jan 18, 2009
    13. blackpaperbag: All the current pictures (and more...actually :sweat) are up here in this thread: http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267893


      I had a dream this night about Orijean^^ He had a faceup and looked awesome. It was a kinda natural, little bit smoky faceup and he was beautiful with it :lol:
       
      #73 Smaug, Jan 18, 2009
    14. I wish the new body doesn't have the face-plate system, it's not to my taste. I suppose buying just 'head' means face-plate right? Then there's no hope of plunking the new heads (I want a Saint) on another body :(.
       
      #74 Hydra Kitten, Jan 18, 2009
    15. Ah... thanks so much! :)

      Wow, they certainly are different. I'd love to see the various poses they can accomplish, though I have to admit I might not want to leave him shirtless if I ever got one... I feel as though the sculpting is a little too harsh for my taste, I prefer subtler, more natural muscles... haha the first thing I thought of when I saw the full nude body was 'teenage mutant ninja turtles'! :sweat
       
      #75 blackpaperbag, Jan 18, 2009
    16. the new pictures are even worse...making the doll pose so naturaly with such an un natural look.....there had to be a way of not having those obvious exsternal ribs.....i love that conga line skin tone pic's its kinda cute :3
       
      #76 emel, Jan 18, 2009
    17. When I first saw the pictures a few days ago, I really honestly thought Dollshe's intent was to make a space alien. I was so surprised to read otherwise! My plans to reshell my Bernard are certainly on hold for now. I find it ironic that a doll meant to look good in jeans would look better in a full bodysuit. ^^;

      But personal hopes aside, I think Orijean is an interesting piece and important development in Dollshe's style. It seems to me though to be a transitional doll. He has, presumably, worked a technical marvel in this one; I would expect the next doll to be a return to an emphasis on the whole rather than the parts. This body looks at once overproduced and unfinished, refined to the point of sterility. It's proof that an idea taken it its logical conclusion (more complex joints -> better posing = good) is not always logical after all. The complex production required to assemble the myriad puzzle pieces seems unsustainable in a non-limited commercial product. But I have mixed feelings about it because I do find the body charming in its own way, with its purposeful mechanisms and contrapposto balance.

      In the end, I'm wondering if Dollshe will be hurt by the trends he helped create. I don't mean the Dollmore issue, but that his dolls helped popularize the 70cm size. He's been out of the game for how long? A year? And now there are quite a few dolls in that scale that are not rip-offs but that do cash in on the popularity of that type, fueled perhaps by the void of Dollshe's absence. Other companies have made innovations to posing too, like darkmothflame said. This doll is being released in an uncommon size amongst stiff competition during a recession, so I'm curious to see how it does, and I find myself rooting for Dollshe and his new creation even if I have no intention of buying it myself.

      Anyway, sorry for the ramble! ^^;
       
      #77 Dezarii, Jan 18, 2009
    18. um, have you guys seen the new photos of Orijean posing on the Dollstown website? he looks even more freaky if you ask me. although i "do" fine the engineering astonishing, IRL i don't like the look of him. i do not find him aesthetically pleasing. the joints all kind of splay out fanlike making him look even more "bug" like. i can certainly appreciate what Mr. Dollshee is accomplishing with his innovative design, but he just doesn't look human at all. perhaps when i see owner's photos of him with face up and clothing i will "eat my words", we may all be surprised.
       
      #78 Miss Ally, Jan 18, 2009
    19. You know I really like the posing...I don't know if its all that innovative, but I do like it. That said it looks totally unnatural with the harsh lines of the body itself, and even if this is a matter of substance over style, aesthetically he's just not the Dollshe that I always wanted. Again I still want him, and with the Saint head I will buy him, but awesome poses or not he's just not the same beautiful Dollshe boy. I'll wait and see what he looks like with clothes and a faceup, but until then I have to admit I expected better.
       
      #79 isildae, Jan 18, 2009
    20. Oddly enough there is another doll with a torso jointed a bit like that, it's by Japanese artist Ariadne. Only 27cm though, but the torso posing seems to be about the same. I wonder how much the segment bumps would show under clothes though.
       
      #80 Dezarii, Jan 18, 2009
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