Dolly Cross-Dressing

Actually, Shuichi from Gravitation makes me with a little and for good measure.

Of all the skirt boys on the forum, I can think of only one that I like, and he's not in a skirt all the time. I usually think that most people who have skirt boys would be better off getting a girl doll, especially if said skirt boy is on a girl body.

I mean, it looks like a girl, acts like a girl, has hips and wears skirts... but it's a boy. Sorry, but DOES NOT COMPUTE.

As for gay dolls, half of my dolls will end up gay or bisexual, and for most of them, it is part of their character. No more, no less. It just happens that they ended up with guys rather then girls.

 

I have also been asking myself the same question
I just don't get the appeal, if that makes sence.
You buy a boy, dress him up as a girl,dresses,longlong hair,skirts,cute makeup...why not just either buy a girl, or buy the head and pop it on a girl body
I have no boy dolls, and don't particularly plan for any. And if I did get one, I wouldnt dress him up as a little girl.
*Wonders if Jefree Star is everyones idol

 

Because it's not the same thing and the effect isn't the same. I have a cross dressing boy, but later still wanted girls to dress up. I don't know how else to put it, except that it is different. I would also add that girls and boys are not usually built the same. Even a slender boy with a feminine face will still look different from most girls.

 

This has been rehashed a billion and one times so I'll ignore the usual basic points and point out something:

"Why 80% of male Luts dolls get put into dresses?" The logic of this is very, very simple. A lot of Luts' males look very much like females. Therefore, a person looking for a girly boy/crossdresser is very likely to go for a CP doll. Simple as that. The only way we'll see less Luts' boys in girly clothing is for Luts to come out with even manlier dolls.

I can no longer classify myself as a real yaoi fangirl...but I still find this response so very odd. The majority of yaoi fangirls whom I knew, and slash fans whom I know, have never used that as a reason for why they like gay couplings.

The response to 'why do you like yaoi' from a guy is very easily answered with, 'the same reason why you like to see two lesbians kissing.' When I asked my guy friends why lesbian porn is so much more attractive (honestly, I knew the answer already since hey, girls are pretty attractive to me too), they said, "More girls, more boobs. How can that be bad?" There we go. Reverse the gender and the body parts, apply the same reasoning, and we have the answer for the popularity of yaoi among girls.

Of course, if we're purely talking about yaoi instead of boy dolls in girl clothing, then it's more complicated than that, but let's leave it as it is before off-topic runs rampant.

 

nadiaff So very well said! *bows*
I don't think anyone could explain it in a better way. ^_^

I don't want manly dolls! D8
And I'm happy with my girly looking luts doll although it's such a common thing to do.

If I had a SD girl she would be horrible in manners and maybe act a bit like a boy would do. Though she still would be sexy and no frilly dresses for her!

I guess I like to mix things up. I don't want a man doll who is like a stereotype man or a girl doll who is like a stereotype girl.

 

I do my doc kirill cross-dressing all the time.
Before I received him home, I also cross-dressing DM Kara Klum.
I don't think there is anything wrong to cross-dressing your doll since dolls are all more closer to natural sex appearance. (like an Angel)
Of course it is nothing wrong with posting cross-dressing pictures, but I guess you better address crossing-dressing in the title bar just in case some people may not like to see cross-dressing of your doll.

 

Personally, I really don't like boy dolls dressed as girls when they give them girly makeup, hair and outfits all the time, I just don't see the point. There's a UK BJD-er who hasa hound I think as she dresses him in a dress sometimes but he still looks like a boy, just dressed a girl- and I think that is okay, it's quite cute really, but I don't like boy dolls that you can only tell are boys cus they have flat chests. It's a bit weird, and pointless as well. Just buy a girl doll. I'm not really into the whole shash/yaoi thing either, I don't find it particuarly erotic, even if it does mean I have more male parts to look at lol!

I have my own theories as to why there are many fangirls into yaoi, but I don't think it's the rigt place for me to voice them and it may be controversial.

Saying that, I LOVE boys in eyeliner it's the 80's goth in me

Back OT, I think if you want to cross dress you doll then that is completely up to you and I have absolutely nothing against it. I'll be happy to look at it, enjoy the photostories etc, but it's not for me personally.

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a] is it unethical/wrong to picture "underage" (that means 21 for me) dolls cross-dressing?
I don't believe it's wrong. Granted, I personally don't like dolls that are boys with extremely girly face-ups but I wouldn't say anything about the doll and I mean...it's their doll not mine ^^; Plus,one of my future dolls will be a boy that likes to dress in skirts and stuff simply because he finds them fun and not as restricting as pants.

b] when cross dressing how far does one go? Does one leave it to feminine clothing/face-up? or does one go all the way?
Hm,personally for myself I 'm fine with just wearing girly clothing on boys,I wouldn't go all out but still if someone wants their doll to be a boy that looks identical to a girl,by all means do it. It's your doll,your character! Do what makes you (or your doll x3) happy.

c] Is it wrong to post pictures of your cross-dressers?
I don't see how it would be wrong....If that's how they dress then that's all

 

I knew someone would point this out. There has to be some force driving the incessant questions on these issues.
anyway, whatever one does with their doll in the privacy of their bedroom or home is no one's business. If you get the camera out with the intent of sharing...that is when things get complicated.
I would suggest just post your questionable pictures and you should quickly receive some moral guidance

 

I've always found that argument somewhat misleading, since a majority of BL fans only like seeing the manga/doujin of male relationships and are not comfortable/disgusted at seeing real men together. Now, this is just what I've seen in various BL communities around the web, so granted, its not a scientific fact. Whereas yuri/hentai fans are fans of any depiction of females, be it animated or live action.


Not back to the topic:

I don't care either way how a person dresses their doll. It's their character to do with as they please. What irks me, is when the owner gets their boy, puts him in a dress, and then gets outraged when someone confuses him with a girl. It's those few that have me mind boggled at the trend of (male) crossdressing. In those cases, I sort of wanna just thwap the owner over the head and say, "C'mon now, what did you expect?"

 

Okay. Time to bust some balloons.
'Sorry if this offends anyone's deeply held convictions or shatters their sense of reality, but it needs to be said.

NOT EVERY OWNER WHO HAS "PRETTY" BOY DOLLS IS A YAOI FAN.

Also...

NOT EVERY "PRETTY" BOY DOLL OUT THERE IS AN AVATAR FOR A GAY CHARACTER.

There are plenty of us around who buy pretty male sculpts simply because we like the type. Bishonen fanciers aren't exactly a rare breed, and liking sculpts in that style doesn't necessarily mean we're into fanciful homosexual relationship-porn.

Picking a bishonen sculpt also doesn't automatically translate into wanting a character that's gayer than a parade. A guy can be pretty without being fabulous, just like a girl can be a tomboy without being a lesbian.

Personally, I'm really getting weary of the assumption that just because I have, say, an El, he has to be a gay cross-dresser and I have to be interested in 'shipping him with one of my Shiwoos... who's apparently also required to be some kind of fluffy little skirtboy, just because "everyone knows" that all Shiwoos are.

Come on, people. The whole point of these dolls is that they can be anything you want them to be. If you WANT to do the yaoi thing, have at it. If you want *your* Shiwoo to be a pink and sparkly uke-boy, that's fine. But please... for the love of all that's holy, DON'T assume that that's some kind of universal state or that every single other owner out there is interested in doing the same thing.

 

I agree. It's not that I don't get along with ALL girls well, it's just that I really don't understand the idea of "omggggg liek, let's spend liek...100$ on a pair of shoes!" it just makes me go I understand it brings them joy but...I really don't understand why ^^; So therefore a LOT of my characters are male and gay. It's not that I feel threatened by the presence of a female character but like botflybaby said I always classify them under some category because it seems the female characters in everything are made more for the enjoyment of men rather than women.

Also, for some reason every time I see a male character I always think "wouldn't it be cute/funny if he dressed up like a girl? Kyaaaaa!" I have no clue why other than maybe it's because guys always dress girls up sexily and so I like to dress up guys how I like to see them ^^ Though I have a bunch of characters who would never dream of wearing a dress ha ha

 

I second this. Most of these dolls are rather 'pretty' so they are in a skirt with barrettes and ribbons in their hair and suddenly its offensive that people think the doll is a girl. What exactly was the response you were going for?

My boy I have now doesn't wear dresses, but I understand he is 'pretty' and not really a manly mold. If people say 'she' I correct them *the end*. You don't have to get all bent out of shape at a mistake someone who doesn't know any better made. I plan to have a boy who dresses in cute bright clothes with barrettes in his hair, but I'm not going to be shocked when people think he's a girl. Sterotypes in life cause people to automatically assume cute/dress = girl and also doll = girl.

That said I have nothing wrong with crossdressing dolls or against gay dolls (or people for that matter). I have the mindset of that I don't see anything wrong with guys in skirts. Its like why can girls wear pants, but not the other way? But that's a whole other discussion.

I also personally LIKE CUTE THINGS. I don't like watching guys working out in the gym getting all sweaty. I like the nerdy guy sitting on the floor in the comic section of the book store. I'm very tomboyish and I don't like wearing dresses so I kinda am attracted to the androgynous boy that quite possibly looks better in a dress. heh.

What I would like to know is.....What exactly is the problem so many people has with the girly/gay boys? So many of the boy molds are 'pretty' so naturally it will lend to the people who prefer the cuter boys. Why is it such a big deal and cause for concern and so much discussion? If you don't like the girly boys you don't have to make yours girly, but why can't other people do that if they want? If they want a boy in a skirt so be it. To them a girl will not fit the idea they have. Its a personal preference, but its not really bothering anyone is it?

Now wait! I know its not just the people against the girly and gay dolls, at the same time the folks with such dolls need to relax and let live. A cute boy doll doesn't mean its gay and a gay doll doesn't mean their into the orgies and everything has to be yaoi. I have a bi doll with a boyfriend, but he is shy. He's not really interested in hooking up with anyone else for any length of time and I'm planning a cute straight boy. Everyone just needs to breath and stop jumping to conclusions and assumptions and play nice.

I'll go be quiet now >_>;;

 

Ah, my explanation was definitely too simplified. A more detailed explanation (other than because girls don't like competition) would be the emotional aspect, the highly unlikely romanticism, the empathizing with the characters without feeling any lesser, etc. What I said previously would probably better be used for explanation of the slash fandom (which I'm more familiar with) and recent modern yaoi manga.

You know, this doesn't get said enough. It seems inevitable these days if you have a pretty boy, it immediately equates to yaoi. So, QFEx100.

 

I never said that ALL yaoi was drag.. You assumed I did. I was simply stating that some people do take it a bit far, just like some people in real life..

 

I don't know, if you want your boy dolls wear skirts and dresses, who's gonna stop you? A couple of dolls in the galleries/photostories come to mind, and at least I thought one of them looked cute, mainly because of his personality (and that he doesn't wear such clothes all the time).

But in general, seeing for the 564th time an El wearing a dress, just makes me hit the "back" button and go to another post. Not my thing, and something I wouldn't do with my resin boys, but I respect whoever does that.

About the yaoi thing, I like reading yaoi and shounen-ai (at least some of them), and despite owning quite a few boy dolls, not a single one of them is gay, despite their "pretty boy" looks. It's all personal preference about your own characters, but being into yaoi doesn't automatically make you a "gay dolls" owner.

 

im part of the girl who owns girls minority XD nor to boys interest me. i think its all about connections. im bad at explaning, but i can do it from the opposite viewpoint

i have held a boy doll. he looked really cool. i thought he looked cool but didnt really think much else of him. i couldnt visualise anything of him, being male he didnt appeal to me. now, if i was told he was a girl (ignoring the fact he was flat chested XD ) i would actually like him more. in my head now i can see a personality, i can see what that smirk means on their face, you know? though this is odd as i generally dont get along well with females in real life. i dont feel very comfortable around women.

my point is, i think its all about relation. but most of it is much, much deeper than some generic explanation. even for my own example, i cant explain. i would have to sit down with my boyfriend for hours talking about it to give some kind of vague answer. some people just 'connect' better with a gay couple, or a male in girly clothing. just like i 'connect' with a female persona. yes, a fair few people do it, but IMO alot less than many seem to say. some may just do it as a trend and - naturally - seeing lots gets boring, but i dont think that should cheapen the actual activity, the doll, or its owner. if they like it and theyre happy then thats fine. they have their own reasons for doing it, and really i dont think this question can be properly answered (hence why it keeps coming up). there are just too many induvidual reasons.

 

QFE!

@True Crimson: Just because a boy-doll acts like a boy, doesn't mean it's a stereotype. It's all in how you portray him. Clichés are everywhere and in my eyes particularly in the girly gay dolls.

 

I like reading this debate x3

But yes my thoughts..
I currently only have Gabriel, and he is bisexual. He is in no way girly; I think the only feminite aspect of him is his makeup and that is as it fits in with his style. He is quite the manly man (thanks to the beautiful DZ sculpts) and I think he would beat me if I tried to put me in a dress. I compare his tight leather trousers and casual tops with my next boy I am saving up for... he is as straight as a rainbow (which is all fitted into his backstory) and also very much into the cyber/raver fashion (he is actually an alternative model). Colour scheme wise he would be classed as girly; he is going to have pink and white dreads (possibly black aswell) and his outfits will mainly be of the same colour. I will however never put him in a dress/skirt as I think he would just kill me x3 The closest he will get is the fact that he will more often than not be wearing hot pants and stockings and tops designed for girl dolls simply as they are more fitting.

I personally would be quite reluctant to put my doll in dresses/skirts but that is all because of their personality.

All of my currently planned dolls are either gay or bisexual, and this can be explained in the fact that I am quite a big Yaoi fan and also a Slash Rper so I have never thought about why. I have been asked by male friends why I am into it all, but these are the males who are into female same-sex relationships, so I just ask them the same question and it shuts them up x3

It really is a personal preference thing; everybody is allowed to think their own things. I mean there are times when I have considered getting a cross-dressing male whom I was going to base off of Hizaki so it would be all elegant but that is just me. I am sure that if you look at people's other interests then alot will be explained~

 

Most people know my crew. I have a few of these so-called "skirt boys".
Eilor doesn't wear skirts all the time. He may have a girlish attitude and he may wear girly things and pink but I think classifying him as such can be rather offensive.
Hakai has even been bashed for it... Which greatly upsets me.
Here is my thoughts on the whole "buy a girl doll instead":
it is kind of upsetting for someone to say this. You buy a boy doll and have him all prettied up but that doll has a personality... A Story... A character. And that character happens to be male. I am sorry but I will not change my characters gender JUST because he looks and acts like a girl and you think he is an icky "skirt boy". Yeah... I like yaoi. I mostly like it because I see how free they are. Here in the real world, gays have to be hidden(or at least feel like they do). I know personally.
For me... It is like a sigh of relief to have my boys. I dont know how else to word it so that it is easily deciphered for everyone but that is how I feel. It is a representation of love. To me... Love is never wrong.