Dolly Cross-Dressing

me too,only in love with those tough guys....

 

a] is it unethical/wrong to picture "underage" (that means 21 for me) dolls cross-dressing?
In what way is it? People cross dress all the time, I have dressed as a guy and i'm 16. So no, there's definitely no issue.

b] when cross dressing how far does one go? Does one leave it to feminine clothing/face-up? or does one go all the way?
It depends on the preference of creator. Personally, my future boys WILL look like boys, but if others want to cross dress their boys then there's no issue.
c] Is it wrong to post pictures of your cross-dressers?
Definitely not.

 

a] is it unethical/wrong to picture "underage" (that means 21 for me) dolls cross-dressing?

No, I don't think so. Aren't there boys in real life that are maybe 19 or 20 and like wearing girly stuff? Or girls in the same age that better like to dress in a male way? I don't have a male doll right now that's supposed to be younger than 21 and none of them i wish for in this age-range will be a crossdresser. But I don't see any reason why it should be wrong.

b] when cross dressing how far does one go? Does one leave it to feminine clothing/face-up? or does one go all the way?

I myself have a crossdresser on the way. I think I'll leave it to feminine clothes, I don't see any reason to go further with this character.

c] Is it wrong to post pictures of your cross-dressers?

I don't think so. Doll-owners are proud of their dolls and wanna share pictures of them. And if anyone feels offended or just don't like cross-dressing dolls it's not the problem of the owner, thought. It's just about personal preferences.

 

a] is it unethical/wrong to picture "underage" (that means 21 for me) dolls cross-dressing?
In my opinion, you can picture dolls of any age cross dressing, or doing pretty much anything you like.
More of the issue is if someone sees the pictures is there a potential for offence? In some of the very first photos I took of my doll to show my friends, I had some pictures of her sitting, standing, and lying down. Now some of my friends got wierded out/offended by her lying down, becuase they thought they were 'sexual' poses. I was genuinely confused about this, I could have understood more if she was only in underwear or something like that, but as ever, different people see things very differently.
So I would say carefully consider who might see the photos and how they might react before you take pictures.
But more importantly, consider how you feel, and if you are happy that there isn't a problem, go ahead! If people complain ignore it! (most of my sisters are wierded out by the fact I even own a doll at all...)

b] when cross dressing how far does one go? Does one leave it to feminine clothing/face-up? or does one go all the way?
I personally don't see the appeal of cross dressing a doll. It's not something I would do, but I have no problem seing other peoples dolls cross dressing to any extent. Its their doll, they can do as the will with them.
Alot of the time I'm impressed with how well it's done too. It's obviously a good creative outlet, and maybe I'm a little envious I don't have the flair to do it.

c] Is it wrong to post pictures of your cross-dressers?
I pretty much went into my thoughts on this above, but just to say again, I think it's fine, and it's up to you to decide if you want to consider ir other people want to see the pictures or not. If you post them somewhere with the word cross-dressing in bold in the title, then if people are offended by it, they really shouldn't be going looking at it.

I think I may have typed a little more than I intended when I started to answer this, but it was quite refreshing to think about my opinions.

 

a ) i don't think that it is wrong to post dolls that are minors cross-dressing. Kids do that all the time, for the sake of Dress up or just to be comfortable. And it shows more individual personality that way.
b ) I don't think there is really a place where it has to stop. Like with people each individual will do as much as they are comfortable with and that’s how dolls should be. It should be up to individual personality.

 

I think your questions would be better through the lens of self examination as you have decide for yourself what seems right and wrong to you. What does cross-dressing mean to you? (<---meant to be a rhetorical question)

To me Cross-dressing isn't ethical or a right/wrong loaded question. It's not even necessarily linked to sexuality. It doesn't denote anything other than "the wearing of clothing typically worn by the opposite sex". If you're asking if it's wrong for folks under the age of 21 to cross-dress then that's really a question for a different forum. I am not willing to pass judgement on someone else's personal choices as it seems to participate in a sort of pointless arrogance of knowing what it's like to walk in another individual's shoes.

SilverWinglie basically hit the nail on the head. it's up to you and the character you create- their story, etc.

Again this is a right/wrong question that doesn't seem to apply. Do what you feel comfortable doing. I think there is some confusion here with sexuality and cross-dressing? One does not equal the other. Follow the forum rules according to images/photostories, good taste & your gut. You should theoretically be fine. I don't believe there's a 'NO CROSS-DRESSING' rule.

Your questions are great! That's what forums are for. ^_^

 

I believe there is a huge difference between a male toddler wearing a lacy gown (which, btw, was customary in Europe till late 19th century) and a 13-year-old drag queen sporting lacy stockings and lipstick. While I respect all forms of artistic expression, I personally find sexualization of children in poor taste, whether it involves cross-dressing or not. Of course, there are exceptions, some artists are just so talented that they can get away with anything, but for the most part, it's tacky. Edit: adult dolls cross-dressing are, of course, ok.

 

I don't see a problem with it. Most of the time no one can tell anyways. '`,&#12289;(´&#8704;`*)

 

I don't cross dress my doll
she wears saiyan armour (well the prototype) but she is still a girl-like you can tell

 

My opinion on most of these controversial "is it ethical to do X to a doll" stands here:

As long as you are following the site rules, you are free to post whatever you want. However, other people do have the right to be offended or displeased with what you do, and you should be mature enough not to take it as a personal attack that someone doesn't like something that you did knowing that some people wouldn't like it.

Age doesn't make a difference to me, as long as there is not sexualization involved. It is very common for young children to cross-dress, whether they are exploring gender roles or coping with something else in their life, and a lot of teenagers cross-dress to one degree or another as they try to find their place in the world, or show discontent with it. I am also perfectly fine hybridizing a male head and a female body or vice versa, or using a male body to portray a girl or flat-chested woman (or switching the more similar child-like bodies either way).

Personally, I wouldn't likely make a doll who is a crossdresser, but I have no problem with other people doing it as long as it was done with purpose and realistically.

 

a] is it unethical/wrong to picture "underage" (that means 21 for me) dolls cross-dressing?
No, not in my opinion. There are children who at a very young age feel as if they were not born as the right sex, and being young, they choose to crossdress and that is what makes them feel comfortable and good about themselves. Why should dolls be any different? Most people assign characters and personalities to their dolls, so although one might consider it inappropriate, it's up to the owner to decide what their doll enjoys wearing. Personally, I never thought I'd own a cross-dressing doll, but after joining a split for an Appini, and looking at pictures of the head sculpt, I decided I really wanted it to be a boy, even though in my opinion, the sculpt felt very feminine. My conclusion: my future doll Marius will be a cross-dresser because his character feels more comfortable dressing like a girl due to his feminine appearence (though the head will be going on a LTF boy body...). It's all personal opinion/preference, and as long as it's done tastefully, then those looking at the pictures should appreciate them for the artistic creativity.

b] when cross dressing how far does one go? Does one leave it to feminine clothing/face-up? or does one go all the way?
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this... if by 'all the way' you mean add breasts or remove the 'boy parts' from a doll... well, then it wouldn't really be a cross-dresser now, would it?

c] Is it wrong to post pictures of your cross-dressers?
No. Everything posted here on DoA is generally very tasteful (nothing extraordinarily graphic in any way), and therefore should be viewed as artistic expression. If a certain viewer does not agree with someone's expression, then they can quite simply move away from the pictures and refrain from posting any comments. Not everyone has the same viewpoint, but everyone SHOULD share the same rules of common courtesy. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

 

a] is it unethical/wrong to picture "underage" (that means 21 for me) dolls cross-dressing?
I don't think so. With little kid characters it's hard to cross dress anyway (about all I could think of is putting a boy in a skirt or pink things....) and with teens... well. Some teens cross dress. Real life, doll characters, everywhere, that's just who some people are (like goths, preps, hippies, ect.) and it's what their fashion statement is.

b] when cross dressing how far does one go? Does one leave it to feminine clothing/face-up? or does one go all the way?
I have a 18 year old boy character (Toby) who'll wear anything for fun. And that includes dresses, skirts, bras, ect. he does it for fun. Another boy I have in my head, who is not yet with his resin form, who is a true crossdresser (he does not wear boys clothes at all). I tend to thinks the rules that apply to humans apply to dolls as well, since they're based on humans in figure, dress, and character. Some people will think it's wrong, but in the end some people are cross dressers like some dolls are cross dressers, and though they're different or in the minority that doesn't mean they're fake, 'wrong' (however you want to define that term), or something to be ashamed of.

c] Is it wrong to post pictures of your cross-dressers?
Of course not! If it's underwear or shexy posing you need to abide by the rules of wherever your posting them (since those rules apply to EVERYBODY and not just different groups). And it's only polite to post a description of the pictures so anybody who doesn't like such images can just skip it. But there's a lot of other people who are just as enthusiastic about looking at cross dressing pictures as other types, so why not share the fun?

 

My beef with cross-dressing dolls is this; I am homosexual, and when some people hear neither of my boys cross-dress (I guess girls don't cross-dress ;3) some of them actually ask me why my dolls don't cross-dress. It's like a rule or something. So obviously I have no problem with people having their dolls cross-dress, I have a problem with people asking me why my boys don't. However, when I tell them I am planning a butch girl doll, they ask me why in the world I'd want one...while I am a soft-butch myself...anyone else confused? x3

Anyway, as for the questions; Unless the photo is blatantly sexual in nature, then no I don't think it's unethical or wrong to picture under 21 (18 in my area) dolls cross-dressing. To me, "all the way" with a cross-dressing doll would be to add removable breasts on the boys and stuff the girl doll's pants (like real cross-dressers do). As for posting the pictures no it's not wrong. One of the reasons I love this hobby is how open everyone is to homosexuality, and other different walks of like. Cross-dressing is a way of expressing oneself and if it's photographed tastefully, most people can't even tell if the doll really is a female or not.

 

I think a butch girl doll could be really cool.

It all boils down to people having expectations and not liking things to happen that they don't expect... one of my problems with the crossdressing boy dolls is they often are (as some people put it) "women with dicks". I have nothing against trans men or women in real life, or any of the spectrum between cisgendered and transgendered, but crossdressing a guy because you really wanted a girl doll and thought the boy dolls were cute or sexy or whatever is wrong and disrespectful (to me at least).

Granted, I fully plan on putting my boy doll in a dress, but that is because I won't be getting a girl doll for a long time and want to be able to make and hopefully sell clothing for both genders. I also plan on making the distinction that this is not my male character in a dress, it's a dressmodel.

 

I agree! A butch girl would be an awesome doll! I don't understand why there are some people who think that your dolls should completely reflect who YOU are (heteros having hetero dolls, homosexuals having homosexual dolls). My MNF Karsh whom I hope to get at some point this year will be bisexual (whilst I'm hetero), and I'm hoping to have a lot of fun with that! Why? Because the best part about having dolls is exploring their own unique personalities! Dolls are meant to express parts of you that you'd never actually be able to explore or are too timid to explore, or better yet express things you personally approve of, but are not! While I don't think I'd ever have a flamboyant gay character (Marius, while a cross-dresser, will be straight), it doesn't mean I don't love seeing same sex couples in the gallery section! Only reason I don't think I'd have a fully homosexual doll is simple... I'd want them to be absolutely perfect (character, mold, accessories, ect.) and then I'd feel awful because I wouldn't have a partner for them...

(Sorry, a little off-topic rant)

 

cross-dressing is fine in the doll world

a] is it unethical/wrong to picture "underage" (that means 21 for me) dolls cross-dressing?
no i don't think it can harm anyone

b] when cross dressing how far does one go? Does one leave it to feminine clothing/face-up? or does one go all the way?
like an in between gender? i think that would be cool id never seen it done my doll just has the close and face up i mean most boy dolls look like girls anyways
c] Is it wrong to post pictures of your cross-dressers?
i don't see why i would be

 

a] is it unethical/wrong to picture "underage" (that means 21 for me) dolls cross-dressing?
Mostly no, however when I see young child dolls, ones that look between the ages of five and seven in short skirts and makeup I find that wrong. If you play that character out as a child then I think it's wrong to force something that for me is a grown-up thing onto a young child, because people under the age of like fifteen don't usually cross dress.

b] when cross dressing how far does one go? Does one leave it to feminine clothing/face-up? or does one go all the way?
I don't know if this question really applies to me as even though I'm still saving for a doll I would never cross dress him. It's something that doesn't appeal to me at all and I'd probably feel uncomfortable with a boy doll in a dress. This is of course personal taste.

c] Is it wrong to post pictures of your cross-dressers?
No, though I don't really get why almost every single doll on this site is a feminine, homosexual male with long flowing hair and a love for japanese cartoons. It does make people percieve the hobby as a bit strange I think when almost all of the dolls they see are a bit.. strange. People can do what they want with these dolls though, that's the whole point of them.

 

a] is it unethical/wrong to picture "underage" (that means 21 for me) dolls cross-dressing?
No, I don't think so. Clothes is clothes.

b] when cross dressing how far does one go? Does one leave it to feminine clothing/face-up? or does one go all the way?
Not sure what "all the way" would be...but as always, it's up to the doll owners. How far would I go? I wouldn't, I don't have any desire for cross-dressing dolls myself.

c] Is it wrong to post pictures of your cross-dressers?
Like I said, clothes is clothes. There's nothing inherently sexual about a dress, whoever's wearing it.

Beki.cookie, I wouldn't say it's THAT big a majority but I hear you. That's one of the things that makes this doll community really different from some of the others. While I have no problem with people/dolls being gay, it's like homosexuality is glorified and considered "better" than heterosexuality in the BJD fandom, and I really can't relate to "icky muscles," "ew facial hair," every other guy doll in a dress, swooning over boy+boy pics, etc. If that's what you like it's totally cool, but I just wonder...why so many fans? (My type of boy doll = bearded Iplehouse man in a suit, LOL)

 

I wouldn't say that exactly... I mean perhaps I just don't notice it, but I think there's quite a large amount of regular hetero male dolls here on DoA.

 

Careful there, Beki... That brush you're using is awfully wide. Not every guy with too much hair is gay, and not every owner who puts a longer wig on a male doll is an anime fan. Believe it or not, there are plenty of us here that aren't into that kind of thing.

Like those no-trousers-involved traditional or historical ethnic costumes that were mentioned up-thread, longer hair than the average modern male wears isn't necessarily "cross-dressing", or a feminine trait. There are times and places where that look was seen as entirely appropriate for men, and not the least bit "girly" in and of itself. Even in the modern world, longer hair on a guy doesn't necessarily make them any less of a dude. It's just another look.

So... You can't just look at a doll (Or a guy, for that matter- ) and be sure that his hair or his outfit alone defines him. Context is important. Is he supposed to be the drummer in some Heavy Metal band? One of those shaggy-haired slacker surfer-dudes? Somebody's 13th-century Asian noble? A fairy knight right out of some folktale? ... That kind of thing goes well beyond a blanket statement that "Hairstyle A = Gay" or "Outfit B = Girly-clothes".