Dolly Cross-Dressing

a] is it unethical/wrong to picture "underage" (that means 21 for me) dolls cross-dressing?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I mean, who are we, who is anyone at all, to dictate what the others should be like? And it's not only the matter of clothes. All the hatred and bashing can easily hurt one's feelings, all the more if the person is still very young. Besides, I think everyone has a very good reason to do so - why would anyone crossdress on a regular basis if they were not serious about it? So much stress to go through... So no, being adult is definetely not the "setting free" line for anything. It's just a number, after all! Where has all the individuality gone?
Of course, small children should never be included in anything sexually themed. That's wrong no matter what they're wearing.


b] when cross dressing how far does one go? Does one leave it to feminine clothing/face-up? or does one go all the way?
Once again, it all depends! Whatever the person/doll feels like.
Me, I usually tend to dress my boy in a very girlish way. And with his sculpt being as delicate as it already is, he's often being mistaken for a girl. But once the people get to know him - as a very sweet boy, nothing more and nothing less - that ceases to create any trouble, too. Still, that was something meant for him as for a character, so I'm only sticking to the original concept.

c] Is it wrong to post pictures of your cross-dressers?
Not at all! Anything goes, as long as the aesthetics are upheld. I don't mind seeing anything juicier either, no matter the style of clothing, as long as the presentation's not vulgar.
Besides, androgynnous people are just so darn pretty!

 

When you get right down to it, this is a debate about what clothes dolls should wear. That's simply a stylistic choice that owners make, wether the doll is cross-dressing or not, and it should not have anything to do with age or gender or anything else.

I think the problem that people typically have with cross-dressing (and therefore cross-dressing dolls) is that it's not "normal," and that people typically associate cross-dressing with wishing to be the opposite gender. Really, the two are completely seperate. And even if someone does have a doll that wants to be the opposite gender, no one else really has a right to say that pictures of the doll shouldn't be posted or that the owner is doing something wrong.

Sorry if I seem repetitive or noob-ish, but I am kind of new.

 

Well, as some have pointed out before, there a bunch of tomboy-ish girls out there, so why is it wrong for a doll to dress that way? I have no problem with cross-dressing, but if you did a boys face up feminine and wanted your doll to look like a girl... then why not order a girl body then?
I see nothing wrong with taking photos of the doll cross-dressing but I'd expect a lot of confusion XD

 

You can dress your doll however you want. Thats the great part about this hobby. Everything is so customizable, and there are no rules. Crossdressing is not wrong.

 

I see no reason why you cannot cross dress your dolls, they are your dolls and for your enjoyment. I have seen quite a few cross dressed dolls that looked really good. So do what you want.

 

I honestly don't see it being wrong or unethical to change your doll's appearance from female to male or male to female. My dolly has a body that could go either way so I did purchase some patterns for boy clothing and plan on dressing her as a boy sometime in the near future. I am sure it would look "odd" if I had a doll with a full figure feminine body and dressed her as a man. Some of the Men dolls I have seen have such beautiful faces and would look absolutely beautiful as a woman.

 

It looks cool, actually, IMO. Women in "masculine" clothes can be quite attractive, both dolls and real humans.

I "crossdress" many of my dolls.

I don't see ANYTHING unethical about that. I don't see anything unethical about "crossdressing" in general, as long as the person who crossdresses does it on their own will. I don't even think that there should be "male" and "female" clothing. It would be really cool if everybody could just wear what they like. And these are dolls we are talking about anyway.

And our doll characters are often not from our world, time etc. There are so many immortal vampires, godlike being etc. So they could have brought their style with them? In Victorian age little boys used to wear dresses. In the Middle Ages men wore long skirt- and dress-like things sometime too. In the Stone Age everybody just wore some fur. It is all cultural.

As long as you don't stick a childlike boy Mini or Tiny in stereotypical female fetish-underwear, I think you are on the safe side. But then again, I wouldn't advice you to stick a childlike girl Mini or Tiny in this type of clothing neither. This would not be crossdressing, but it would still imply unethical things and I really don't want to see this kind of things, neither in reality, nor on the doll forum

 

My doll is in his mid twenties and he cross-dresses. I find nothing wrong in his preference. He prefers to wear women's clothing and doesn't feel right wearing men's clothes.

 

I have a doll whose character is 31 and he frequently enjoys crossdressing. He even has a daughter and gives a happy squee each time he's called "mom". I have no issues with posting pictures of him crossdressing, because it's just one of his quirks. He does it because he enjoys it.

Now, on the other hand, I have plans to obtain a doll whose character is 16. I have planned a photostory that involves him crossdressing, but the act itself is simply caused because he's teased into it by my girl dolls. It's being played for comedy, not in anyway malicious. I also have no true problems with posting it, because it's just an example of something that happens in a story, it's all for fun and though the character in question may be thoroughly annoyed that the girls like to tease him, he does it of his own free will.

Many of my girl dolls occasionally wear more masculine clothes, but again, it's their choice as to what sorts of clothes they prefer wearing, so I don't see how it's an issue.

 

Is it unethical/wrong to picture "underage" (that means 21 for me) dolls cross-dressing?
Honestly, I'm going to go against the crown here and say yes. But on the condition that when they cross dress they are being depicted as wanting to be like the opposite gender.

When cross dressing how far does one go? Does one leave it to feminine clothing/face-up? or does one go all the way?
Well... I don't believe guys should wear make-up for one (but minus people in show-biz and etc.). But when they're dolls, they NEED a face-up. And feminine looking face-up is okay, it just depicts a more feminine face. Which is perfectly fine. A lot of dolls look girly. But if a guy doll is depicted wearing lipstick (not paint on the lips as part of the face-up mind you), thats when I feel iffy. Eyes and stuff though, go wild. Style and choice of clothes are the in-between pool.

Is it wrong to post pictures of your cross-dressers?
I don't really think dolls should be cross dressing :/ As to why you could say I'm being narrow minded or old fashioned but its really just about that iffy in-between line. I judged what I think and others judge what they think ^^

 

HoushiChan - Sorry, you've lost me entirely, why is it wrong to crossdress? I'm not bashing, I'm just attempting to understand your point of view because you didn't explain it at all and people with this view fascinate me.

 

@HoushiChan

So you are also saying it would be false if a real life transgender under age of 21 crossdresses? And that it is wrong?
Nothing against you but I think your view is VERY close minded. I think we should be finally over strict dress codes, stereotypes and terrible old-fashioned gender roles.
Clothes are just cloth and textiles and make up is just colour. And a doll is not even a living being it is an object.

I already have given my view partially. I don't think there is any limit for creativity, that also includes crossdressing. I can see and understand very well why people are so fascinated by it. The fascination of a human being or figure to cross the physical border of the biological sex and transform (mental or just visual) into the opposite one was already exciting in the 19th century (and before)- it may also have been a way to escape the strict dress codes of that time too.
And nowadays were we are moving forward with our understanding of gender and sex (and the difference between those) and with a more open and free minded society than we had some centuries before it seems to have a big revival.

And in all honesty: what would be so offensive if a kid doll crossdresses? Crossdressing is not synonymous to anything with sexual content (yes, some images with crossdressing people can have sexual content, but this must not be). And in real life there are even young teens around 11 who like to crossdress or identify themselves as gender fluid/trans. I think it is rather hurting those people by saying "it's wrong" than it offenses anyone else (and if it does they may want to think why they feel that way).

 

Is it unethical/wrong to picture "underage" (that means 21 for me) dolls cross-dressing?

I personally don't think so, no. I own a LTF who is 18 years old, and she dresses like a boy all the time. Her face-up is pretty feminine, and her sculpt is usually depicted as a female because she's pretty girly. (She's an Ante Elf.) That said, I feel that LTF are pretty genderless regardless.

However, in that spectrum, Litara, my wife, has a Minifee who is a cross-dresser and whom is also Trans. (Male-to-female.) Her sculpt is actually a male's sculpt (A Seorin,) but the doll dresses in both male and female clothes.

I think the idea of underage dolls being an unappropriated topic is one that is depicted by where you live. I live in San Francisco, where this is a common thing. People cross dress all the time here. I'd imagine in more rural communities, you could see people misunderstanding about the issue. I think it's something to expect not just because of the rural situation, but because of the age gaps that might be present as well.

Regardless, I don't feel like it's a funny topic and I feel fine about it because this is my environment ^_^

When cross dressing how far does one go? Does one leave it to feminine clothing/face-up? or does one go all the way?


It depends on what YOUR aesthetic is, really. I REALLY like it when a dolls' clothes are crossdressing, but the face shows off (show cases,) the biological sex. I like to see masculine crossdressing dolls' face to show the manliness of the doll. My Ante Elf is unaturally GIRLY But her clothes are somewhat tomboyish, leaning towards very masculine.

Litara's MNF MTF (male-to-female,), however, is unmistakably androgynous. Even when Litara's girl-bodied MTF dresses in men's clothes, you can't tell by the face if the doll is a girl in men's clothes or a guy being dressed up.



Is it wrong to post pictures of your cross-dressers?


Why is it? I cross dress and I don't feel bad when I show photos of ME.

I take all sorts of toy-related photos. I used to feel bad when I posted photos of my Littlest Pet Shop toys because I was scared people would think I was cheap. But then I just said to myself, "Oh, fuck that XD I don't care anymore. POST THINGS EVERYYYWHERE 8D" And I did!

I like taking BJD photos of my crossdressing LTF the best. I WILL forgo posting photos of my dolls so that she can get the most attention! Haha. I LOVE showing her off, especially in drag!

 

I think when someone says "crossdressing is wrong!" but can't come up with any actual rational logcal reasons for their statement, it speaks volumes about their own personal issues and says nothing at all about the actual moral status of crossdressing. There's a lot of internalised bigotry and privilege about the subject that people really don't like examining in the mirror.

There is NOTHING wrong with crossdressing, transvestitism or with being transgendered/genderqueer/genderfluid. And if you think there is, it's tie you took a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why how someone else expresses their gender identity is bothering you?

Because it's not them that has the problem. It's you.

 

I would like to say, that even though I disagree with @HoushiChan's point of view on this topic, this is a DEBATE forum and therefore is designed to welcome all opinions and points of view on the subject at hand. Bottom line: everyone is entitled to their own opinion, regardless of the reasons for it. Were that not the case, this would be just a "people all agreeing with each other" forum.

Now onto the subject at hand- I personally think that whatever someone wants to do with their dolls is fine. I don't cross-dress mine unless it's in a joking manner, but I don't look down on those who do either.

 

Yes, kaschan502 this is a DEBATE thread and therefore people should also have the right to reply to Hoshichan's post don't you agree?

There is nothing wrong to crossdress or crossdress your doll. There is nothing wrong with transvestites, transexual, androgynous, intersexed people or Drag Queens/Kings.
I don't believe there is any need for gender specific anything and that includes how we behave, dress, talk, walk, work or interact with one and another etc.
Every time someone disagrees with me on this I die a little inside.

 

Nihmo- I do agree that people have every right to reply, however I do think that there is also a level of respectfulness that should be maintained as well. It's one thing for people to disagree with someone else's opinion, but it's another to accuse someone of having personal issues or being close-minded because of their opinion, mostly because that's in essence undermining the validity of their point of view. I personally believe that everyone's opinion in cases like these is equally valid, be it for or against cross-dressing dolls of any apparent age or status.

 

So you're basically saying that bigotry & transphobia are OK but calling someone out on it isn't? Way to derail the discussion there.

 

Believe it or not, I have a male msd that poses on the effeminate side, no matter what is done to his stringing etc. So we dress him in feminine clothes often.

On another hand, I have a tiny male doll (ltf) that in 'boy' mode is very androgenous, very childish, yet in 'girl' mode looks perfectly natural. The doll's "personality" inspired me to model it after the characters in Ramna 1/2, with my own storyline, of course.

 

That's not what I'm saying, but I do understand that you have some very strong feelings on this subject. I just think that calling people bigots and transphobic based on one post in one thread is kind of limiting, especially since doll cross-dressing is really only one part of the bigger picture of gender identification and transgender issues. IRL, that person might have friends who are transgendered or homosexuals.

But at the end of the day, haters gonna hate. Hope everyone has a good one!