Fantasia Doll Elder/Senior Sizes

@Cloudedmind and @djgigahertz

You both raised some absolutely great points. Thank you for sharing your views.

I do understand Paypal has rules we should all abide by when we sign up, but we also know some people will disregards them , as we see here on this board when sellers ask the buyers to pay for their seller fees, contrary to what Paypal rules are, that state they are not suppose to do so. I don't think @vauhtikatti did anything she shouldn't during the process. . She did everything absolutely right to try to work out a situation that wasn't correct for they had sent her the wrong head. She communicated with the seller to resolve the problem, they ignored her. Fantasia, should really communicate with their clients. It's bad form and bad business not to do so. She filed for partial refund for the wrong head. And the winfall was she got the whole money back by a neutral party who had no monetary stake in this.

I guess I put myself in their (seller ) shoes. If you were the seller, and this situation happened to you, and for what ever reason you didn't communicate, would you be as hung ho to shrug it off, when the buyer not only ends up with the doll but all the money as well? Would it be easy to then say, I'm okay with that. Let's be honest. I think most of us, would not consider that to be fair at all.

That's all I was trying to get across. A different point of view.

 

They indicated they were fine with it by not saying anything, when they had plenty of time to do so. I would hope that if you were to sell something you wouldn't completely abandon your customer in a situation like this. I don't see the value in supporting this kind of behavior from companies (they're not JUST an artist; they are exchanging goods for currency).

The artist WAS supported by the attempt to work with them, and by giving them all opportunity through the appropriate channels to resolve the matter.

 

Thank you for your response. And no I would never leave a customer or client hanging like that. I agree that they were wrong in ignoring this situation and they got nailed by that.

 

I got an email answer from Fantasia doll/ Uidoll today. They apologized for the delay in replying and said they had been hospitalized for a month

 

Is anyone still waiting on an order?

 

That's so sad about them being hospitalized. I seem to recall something in the past about them having health issues and with those being part of the reason why they had to closed down. Does anyone else remember that, or am I maybe thinking of the wrong company?

 

Thanks for the update, @windspiel . I'm still waiting on an order, and he hadn't responded to emails. I was wondering if something had happened! @sno4wy you're remembering right, he had a heart attack a couple of years ago.

 

no problem, my friend and I are still waiting on orders as well but we ordered in the beginning of November.

 

Hey, thought you might wanna know this since most of you will probably paint your dolls. I have my friend's permission to post on this.

I gave my new Alice to a non-DoA friend a while back because the doll was not the one I ordered, and she tried doing it a faceup today. She had to remove it in the process because of a painting mistake, and the head went all shiny and soft. Like, she could gently press it on her nail and it left a clear mark. When she held the head, her fingerprint got pressed on it. And the shine is also like a surface of gloss was applied and doesn't come off in any way. My friend has done faceups for 10+ years, she uses completely safe materials (MSC to seal and isopropyl alcohol to remove the faceup, and only oil-free materials) and never came across this on any doll from tens of companies. She thinks the doll may partially be something else than proper resin. She also said it seemed to be coated with something that came off when she wiped it with the alcohol.

She hopes that the head sets back to its original hardness when it is left alone for a while, and that there is some way to restore the marks left on the resin from simply holding the head. She is going to try boiling it to see if it resets the original form.

Did any of you have this kind of experience, if you have already had the time to paint/wipe your new 2021 dolls? I know there was nothing like this on the 2017 batch. Anyways, I recommend you to be very careful when cleaning these new dolls with alcohol, so you do not accidentally damage the doll! And if you do not have this kind of effect upon removal of makeup, please tell what brand/type of cleaning medium you used, maybe there is a safe option.

 

@vauhtikatti

Be careful with boiling the doll. I dyed mine and in the process it must go into boiling water. All resin softens a bit in heat (which is how people bend fingers) but this resin softened similarly to how you describe in heat such that I could compress the head by almost a centimeter. I became concerned that as the resin hardened with cooling, it would hardened deformed slightly and the pieces wouldn’t fit together anymore so I cooled it assembled as much as possible but unstrung (head cap on, double joints within calves, thigh pieces, forearms, and upper arms, etc.)

The only plastic I’ve had become this soft when boiling is Pullip ABS. Hujoo ABS is not even as soft with heat

 

@americanseamstress She will. But I guess the head is not useable to her at this point if she cannot fix it, so boiling likely won't make the situation worse. The doll has a hole on the forehead, I saw a picture, because it touched something on her table while she was cleaning it (in a way that should not have caused a hole in the head's normal state, the doll is like wax at the moment). So in any case it will have visible defects, a hole can maybe be filled but it is hard to hide fingerprints that are pressed on the resin, unless sanding it

 

That's really strange. I decided to do some of my own spot testing on the inner head cap with isopropyl alcohol and Windsor & Newton after reading through this, and neither seemed to soften the resin, or leave indents or fingerprints when I pressed against it. @vauhtikatti did your friend spot-clean the head (use cotton balls or something similar soaked in isopropyl), or did she soak it in the isopropyl? I've done faceup removals on Pullips with Isopropyl without issues when using cotton balls to clean them off. Also, I'm not sure if this matters, but what resin color was the Alice head in question?

Resin can be particular if soaked for more than a few minutes in most cleaning solutions like isopropyl. I had some resin deterioration with an OT head (Resinsoul) when I tried soaking it for longer than that.

 

@jade-eyed-cat no, she did not exactly soak it, just wiped it, though for a pretty long amount of time, a total of 15 minutes. She did it for so long because the head started shining like it was glossed, and she thought it still had sealant.

Okay, since I got doubty if it was the long time, I decided to sacrifice my body. I wiped with the usual stuff I use for faceup removal for 4 years now, and only gently wiped her elbow joint for less than a minute. I use a different remover than my fiend, it's an oil-free acetone free fake nail cleaner that is safe for resin. The resin immediately got very shiny marbling that did not even come off with soap or miracle sponge. It doesn't show very well in pictures, but it is very shiny, before it was completely matte. It seems some places in her body do not have this happen, because I also tested in her hip socket first and nothing happened. This body never had sealant and was only handled once or twice, too.

 

That is strange. Usually I do cycles while doing faceup wipes—a few minutes with the isopropyl, followed by a cleaning with dishwashing detergent. It helps to keep the isopropyl from sitting on the resin too long and gets rid of excess loosened sealant. Hopefully doing cycling like this will help prevent again resin melt.

Any idea if applying a sealant would help matte it out again, or does the shiny patch seep through the sealant? Also, does the resin counteract with the sealant in any way when it's applied—especially after it becomes shiny? I'm really hoping I won't have to shop around for yet another sculpt for the OC Jin was supposed to be for. I really like his facial features—

 

@jade-eyed-cat I didn't try sealing the elbow (and I don't use MSC but Army Painter which is not so common, so not sure how much it would help most peeps), but I'll tell what we find out, if my friend decides to re-seal the head. Probably she'll try to fix it first.

//Edit: oh my goodness, I forgot to answer your question earlier. The body and head are both NS.

//Edit 2: My friend waited overnight with the damaged head to seal it. The head had turned back to hard, and interestingly enough, the nail and finger presses on it had disappeared once it turned firm again, but the shine was as strong as ever. If any of you ever saw a blythe that had its facepaint removed, the sine is as strong, it looks as if the head is wet. Magic eraser scrubbing had no effect on the shine. She put a layer of MSC and another of Army Painter, and the shine did reduce, but it does still show through and is not as good as in "before" state.

She sanded the head very lightly so it was matte again, sealed it again with MSC and then did the same treatment as first time (isopropyl alcohol scrubbing). this time the head did not turn shiny or soft. So that seems to work! Might it be the head was indeed coated with something that has a reaction with alcohol? I scrubbed my doll's elbow joint (the other one that I did not make shiny) with a miracle sponge for quite a while, and there was something that did come off, like a layer of dirt except she should not be dirty because I have barely taken her out of the cabinet. The outlines of the spot I had wiped could be seen pretty clearly and the rest of the joint really seems to be covered in something.

 

Does somebody here owns a Jupiter? I will be very grateful if somebody shares owner pictures

 

I'm hopefully getting a Jupiter head and I have a few different possible bodies to match him with. I was wondering if anyone could tell me which body would work best (assuming one will work in the first place)?

1. Iplehouse EID body
2. Ringdoll RGM body 3
3. Ringdoll RGM body 1
4. Resinsoul 70cm body

The measurements for the bodies are as follows:

1) Iplehouse EID:
Height : 70.5 cm
Neck mesurement : 12.8 cm
Shoulder width : 18 cm

2) Ringdoll RGM body 3:
-Total Height (Head included) : 70.5cm
-Girth of upper neck: 10 cm
-Girth of lower neck: 12 cm
-Width of shoulder: 15.5 cm

3) Ringdoll RGM body 1:
I can't find the measurements since it's not being sold by Ringdoll right now but the body is more slender than the RGM body 3 and 72cm. I found this with google but I'm not sure if this is correct:
Neck measurement: 10.5 cm
Width of shoulders: 15 cm

4) Resinsoul 70cm body:
NECK SIZE 10cm
SHOULDER WIDTH 13cm
CHEST 26cm

 

I can tell you this from testing out my Jin head on the bodies I have, the boy heads are going to look best on at least a 70cm body with 15.5cm shoulders and wider. I don't have the Iple body, but I imagine that it would work based on those factors (although there would be some required modding on either the body's neck or the head to get it to work: 10.5cm for the head where the male EID is close to 2cm wider in circumference). I also can't speak on the Ringdoll RGM-1, but have tested it out on the RGM-3 and the proportions look really good—plus no need to mod either one's neck.

As for the Resinsoul 70cm....I think it's going to depend on preferences really, but the shoulders and body are too narrow for it from my perspective. I could see it working better with the 72cm, with maybe a bit of neck modding (It might work without, as I've had some 10.5cm heads work well on 11cm necks, but it's all going to depend on minute factors and I don't have the 72cm body to compare with).

I hope that helps

 

That helped so much, thank you! Fortunately I have two of the RGM-3 bodies, one of which is unused since I got the 72cm Ringdoll body to replace it for my tall but less muscular guys. I’ll put him on the 3, then.

 

I'm just curious, would the Jupiter head work on either the timeless body or the Granado Zen bodies? Still probably going to stick with my Ringdoll boy but I'm curious as I've seen a Venitu/Timeless split in a local group and I've always loved it. A friend is thinking of selling her Zen body and offered me first choice if she decides to sell.