Iffy auction?

They also have pictures of Ming and I don't think it's the same sculpt. I believe the pix on Ebay is the 1/3 doll -Dust, and Ming although has the same half opened eyes, has a more mature and longer face than Ming. I still like him and he still has that very Asian feel to him. Maybe it's after seeing pictures of "Dust", but I think I like Ming better bold and maybe dressed in a more Asian like clothes. What do you guys think?

By the way, they have just fallen victim to phishing. Yesterday they recevied an email asking them to verify their Ebay account information and they did. Mr. Zhang asked me about it when he was emailing me pictures of the dolls, because he hadn't received any reply from Ebay and he was wondering if there was anything else he needed to do. Being on Ebay this many years, I informed the poor guy to be careful and that it could be a fake email and to check his EBAY inbox to see if he can find the same email there. Unfortunately, he didnt see anything in his mailbox. He has no choice but to change their account info on Ebay, and he changed both the seller ID and password. If I were him I would have changed only the password or maybe change my ID just slightly so that people will still recognize it, but I think this is the first they've had happened, and they got scared. For AOD, this launching of their dolls into the international market has been one long and bumpy road, and I really feel them. It's always bad to change seller id, and this is especially true for them a this point, but I guess they didn't have time to think about that. Anyway, I know he changed the seller ID when he changed his acct info with Ebay but the email address is still the same.

Uneide - This a learning process for me, and I'm try, really! Please be patient with me and I'll try to learn as fast as I can.

 

I am really sorry but i just have to say this and i mean no harm to you venture1 but if this company and or Mr Chang/Zhang or whoever don't make their minds up about what doll is what and for sale where and keep to the same name etc etc etc they are never going to get any custom.
My head is spinning with the constant changes.


So those bidding on 'Ming' on eBay are in fact not bidding on that actual doll sculpt at all - it is a completely different one?

 

Mamehisa, I may have confused you when I brought up the name "Dust". That's my translation of the name from Chinese. Just as Mr. Chang/Zhang, if you read Chinese, it's the same Chinese character with different spellings. I'm sure anybody capable of ready Chinese will vouch for that.
I think it's a different sculpt because the heads look different to me. Go to the website and judge for yourself. AOD has been talking about putting up new pictures for Ming and other 1/3 dolls and I think they've just been using the pictures of one of the 1/4 dolls while they are working on the updates.
I believe they thought since both dolls have similar feel to it that it would give people an idea what 1/3 doll looks like by showing the pics of 1/4 doll. Perhaps this is why they said that they are developing 1/3 ming in the Q&A section of the auction? Misleading? Yes. Stupid? Yes. Wrong? Yes. Deliberately out to cheat people? I don't think so. I think when we asked if the pics for the doll on the auction was for a 1/3 doll, they, as in AOD, were thinking about the size and not the sculpt.

People, please don't jump on me about this. I am only offering you info as they come to me, and sometimes I put my two cents in. I'm not an agent and I don't work for them. This company has started off on the wrong foot from the get go, and made several stupid mistakes along the way. There is definitely no doubt about that! I still think all that stems from their haste in trying to go international, and not maliciously out to cheat or scam people's money. If they had wanted to deliberatly mislead people I don't think they would release pictures of 1/3 Ming and asked me to let everyone know prior to the closing of their auctions on Ebay.

 

From Mamehisa:
My head is spinning with the constant changes.

Yours and mine both! I had to go through a third party just to get a yes/no answer.

So those bidding on 'Ming' on eBay are in fact not bidding on that actual doll sculpt at all - it is a completely different one?

Yup, and I'm not really happy about that. I saw the 60 cm doll pix last night; he is pretty but not what I was expecting. Should I win the auction I will keep him, but I still prefer the 1/4 Ming.
And I can see where some of the controversy RE: Dollzone comes from. The 60 cm looks hauntingly like my DZ Mo-Wen. He is sitting right next to my computer; his face shape and the faceup are close BUT that is where the similarities end. There are too many major joint differences, body mold differences, etc. to even think this is a copy. That's beside the fact that one is 1/3 and the other is 1/4.
I truly hope they can get their act together and become a reliable company. They do have promise, they just don't have any common sense at the moment.

 

Very confusing

The Angel of Dream site shows their 1/3 scale dolls here:
http://www.aoddoll.com/productsort.asp?id=34

As to which one is 1/3 "Ming", I can make a guess, but the 1/3 dolls don't have names listed, just g1, g2, b1, b2. "B1" has the half open looking eyes.

The ebay auction 'AOD.BJD 1/3SUPER DOLLFIE MING. LooK...FREE FACE-UP..'
http://cgi.ebay.com/AOD-BJD-1-3SUPE...0354086QQihZ003QQcategoryZ84635QQcmdZViewItem
shows clothed pictures of 1/4 boy "Dust":
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?h...//www.aoddoll.com/showproduct.asp?id=82&tbb=1
and unpainted head of 1/4 boy "Really"
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?h...//www.aoddoll.com/showproduct.asp?id=81&tbb=1

(the names "Dust" and "Really" are the Chinese names translated using Google)

So going by the pictures posted on the Angel of Dream site http://www.aoddoll.com/

the ebay seller is advertising a 1/3 doll for sale, and is showing pictures of two different 1/4 dolls.

Technical notes:

**You can have a 1/3 "version" of a 1/4 doll (much the way CP Luts Minifee El is a 1/4 version of Delf El) but they cannot be the same "sculpt" because they are two different sizes. The artist has to make two different sized sculptures.

**Showing a picture of one doll (or in this case, 'dolls') and sending a different doll can open this ebay seller up for fraud, because the item the buyer receives is either "not as pictured" or "not as described".

Good intentions aside, this ebay seller really needs to post pictures of the actual doll he is selling, or fix the description because if the official Angel of Dream site is correct (and I am assuming it is), this seller doesn't seem to know what doll he is selling and if he doesn't know that, then maybe he won't know how to address any problems that may occur during the transaction.

Personally, I'd wait until a more organized vendor offers these dolls for sale.

edit: realized this was beside the point, but pics of all the bodies here:
(they have 2 sets of 1/4 bodies, haven't checked to see if there is differences, or if it is the same body with different heads)
http://www.aoddoll.com/productsort.asp?id=41

 

"... they thought since both dolls have similar feel to it that it would give people an idea what 1/3 doll looks like by showing the pics of 1/4 doll."

but they don't actually say this in their auction listing, and they have not yet added a revision or additional information. This would fall under the category of "bait and switch" which is clearly against ebay rules. Seems to me they should be aware of this and at least add the info now and give those bidding an opportunity to retract their bids. They cannot assume that anyone who has/will bid is on this forum. Not adding that info, especially since there are bids, and continuing to mislead the potential buyer is defintely not a good way to start off as a seller. I'm sure they don't want their first feedbacks to be negative and have their first sales all be reported as item significantly not as photo. Yet, this is a very likely scenario.

"...prior to the closing of their auctions on Ebay."

huh? their auctions ARE still up and running as of right now.

And now having seen the new 1/3 pics on the site, I have to say I like the 1/4 a lot better - both faces and body

 

This is what i am meant about changing names Venture-1. Already they have changed from their eBay ID top-sincerity (or whatever it was) to sky18482310521.
From top sincerity to pie-in-the-sky?
Sorry for seeming sarcastic because i really wanted a Ming and desperately hoped that this company was new and would have some great new dolls available and feel a bit p*****d off that potential customers are being given the run-around already.

Do you actually know 100% for sure that what the guy is telling you is true about his hijacked email account? It's too convenient for my liking and i will now walk off into the sunset and not bother with AoD (does that stand for Angst or Despair?) until they get themselves sorted out.

Blimey. My first Rant ^_^

 

just saw those. I think they are the same body in 2 different resin colors.

but... that is NOT the body that was shown in the 1/4 girl auction that ended yesterday (with several bids), so I'm still a bit concerned as to the discrepancy there.

 

I know the change of ID for a sure, because they changed it after I told them to check on their in message folder on Ebay. I was the one informing them about the possibility of phishing. At this point, I am getting kind of tired trying to do the damage control for them. They have so many mistakes and messes from the start and it just seems one after another. I don't know what else to say, except that I did say from the start, don't bid, don't buy, let me get the dolls first and then go from there. All I can say at this point is that, this company has dolls to sell but not "matured" enough for the international market yet.

 

Um, guys?
http://www.aoddoll.com/showproduct.asp?id=91
The 1/3rd girl is a modded Delf. Look at the upper torso part and feet, they're identical. They put a lot of work into modifying every joint, but not enough to disguise it.
I have no idea about the heads or the rest of the bodies, I just own a Lishe and know her body (especially the huge boobs) when I see it. This is really disgusting.

Same exact feet, the tricky little ankle joint cap has been enlarged, details on legs sanded down.

Torso hacked up, shoulder cups removed, just look at how little detail is in the bottom torso part...

 

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree here. From the side by side picture, I'm not seeing anything that screams "complete bootleg!" to me, mainly in the torso.

Torso: the neck muscles are an entirely different shape, as well as the breasts, the negra line/muscle line and the belly button are completely different and in a different location. The "undies" joint is much boxier then Lishe's.

Legs: I agree that they are similar in shape, but the top joint, the knees, and the ankles look different enough as to make me want to see more pictures before judgement.

Arms: Same as legs, I want to see more pictures. ^^

I do agree that the feet are Very similar, however. Hmm.


Just an observation of my own.

~Anrui

 

not even close similar to me either. Shoulders totally different. Overall curve or torso very different through the waist and hips, plus the AOD has a lover torso joint. Other than a similarity in the curvature of the legs (that's probably similar to a lot fo bodies) I/m not seeing it at all.

 

Well, as nice as Ming is, I'm more interested in this other boy:
http://www.aoddoll.com/showproduct.asp?id=81
What's this sweetie's name?

I can't get a BJD any time soon, but If I do ever wind up buying one, this might be my top choice for this price range, assuming all the crazy issues are worked out by then.

 

"Zheng" is the name of that doll, but it's a different Chinese character from "Mr. Zheng," by the way. It means "truth." (The correct pronounciation of "Mr. Zheng" is more like Cheng, with a stress on the "n." "Zheng" for this doll is pronounced with a lighter feel.) Just to clarify that they're totally different characters despite the similar English spelling. Also, tha's why there was some confusion on names earlier for the owner of the company.

 

Ah, thank you. ^_^

 

*Argh! DoA just went down in the middle of my working on this post. XD

Okay.
Dagnabit.
Anrui Ukimi's posted pics made me think to go check Soom girl bodies, as they're similar to Luts. Torsos are completely different.
But the hands are pretty much identical. See for yourself:

Soom Girl Body

Soom Dillui Alice in the Labyrinth (lots of hand shots)

Angel Of Dream Girl Body
(same link as above post)

Arms look rather Soom-ish to me as well...just modified to have the extra joint piece.

Just for comparison, here's links to the boy bodies as well:

Soom

Angel Of Dream

ETA: Tosses Lati Red Line Boy arms into it, just for the heck of it, since they have that extra joint piece.

 

I didn't post the pictures.

I agree on the hands, at the least quite similar.


As for the boy body, it looks nothing like the Soom body. I know what my skinny pretty boy's body looks like. Hands are dissimilar as well.

It's unfortunate when this happens, yes?

~Anrui

 

I see that the *new Ming is now listed on eBay at the Buy-it-Now price of $275.......any takers?

Here's the link
http://cgi.ebay.com/AOD-1-3-MING-supper-dollfie-BJD-FREE-FACE-UP_W0QQitemZ130113099948QQihZ003QQcategoryZ84635QQcmdZViewItem