1. It has come to the attention of forum staff that Dollshe Craft has ceased communications with dealers and customers, has failed to provide promised refunds for the excessive waits, and now has wait times surpassing 5 years in some cases. Forum staff are also concerned as there are claims being put forth that Dollshe plans to close down their doll making company. Due to the instability of the company, the lack of communication, the lack of promised refunds, and the wait times now surpassing 5 years, we strongly urge members to research the current state of this company very carefully and thoroughly before deciding to place an order. For more information please see the Dollshe waiting room. Do not assume this cannot happen to you or that your order will be different.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Dollshe Craft and all dolls created by Dollshe, including any dolls created under his new or future companies, including Club Coco BJD are now banned from Den of Angels. Dollshe and the sculptor may not advertise his products on this forum. Sales may not be discussed, no news threads may be posted regarding new releases. This ban does not impact any dolls by Dollshe ordered by November 8, 2023. Any dolls ordered after November 8, 2023, regardless of the date the sculpt was released, are banned from this forum as are any dolls released under his new or future companies including but not limited to Club Coco BJD. This ban does not apply to other company dolls cast by Dollshe as part of a casting agreement between him and the actual sculpt or company and those dolls may still be discussed on the forum. Please come to Ask the Moderators if you have any questions.
    Dismiss Notice

Is it 'OKAY' to PM an Owner about Selling a doll they had NO intention to sell?

Aug 2, 2007

    1. I agree with lajvIo. Though I don't think I would ever do something like this - but if I ever did ;that is how I'd go about it.
      I don't think it's offensive but I do feel it is a little odd. :)
       
    2. Just from the view of it being against the TOS, then I think it's wrong. Especially if you are aware the person doesn't WANT to sell the doll. Morally and TOS aside, it never hurts to ask as long as the tone is appropriate and you take 'no' for an answer. For instance, 'I really love such and such doll and cannot find her/him. If you ever would be open to parting with her, please keep me in mind.' As opposed to, 'your doll is cool. Sell her to me. Now.' No. 'Please' NO. 'How about now?' NO NO NO.
       
    3. You are officially now my hero.
       
    4. well uh... I'd never do that. And I don't think this is ok.
      It's ok for me to ask where does the doll comes from, but nothing more.

      I mean, people buy a doll, spend money nad love in it, and I'm sure no one would sell sucha precious.
       
    5. Well I think it is wrong to actually pm a person asking them to sell you their doll they have absolutely no inclination to sell, I would be upset if anyone would do that to me.

      but I do think its goor to ask people what mold of doll their lovely doll is so you can look up the doll and maybe even buy it yourself. that is after all how I got my beloved boy Haplo my Dollshe saint, by pm'ing someone who's owner picture made me fall in love with the sculpt
       
    6. If someone sent me a pm and it was worded nicely- not a direct offer but a sort of 'in the future . . .' kind of thing, then I wouldn't be quite so mad. It might even make me laugh and feel flattered a bit, if someone had expressed a love for one of my dolls so much that they were really interested in having him as their own. But even so, it's not something I could possibly encourage and I would probably be more than slightly insulted at the same time. Yeah, a regular jumble of feelings there. (depending on my mood when I read the pm, probably. xD) I would just politely reply back and say . . . 'I'm honoured that you like my doll so much, but no.'

      In terms of politeness, I don't think it's really fair. I would never do it myself. I think it's alright to ask what sculpt a doll is or where the wig/clothing/eyes came from etc, but it's not right to ask for what someone has obviously spent a lot of time and effort on to make their own. Yeah, that's my thoughts. ^^;
       
    7. I wouldn't do this. For some people dolls are really precious so to ask them to sell a doll the same as to ask to sell a child. That's bad.
       
    8. I don't think it is wrong to ask. You could always say NO. I would feel
      flattered if someone offered to buy and knowing I could sell him if I needed
      the funds would be comforting.
       
    9. Its fine as long as you ask nicely and step back if the owner says no, going *sell it* *sell it* *SELL IT!* is wrong D:
      and mean. And no one likes mean people. :P
      Dolls are very precious to there owners and shouldn't be made to feel as if someones trying to seperate them unwillingly. ^^
       
    10. i got a pm offering to buy one of my dolls once... it was a little flattering *but not THAT flattering because he's a sought-after limited anyway* but i was also kind of irked. if i wanted to sell my dolls, they'd be in the marketplace. i mean... duh.

      i could never have the nerve to ask a stranger to sell me one of their bjds...
       
    11. I think it would be flattering (unless you have a limited I think) because some people's dolls have unique face-ups and a personality to match. I won't lie,there are a few dolls on here that I would love to own because their owners make them look nice and very appealing to a possible sculpt that I usually dislike and I would like to own that one doll.
      I never asked though!
      I think it's rude. If that person isn't selling their doll then there is no reason to even ask. Honestly,I think sometimes it's ridiculous if someone asks for your doll which isn't limited.
      That's my view on it. I think it's rude but it could possibly be flattering if someone likes your doll that much.
      (them persisting on owning your doll is another matter :/ )
       
    12. Personally, I think it's rather rude to PM an owner about a doll they have no intention of selling. People have mentioned being flattered if a person says it nicely as a more of 'in the future' kind of thing, and I agree there might be a level of flattery associated with that, but to me, asking someone to sell you a doll straight up that you have no intention of selling is like that one person at your garage sale that points out random items and asks 'how much for this?'
       
    13. personally if someone asked to buy my BJD i would be a little offended

      i mean thats like somone asking me in the street if they could purchase my mum a as slave:sweat

      I think if someone even had a slight will to sell there doll they would officially announce it
      so personally i think its wrong put me in that situation for example if i see a to die for dollfie on a gallery i just ponder it for ages and maybe even ask them the type

      but i would'nt say straight out about buying it from them even if it was one of a kind:D

      I guess some people would politely reply no sorry i wont be anytimesoon

      besides the chance of someone saying hmmm as your offerign i think i will sell him so whats the point:lol:
       
    14. despite the fact I tend to live by the phrase ' nothing ventured nothing gained' I think the point where we all start to get annoyed is the begging and the whining to sell. with the right phrasing asking to be kept in mind if the person does eventually sell can come off as a compliment.

      if its left at that.

      going pass that its annoying and childish. but we live in a materialistic world where if offered the right incentive people will (and have) sold just about everything and anything. so if someone was after one of mine yes first impression is flattery no matter how badly written it still means you have presented your doll in a positive light that inspires envy and desire. continued pestering puts them on the block list or warrants a restraining order.
       
    15. As a Noobie I have to say this. People new to BJD (such as myself) are very intriged by everyones dolls. I imagine everyone can relate to the first time they saw a doll that made them want to whip out their checkbook(okay cc) I think we are so excited by what we see we want it. Especially the limited dolls. I love Love LOVE Roweena23 vampire couple. They are to die for. They are a limited edition of 1. Thats it. No more. Can't have them. I have never asked to buy anyones dolls. But if she offered me them tomorrow (providing I could afford them, I can't) I would buy them in a second. I am new so I have not yet gotten access to the market place. But I am glad I saw this post, I did't remember reading that rule. But again maybe its because I don't have access yet.:D
       
    16. I think it is rude to just up an ask someone if they would sell you their doll. For one thing, the asker has no knowledge if the doll was given to the owner by someone very close to them. If I was ever asked if I wanted to sell my doll, my response would be "Thank you for the offer but no. If you are interested in this model of doll, here's where I got her," and send them to the site I got the doll from.

      I've had people randomly ask me to sell them some of my costume items and my response was the same.
       

    17. That was -so- excellent!

      I could never, ever ever ever EVER imagine doing this to someone, asking them for their doll that is.

      I mean, sure, I love a lot of dolls, but I wouldn't go running off to try to buy them off people.
      And I know, even if I did really want the doll, I could recognize the sculpt and just get one of my own, with my own tastes on it.
      But I think something that makes you fall in love with a doll is it's personalities and the exact look they have.
      An example, I love love love onna's Shindo and Chikara dolls.
      I love their personalities and look, totally in love with them.:aheartbea
      But would I ever do this?
      :o god no! I think it's insulting to even offer.

      I would be insulted (when they arrive) if people offered to buy my dolls.

      I can see the flattery part of it, but honestly..
      I think it's shameful that you would do that.

      Sure, they're just a doll to some people, and that might be why they want them, with a price always on their head...

      But I think to others, they're real to a sense, perhaps not with a soul, but a character, a personality in your mind, and you've bonded to them. Sentimental value, sort of one of those mastercard commercials
      "Loving a 600$ doll? Priceless"
       
    18. I agree with SakuraLee

      Really, and honestly, I don't see much wrong with it. As an owner, you have no obligation to say yes, no, or even reply. I'm sure, especially with rare collectors, that a lot people have gotten their dolls by approaching people who had no intentions of selling a doll, and setting a price.

      Now, if an owner says no (without hint of a higher price), or doesn't reply, then it's ethically wrong to keep PMing or emailing or whatever.
       
    19. lol!!! thats the funniest thing ever!!!! :XD:!!!!! I really hate when that happens.... (though i've never faced things like that but hope not)

      great way to punish such a rudeness :kitty2 :XD:!!!!
       
    20. I've never experianced it with dolls (mine's not even here) but I remember about a year or two back, at a high school art exhibition, a scuplture of mine was on the main display. Now, this being an exam peice, and my first bit of work, I had no intention of giving it up.

      I had a guy come up to me and offer to buy it for however exhorberant amount he offered :sweat It was flattering to think someone thought that much of my creation, but I felt slightly defensive aswell.

      Ranting aside, I think this translates into dolls- people spend so much time making them personal artworks, it can dig quite deep when someone out-of-the-blue asks to buy it.